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[MadcatX]

Devari, on 22 December 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

Naskoni, they are doing exactly the same thing with the clan packages. They are showing concept art and using that to get people to make impulsive purchases, because it worked for them two times already. The difference is that now we have no reason to believe we will get the game they promised us because they have NOT EVEN BEEN DOING THE WORK on that game.

I don't think anyone can really compare a founders/phoenix purchase to a clan package purchase at this point. It is the difference between trusting someone BEFORE you learned that they outright lied to you about work they were doing and continuing to trust them AFTER you learn the truth.

This is indeed about trust. But why did you trust PGI for so long I suppose is the question at hand? Trust, at least from my perspective, is earned, not given. There are some developers out there who've earned the trust of their fanbase based on the quality of their previous products.

PGI was a gamble. I never heard of them before, and they didn't have as much experience in the industry. But it was MechWarrior, of course I was going to give some cash to see this happen.

By the time Project Phoenix came around, PGI had yet to earn my trust. I do enjoy the game play, but not enough to give more money yet, so I decided to wait and take the c-bill route.

After all this discussion, it's rare that something on the forums actually changes my mind. I came into this thread pissed off at both PGI and then the folks who bought PP because I had a feeling PGI would make a clan bundle sooner then working on the other stuff because of how much money PP came in, although I had anticipated maybe next spring, not setting a date this early. But now I feel bad for the folks who did purchase the first bundle because although I didn't trust PGI, some folks just really wanted this game to pan out. And yea, this new package is a bit of a slap in the face, for me mainly because this means PGI is going to spend a good part of next year implementing omnitech, attempting to balance it, etc.

But I can't join N.O.P.E., because I didn't get the chance to buy the classy Urbanmech last Christmas.... I am still a fanboy after all lol.

[Chronojam]

Whatzituyah, on 22 December 2013 - 03:12 PM, said:

That explains why this mech cant be used
Its already bad enough that a Jagermech can carry 2 ac 20s imagine how many a 100 ton Assault can carry?
Link here to the Anihilator for your reference.

If you thought 2PPC1Gauss was bad, imagine 3Gauss1PPC

[Whatzituyah]

Chronojam, on 22 December 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

If you thought 2PPC1Gauss was bad, imagine 3Gauss1PPC

I thought that could already be pulled off. http://mwo.smurfy-ne...87f2cf6b8fe4e86

[AntharPrime]

Chronojam, on 22 December 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

If you thought 2PPC1Gauss was bad, imagine 3Gauss1PPC

The ANH-1G's has that exact loadout, now imagine the Annihilator C with 4 AutoCannon 10's.

[NRP]

LOL, I just bought a gold Dire Wolf!

[Squire]

im wondering if it would be possible to have a hard copy of the signed digital copy art. so i can hang it up on my wall at home

[Devari]

Well like I said MadcatX, when we were buying founders and then phoenix packages the game was still in beta. We couldn't reasonably expect a fully-working, polished game at the time, but we were told that by the end of 2013 we would have one. Not only did they not deliver on that, we recently learned they weren't even working on ANY of the core game features over the past year.

There is just no comparison between trusting a company that we believe is actually doing work, and will show us the results within 90 days, and trusting a company who has just told us "hey, we didn't actually do any of this work, could each of you give us $240 and another year?"

I mean, it is just night and day difference. I trusted PGI through founders and phoenix, not because they had "earned" anything but because up until recently the timeline seemed reasonable and we were told they were making progress with the money we had given them. Although I don't agree with ghost heat or 3PV as game decisions, these issues are simply NOT the same as telling us they did not even TRY to make core game features that we paid them for over a year ago. It is the difference between getting something that you might not agree with vs. getting NOTHING at all.

To put money into the game at this point is absolute lunacy. At this point only an irresponsible child who needs to feed their narcissistic addiction would LITERALLY throw away their money for the delusion that they will get a digital toy robot to use year from now. No adult would ever consider putting more money into this, no matter how much of a diehard fan, because PGI has LITERALLY stolen our money from the first two cash grabs. And I don't know any adult who actually has to work for a living, pay bills, etc., who is OK with having their money stolen.

Edited by Devari, 22 December 2013 - 07:32 PM.

[Airborne Thunder]

I would like to know if the Gold Mechs aside from the paint job are going to receive any other added bonus. I am afraid that the "unique bonus module" is going to cross the "pay 2 win" line. I hope they don't go doing something like giving all the Gold Mechs an ECM or something. Also, with the addition of the “Custom Title” with this package are they really going to give Founders, Phoenix Package and now the Clan Collection another title to display? That is going to be one long title after a while. Maybe we can pick our favorite 2 or something.

