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[Imperius]

Shadowsword8, on 23 December 2013 - 02:32 AM, said:

Roland is far from smart himself for giving you just the kind of post you can use to justify your own misguided view. I also notice that you ignored a lot of reasonable posts to choose just this one.

Still, here's a few things you should ponder:

1/ How can the Omega not break the game? We're speaking about something that can fit 5 AC20 or 5 Gauss, and won't be much slower than an assault, while PGI has been carefull to avoid releasing an assault able to use 2 AC20 or 2 Gauss so far...

2/ Considering point 1, do you really think PGI will ever introduce the Omega? It doesn't matter even if you throw 5k or 10k at them. Huge OP BFR armors broke the first Planetside's back, and this example is still vivid in many player's memories.

3/ A single player campaign would cost PGI a signifiant amount, while not bringing them much additional money, since the incentive to buy things for MC instead of grinding is low when removed from a competitive context. So don't their "maybe in the future" sound kinda empty to you? Don't hold your breath waiting for it, anoxia is a miserable way to go.

Who said it had to have all that I like how it looks! Make 100 ton for all I care and nerf it to the ground... I like how it looks!

Single player could give them tons of ways to sell MC. You must fave never heard of DLC and Cosmteic Items. They could even sale missions if they set up the single player correctly.

Open your mind before your mouth you're starting to sound like Roland

Edited by Imperius, 23 December 2013 - 07:42 AM.

[Rodrigo Martinez]

The clan packs pricing is really weird and even can be taken as insulting. It's even more insulting how pgi/igp treat their players. I bough the overlord package to support this game. I wasn't playing in closed beta and so I had no possibility to buy the founders package. I have bought the overlord package instead. To support the game only.

From all those packages maybe battlemaster and shadowhawk can draw my attention as battlemechs. Would I have bought those mechs as hero versions? Highly unlikely. I should state, that I hate the scheme "1 mech per month for c-bills" but these mechs are already here. In my view all mechs should be released in 1 month for c-bills. But pgi/igq decided to simulate content addition every month. Look guys how hard we work - every month you get new battlemech!And this thing with the licence prolongation.

And then only after few days of closing PP sales I see another package. 240$(500$) for the best pack and 6+ month of waiting. Both numbers looks insulting for me. 6 month in modern times means a lot of future changes. A lot of things can change in RL in this time frame. 240$(500$) is a big summ for promises. Also I don't understand how it works. Ok, I pay 240$(500$) now for my shinny clan mechs. I have no idea now what I will get in future, just model names and numbers of models. What if what I think I'm getting will not be what I'll actually get? What if I'll get something that I don't actually want? Say, I wanted Warhawk E, F and H - but got only A, B, C. Will I get any refund? I doubt it. May be they'll add details later, but right now they are selling a pig in a poke.

My friends, who don't know BT, don't play the game with me despite me trying to introduce them to it. There are plenty of MMOs which took their attention, which they've tried and played, but MWO isn't one of them. I'd say, that MWO mostly based on BT fans.

Maybe I should mention UI2.0, CW and DX11, MM and number of people in 12vs12. To say shortly - there is nothing to do in the game now. 2(now 3) almost similar game modes and the game progress is just getting experience to unlock some proficiencies which are similar for every mech. I haven't even mastered all my PP mechs cuz playing the game was boring for me in august.

Introduction of these Clan packs before any major expansion makes me lose any hope in this game. If it's a blatant moneygrab, or if it's a forced move out of necessity to get more funding - I don't care anymore. I can certainly say that it's not the right way to sell something to the players, though.

[Blurry]

Sandpit, on 23 December 2013 - 01:58 AM, said:

lol I'm sure you would have. 24 mechs for $150? That's $6.25/mech

Come on guys, stop using the price point as a justification hoping to convince PGI to drop the prices. The price point is great. It's a great deal honestly. It's $10/mech.
Now justifying the price at this time? Nope, can't do it. Not because of the price itself though
No CW
No UI2.0
No specifications on clan tech and mechs
No lobbies
No voip
No easy way to group with buddies in my unit
No communication from devs (although this seems to be changing)
No weekly, monthly, or even just regular events

of which maybe 2 wont be gimped and worth using - sorry 120 per mech is too much.
He had it right.6 bucks/per mech for a package of mechs of which maybe just maybe 2 will be worth using and arent walking death traps and insta kills for the other team.
This is PGI!
Then add on what you said........

That is some true perspective for you. all those mechs I bet 2 right only 2 will be useful and usable - PGI gimp everything in order to sell champ mechs.
Look at their history it shows it all. - out of the PP - shadows were good.

[Canadian Attack Beaver]

Sandpit, on 23 December 2013 - 01:58 AM, said:

lol I'm sure you would have. 24 mechs for $150? That's $6.25/mech

Come on guys, stop using the price point as a justification hoping to convince PGI to drop the prices. The price point is great. It's a great deal honestly. It's $10/mech.