[Ubermunkey]

I admit,that I stated previously that the Gold mech costs were a bit preposterous. And the changes that PGI has instituted since then have, in my humblest of opinions, been very fair. Including the masakari pack into gold mech purchases was an obvious option and I'm glad they added it. Putting the mechs into the mix 'ala carte' also makes it easier to get JUST the mechs you want, without all the extra hassles. However, you might not get the additional horns, modules, tags, etc etc even if you get the max of 6 mechs ala carte.

But, I still can't help but see page, after page, after page of almost silly amounts of vitriol aimed at PGI. I admit, they've not followed through on some of their promises/projected additions to the game. It strikes me, however, that there is one all to simple reason why they keep putting these packages up for us. Simply, they sell, and they have those all important software engineers and programmers to pay. Without those, there won't be a UI 2.0 nor CW or any other addition to the game. In the Command Chair, Bullock stated just how the employees working on MWO were allocated. And that group that's assigned to work on the UI and CW projects? They have to also work on keeping the existing game running as well. I can imagine the riots and flames on these boards if the game had even WORSE issues that made the game unplayable.

Admittedly, I don't play the game as often as I did, or as often as I should to make investing in these packages worth my investments. But ultimately, that's what buying the masakari package will be. Another investment in a company that is doing a pretty good job converting a set of tabletop rules, lore, and statistics, into a real time first person shooter. And to keep it running and profitable, they need to release the monthly new mech. Be it Heroic, a Champion, or a brand new design. And if they have to use MC to get the new designs out the door first, that's just another sign that they need US to keep the servers running, the engineers paid, and the devs scripting. Besides, the package 'inflation' of MC per mech isn't all that bad when I take into account that these are going to be ******* clan mechs. And even if PGI nerfs the clan tech down to just a little better than IS tech? It'll still be worth the price of admission.

[Ryoken]

Airborne Thunder, on 22 December 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

I would like to know if the Gold Mechs aside from the paint job are going to receive any other added bonus. I am afraid that the "unique bonus module" is going to cross the "pay 2 win" line. I hope they don't go doing something like giving all the Gold Mechs an ECM or something. Also, with the addition of the “Custom Title” with this package are they really going to give Founders, Phoenix Package and now the Clan Collection another title to display? That is going to be one long title after a while. Maybe we can pick our favorite 2 or something.

You do realise that those "unique bonus modules" are also part of the Masakari and MadCat bundle? So I hardly doubt these will be overpowered as there will be lots of those modules around. And what did fuel your fantasy of gold mechs getting any super powers? Aside from the golden skin they are just 30% credit boost like the other packaged prima variants.Also your signature makes you look jealous, envious and childish.So instead of making things up and QQ, why don't people here grow up and show some more patience.

[Devari]

Ubermensch, the "vitrol" you're seeing is the result of customers PAYING for a product that not only WAS NOT DELIVERED, but a product that PGI has NOT EVEN BEEEN WORKING ON over the past two years. For some reason they have managed to convince you that they are somehow entitled to your money, even if they don't deliver the product you paid them for.

Last time I checked, giving someone money BEFORE they earn it is either called a loan or an investment. I'm pretty sure we didn't LOAN the money from our founders or phoenix packages because I'm not a bank and don't receive interest. So we made an investment in the game, and when you invest in something on the basis of someone's promises you expect to see results. It would be like investing in a restaurant, only to find all they have been doing is hiring a chef to design a menu, when they told us they would be buying a restaurant and furnishing it with tables, a kitchen, staffing, etc.

Basically they have been using the MWO playerbase as way to get a 0% interest LOAN that they could DEFAULT on without consequences. Because an ACTUAL loan would have cost them money in interest payments and required repayment. What they have done is gotten the MWO community to pay for 50 people's salaries for the past two years, WITHOUT THEM DOING THE WORK they promised they would do.

Usually it works the other way around. You have to ACTUALLY PRODUCE A PRODUCT before you can sell it to people. PGI has discovered another way of making money by PROMISING a product without delivering it, and it amazes me that some people are still deluding themselves into believing that we will suddenly start getting results by giving them more money.

Edited by Devari, 22 December 2013 - 09:18 PM.

[Airborne Thunder]

Ryoken, on 22 December 2013 - 09:04 PM, said:

You do realise that those "unique bonus modules" are also part of the Masakari and MadCat bundle? So I hardly doubt these will be overpowered as there will be lots of those modules around. And what did fuel your fantasy of gold mechs getting any super powers? Aside from the golden skin they are just 30% credit boost like the other packaged prima variants.Also your signature makes you look jealous, envious and childish.So instead of making things up and QQ, why don't people here grow up and show some more patience.

[Ubermunkey]

Funny thing, they actually have produced a product. Yes it is the mechs that they sell, but that is still a product I know I've forked over for. So it's less of a loan as it were, and more like the pre-orders that they are listed as. I'm sure a large amount of the MWO player base has pre-ordered this and that, Whether it's a new game, console, or widget. When I put money down on the Phoenix package, I was less interested in the other features they were offering as much as I was interested in the new and shiny mechs. The same goes with purchasing the clan mechs. I will put money down on the clan packages (when I can) because I'm looking forward to those shiny new toys as well. It's a digital thing anyways...not like I can take it out for a walk and crush a few cars.

[Devari]

Ubermensch, they did NOT advertise a 12 v 12 mech sandobx. NO ONE would be stupid enough to pay $230 on pre-orders for that. What we have gotten for the hundreds of dollars we've spent per founder/phoenix package purchaser is LESS than what we got for $50 purchasing games like MW3 and MW4. They advertised a fully-developed MMO that occurs in REAL TIME in reaction to the clan invasion, where you FIGHT OVER TERRITORY, change TERRITORY MAPS and have a fully immersive experience. What the gave us is a 12 v 12 sandbox. They just told us they did NOT EVEN WORK on those core features because they DID NOT EVEN HAVE THE LICENCE beyond mid-2015. They COULD NOT POSSIBLY provide what they promised us at the time, and they KNEW IT. There is just NO WAY to compare what they have promised to what they have given us. If you can't see why people are angry about being cheated out of the money they gave PGI to develop this game, well, then enjoy your clan package. Just realize that you helped pay 50 people to sit in front of their computers for 2 years to give you gold-colored concept art that they could try to sell for $500 instead of the game they were supposed to be working on.

[Little Nemo]

Had the top teir been around the $150 price point, I would have bought in. I've spend more money on this game than any in the past, but just can't justify the price these days.

[Sandpit]

Skinny Pete, on 23 December 2013 - 01:41 AM, said:

Had the top teir been around the $150 price point, I would have bought in. I've spend more money on this game than any in the past, but just can't justify the price these days.

lol I'm sure you would have. 24 mechs for $150? That's $6.25/mech

Come on guys, stop using the price point as a justification hoping to convince PGI to drop the prices. The price point is great. It's a great deal honestly. It's $10/mech.
Now justifying the price at this time? Nope, can't do it. Not because of the price itself though
No CW
No UI2.0
No specifications on clan tech and mechs
No lobbies
No voip
No easy way to group with buddies in my unit
No communication from devs (although this seems to be changing)
No weekly, monthly, or even just regular events

[iamunkle]

how much money has PGI actualy made?

SC has made what, 36 mill?

and has this list of stuff they're releasing with each unlock, and their plans an progress



and all before release?


can PGI do somehting similar?
id like to know how much they've made =P

[Shadowsword8]

Imperius, on 23 December 2013 - 01:10 AM, said:

As you can see the mouth breather quoted below your quote is the kind of {Scrap} that pissed me off. No matter. I'll get my Omega, cause I'm not boycotting the game. I hope the closed minded players like him leave the game. All they do is riot, boycott, and cry like man babies. Scum of scum. Sadly Paul protected these people once, I'm glad he learned who they were. Sad at the same time.

Roland is far from smart himself for giving you just the kind of post you can use to justify your own misguided view. I also notice that you ignored a lot of reasonable posts to choose just this one.

Still, here's a few things you should ponder:

1/ How can the Omega not break the game? We're speaking about something that can fit 5 AC20 or 5 Gauss, and won't be much slower than an assault, while PGI has been carefull to avoid releasing an assault able to use 2 AC20 or 2 Gauss so far...

2/ Considering point 1, do you really think PGI will ever introduce the Omega? It doesn't matter even if you throw 5k or 10k at them. Huge OP BFR armors broke the first Planetside's back, and this example is still vivid in many player's memories.

3/ A single player campaign would cost PGI a signifiant amount, while not bringing them much additional money, since the incentive to buy things for MC instead of grinding is low when removed from a competitive context. So don't their "maybe in the future" sound kinda empty to you? Don't hold your breath waiting for it, anoxia is a miserable way to go.

[Ensaine]

Now they want money for PUG matches ......

http://mwomercs.com/...tches-feedback/

Another staged post to imply that PGI is 'engaging the community', or terribad idea?

[Chronojam]

Sandpit, on 23 December 2013 - 01:58 AM, said:

lol I'm sure you would have. 24 mechs for $150? That's $6.25/mech

Come on guys, stop using the price point as a justification hoping to convince PGI to drop the prices. The price point is great. It's a great deal honestly. It's $10/mech.
Now justifying the price at this time? Nope, can't do it. Not because of the price itself though
No CW
No UI2.0
No specifications on clan tech and mechs
No lobbies
No voip
No easy way to group with buddies in my unit
No communication from devs (although this seems to be changing)
No weekly, monthly, or even just regular events

"No communication from the devs" only seems to be changing ever in direct response to the forums bursting into flames -- for example, over third person. Much like "aggressive weapon balance" that only was claimed when the forums burst into flames. Russ hadn't even logged into the forums since October, until this recent brushfire.

Hell, we don't even have Ask The Devs anymore because they're working on this superior video system that simply hasn't happened.