A great deal? Are you serious? Phoenix mechs were $6.66 a mech; Sabre mechs were $5.00 a mech. So now, for $10 a mech we get Clan technology which is being balanced according to what we have now. We get XL engines in these Clan mechs that are hardwired to the chassis.

I agree with everything else you wrote, but defending the $10 per mech price is asinine given you have to buy 6 mechs or one of the original packages to even get that price.

Edited by Canadian Attack Beaver, 23 December 2013 - 09:38 AM.

[Imperius]

NRP, on 22 December 2013 - 06:22 PM, said:

LOL, I just bought a gold Dire Wolf!

I was torn between the Gold Timberwolf or the Gold Dire Wolf, but I've always just loved the Timberwolf since I first laid eyes on it. Glad to see another supporter now you and me can join up and do 2/10 battles since people claim to kill gold mechs.

[Lupus Aurelius]

People, be sensible...

Clan mechs:
-No variants announced and defined
-No hardpoint and configurations announced and defined

Clan Tech:
-No firm definition as to Clan tech functionality
-No announcement of what Clan tech is being relaseased

Right now all there is is artwork, nothing more.

Added to that is the fact that we still are missing 90% of the functionality we were promised over a year ago, and, as well, we have had several "proposed release" dates for these in the past.

PGI has now given yet another "committed" completion date for those features, but as of yet we have not gotten to those dates and seen PGI actually follow thru on those "commitments"

Also, the al-la-carte prices are exorbitant, the packages themselves almost 1.5 times more expensive than the Phoenix packages, for mechs that per PGI are not going to be substantially better than IS mechs. (wonder what they are going to charge for IS omnimechs if they ever are released)

People should not be considering spending any money on these until:

• - We know what we are buying
  
• - PGI actually delivers on the latest set of feature release "commitments".

6.5 million years of hominid evolution to evolve a cognitive consciousness, please honor those past generations by actually using it...


PS- I was in closed beta, so I actually knew the functionality of the mechs before I bought a Founders package. When the Misery came out, they announced it's config, and I bought it. When the Phoenix mechs were released, I waited until the mech versions were announced before buying it. Don't spend your money until you know what you are buying, otherwise, you are just setting yourselves up for disappointment.

Edited by Lupus Aurelius, 23 December 2013 - 10:31 AM.

[Zerstorer Stallin]

iamunkle, on 23 December 2013 - 02:17 AM, said:

how much money has PGI actualy made?

SC has made what, 36 mill?

and has this list of stuff they're releasing with each unlock, and their plans an progress



and all before release?


can PGI do somehting similar?
id like to know how much they've made =P

Even if they tell you how much they have "made" it wont take into account how much money that went to other games. Yeah thats right money for MWO has been shipped off to make OTHER games. So thanks for spending money on that game...

[Molossian Dog]

I am with you Lupus Aurelius, but...

Lupus Aurelius, on 23 December 2013 - 10:25 AM, said:

...
Right now all there is is artwork, nothing more.
...

Not quite. There is also the thrill of antisocial behaviour. You know rubbing your gold Mech purchase in the faces of your fellow players. Post an "eating popcorn" GIF. Revel in people´s anger. Call them envious. Others spend thousands of dollars for fancy cars for the same purpose.

Speak about target audience.

Just wait until we see what a splendid griefing tool the warhorns are going to be.

Edited by Molossian Dog, 23 December 2013 - 11:14 AM.

[Whatzituyah]

Whatzituyah, on 22 December 2013 - 03:12 PM, said:

That explains why this mech cant be used
Its already bad enough that a Jagermech can carry 2 ac 20s imagine how many a 100 ton Assault can carry?
Link here to the Anihilator for your reference.

I am reqouting this because of the exact reason that were talking about Omega still this mech can carry 2 ac 20s but look at its speed it is already nerfed to the ground lol.

[NRP]

Airborne Thunder, on 22 December 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

I would like to know if the Gold Mechs aside from the paint job are going to receive any other added bonus. I am afraid that the "unique bonus module" is going to cross the "pay 2 win" line. I hope they don't go doing something like giving all the Gold Mechs an ECM or something. Also, with the addition of the “Custom Title” with this package are they really going to give Founders, Phoenix Package and now the Clan Collection another title to display? That is going to be one long title after a while. Maybe we can pick our favorite 2 or something.

At this point, I just hope the gold bonus module gives immunity from friendly fire. "Pay to stay alive until first enemy contact", if you like.

[Airborne Thunder]

Ensaine, on 23 December 2013 - 02:44 AM, said:

Now they want money for PUG matches ......

http://mwomercs.com/...tches-feedback/

Another staged post to imply that PGI is 'engaging the community', or terribad idea?

[CharlieBoy]

So if I read the FAQ correctly, if I purchase a certain tier I can upgrade to another tier. Kind of like layaway? If so then maybe I won't need to a la carte?

[mualmoli]

So much talk about tier 3 tier 2 food. Throw some spaghetti in the pot and toss those carrots and iceburg lettuce leaves then you should be able to brave the outdoors.

[Ritter Prinz Eugen]

Sorry, but I started to play MWO only before a short period of time. Maybe someone can help me to figure something out. I spent now 3 hours of reading in the threads, to try to understand what is going on.

Why they don`t working on the community warfare module everyone in this community wants? Why do they waste there time on development for Features that everyone in the community hates?

Every brain healthy human being would stop every useless Feature (also new mech types) and work full concentrated on the really important community warfare module. Why they don`t do this?

Thank you a lot. And I can understand now all the frustrated, disappointed and angry People here. Waiting 2 years for nearly nothing is not ok. And than to hear that it take 8 month again, because the Focus is now on clan mechs, is not acceptable.

[Devari]

Ritter, I"ll break it down for you.

1. It takes them a trivial amount of time to create concept art or reskin a new mech. They then charge $30 for this new mech (or simply the PROMISE of a new mech 6 months from now).

2. It takes a substantial amount of time actually developing a game with features that people will actually want to play and are willing to pay for, such as the persistent, real-time, territory-based MMO they told us they were making two years ago. Now, in almost any other profession, you need to make a useful product FIRST before you start selling it to people to make money. However, PGI has decided to SKIP this part, because they have figured out they can get literally HUNDREDS of dollars out of each player by strategy #1 without even TRYING to make strategy #2 work.

This is why they have 20 people on their team working on task #1 and some small undefined fraction of their 18 remaining people "trying" to accomplish #2. As if that weren't bad enough, it turns out it's even WORSE than that. They literally told us last week that they did not even have the licence beyond mid-2015 until recently and because of this they felt they could not "justify" putting resources into objective #2. Nevermind that they already charged founders up to $120 and phoenix purchasers up to $110 to actually make a game that is worth playing. Also nevermind that they told us this game would be in working form before the end of 2013. Apparently those claims are unimportant now that they have taken your money and spent it on other things. They figure that simply producing a mech animation and skin, and letting you fight other mechs on a map, is enough to justify the money they took from you.

Now they want more of your money. Preferably $240 per person for the full clan package, or maybe even $500 for a gold colored mech if you're feeling particularly narcissistic today. Apparently the small fraction of people who are supposed to accomplish task #2, if they are even working on this at all, are supposed to have a working game for us a full year from now.

It is a scam. They are selling you digital toy robots to smash around in a 12 v 12 sandbox and are betting that there are still enough fans stupid enough to pay them HUNDREDS of dollars for this privilege.

If mechwarrior did not have a history spanning 30 years with four major successful computer games they quite simply could not even try this. It is simply through brand recognition that this even becomes possible, because there are enough adults who were fans of battletech for decades who can be scammed out of hundreds of dollars with empty promises and a barely-functional mech sandbox.

Unfortunately, when a company can make large amounts of money without doing the work they are being paid to do, this is what we get.

Edited by Devari, 23 December 2013 - 06:00 PM.

[Shadowdusk]

these high prices for digital items are not going to get players back... quite the opposite.

Rizzwind, on 13 December 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

ha ha ha hahhahahhahhah. 40 a mech. I see last ditch effort to get players back.

[-Skyrider-]

BEFORE THERE IS MORE COMPLAINTS PGI HAS UPDATED THIER SALES PITCH CHECK IT OUT!

[RG Notch]

Skyrider1746, on 23 December 2013 - 05:59 PM, said:

BEFORE THERE IS MORE COMPLAINTS PGI HAS UPDATED THIER SALES PITCH CHECK IT OUT!

AND THIS NEW SALES PITCH IS GONNA TO MAKE CW GET HERE FASTER?

[Devari]

I'm confused now, because I was looking for a update with a N.O.P.E. tier costing $0 that gets me community warfare? Because I already put $230 to get CW and I don't see it anywhere.

[Lupus Aurelius]

Skyrider1746, on 23 December 2013 - 05:59 PM, said:

BEFORE THERE IS MORE COMPLAINTS PGI HAS UPDATED THIER SALES PITCH CHECK IT OUT!

Devari, on 23 December 2013 - 06:09 PM, said:

I'm confused now, because I was looking for a update with a N.O.P.E. tier costing $0 that gets me community warfare? Because I already put $230 to get CW and I don't see it anywhere.

I'm confused, because I looked at the page and I do not see anything different than this morning: http://www.mwomercs.com/clans

Edited by Lupus Aurelius, 23 December 2013 - 06:13 PM.