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[Canadian Attack Beaver]

RG Notch, on 14 January 2014 - 05:33 AM, said:

You do realize this is PGI, you've neglected the third option. The Clan mechs start out as OP and P2W to sell Clan packs and because they have no idea how to balance and then after enough complaints they nerf them to worthless and then have to deal with selling them at high prices despite this.
Basically, they have painted themselves into a corner by selling them at higher prices yet claiming they won't obsolete IS mechs. Based on their proven ability or should I say inability to balance current mechs and weapons I expect more bumbling.

Ha! That's very true. I assumed a basic level of competency when I highlighted the two potential outcomes to the Clan mech launch.

Shadowsword8, on 13 January 2014 - 10:09 PM, said:

I suspect they'll go with the first outcome, because it also carry some of the benefits (for them, not the players) of the second outcome as well.

Even after clan mechs become alaivable for C-bills, if they're more powerfull than IS mechs while costing, like, twice as much, they'll still have created a situation where everything the players bought so far become non-competitive (so they need to start over forking money), while increasing the grind to get things without using MC, thus making the credit card option more attractive. Of course, they'll try to keep up the image of being attached to balance...

People won't abide a Pay-2-Win game; they will leave in droves. And then it's game over MWO.

[p8ragon]

hahaha you guys finally shut that other thread down. was wondering when that would happen. hopefully we will actually discuss the game now

[Canadian Attack Beaver]

p8ragon, on 14 January 2014 - 10:18 AM, said:

hahaha you guys finally shut that other thread down. was wondering when that would happen. hopefully we will actually discuss the game now

We were discussing the game in the other thread; it just got derailed by simpletons who aren't capable of offering anything but unsubstantiated opinion and whose panties got in a knot when this was pointed out.

[p8ragon]

Canadian Attack Beaver, on 14 January 2014 - 10:21 AM, said:

We were discussing the game in the other thread; it just got derailed by simpletons who aren't capable of offering anything but unsubstantiated opinion and whose panties got in a knot when this was pointed out.

to be fair there was quite a bit of vitriol. more community warfare in that thread than the actual game lol

[Cricent]

120 for a founder package, 80 for phoenix package, 30 more saber package, 240 for clan package and now lets add that up.. 120+80 +30 +240 = 470 dollars..... Now lets say this game was a regular game released in the stores which would cost 60 dollars and that same 60 dollars would buy you the same mechs you paid for 470 dollars online that why people are so mad. be realistic on your prices.

[Canadian Attack Beaver]

p8ragon, on 14 January 2014 - 10:38 AM, said:

to be fair there was quite a bit of vitriol. more community warfare in that thread than the actual game lol

That's usually what happens when people (ie. fanboys) blather on, mocking anyone who disagrees with them and refusing to actually discuss anything that is presented. It escalates when these fanboys intentionally skew information and outright lie to make their points.

[Canadian Attack Beaver]

Cricent, on 14 January 2014 - 10:46 AM, said:

120 for a founder package, 80 for phoenix package, 30 more saber package, 240 for clan package and now lets add that up.. 120+80 +30 +240 = 470 dollars..... Now lets say this game was a regular game released in the stores which would cost 60 dollars and that same 60 dollars would buy you the same mechs you paid for 470 dollars online that why people are so mad. be realistic on your prices.

You're exactly right.

Look at the Daishi package; it's the direct parallel to the Overlord package yet costs $40 more. An assault, heavy, medium and light mech, prime + 2 variants each, mechbays included, premium time (but less than Overlord package) and signed piece of digital art; Yay! If anything, the Daishi package provides less value than the Overlord package (unless you value the signed digital art as much as 30 days of premium time costs).

[Canadian Attack Beaver]

Destined, on 14 January 2014 - 11:17 AM, said:

Holy SCRAP this thread. Stay constructive guys.

Ok. Constructively, ask PGI to reduce per mech prices on Clan packages to the same per mech prices of the Phoenix packages, increase premium time to equal what was given in the Phoenix packages, and compensate those that have already paid these higher prices with additional premium time. That will solve a lot.

[p8ragon]

Canadian Attack Beaver, on 14 January 2014 - 11:23 AM, said:

Ok. Constructively, ask PGI to reduce per mech prices on Clan packages to the same per mech prices of the Phoenix packages, increase premium time to equal what was given in the Phoenix packages, and compensate those that have already paid these higher prices with additional premium time. That will solve a lot.

this is probably the entire reason for all the raging lol

[Whatzituyah]

p8ragon, on 14 January 2014 - 11:29 AM, said:

this is probably the entire reason for all the raging lol

Actually this is very true man I will be constructive enough to say that will be a god send.

[Nekki Basara]

It's not the only reason. Some people are angry that predictions of the Clan release timescale and price points thrown around as jokes turned out to be reality.

Really the main reason is getting Clan mechs before CW.

[Uncle Totty]

Destined, on 14 January 2014 - 11:25 AM, said:

I see what you did there Will pass the feedback along, though I'm just a cog in the machine.

*crosses fingers and gets money at the ready*

p8ragon, on 14 January 2014 - 11:29 AM, said:

this is probably the entire reason for all the raging lol

It is mine.

[Canadian Attack Beaver]

Nekki Basara, on 14 January 2014 - 11:36 AM, said:

It's not the only reason. Some people are angry that predictions of the Clan release timescale and price points thrown around as jokes turned out to be reality.

Really the main reason is getting Clan mechs before CW.

To be honest, the prices were the main reason for me.

I only came into the game October/November last year; I wasn't aware of the delayed content or other issues until I started delving into the forums and reading about them.

My anger/disappointment over the increased prices was compounded by the weak justification offered by the devs.

Edit: I will add, if the price scheme had stayed consistent between Phoenix and Clan packages, PGI would already have my money. The 50% price hike is complete unjustified in my opinion.

Edited by Canadian Attack Beaver, 14 January 2014 - 11:48 AM.

[p8ragon]

Canadian Attack Beaver, on 14 January 2014 - 11:46 AM, said:

To be honest, the prices were the main reason for me.

I only came into the game October/November last year; I wasn't aware of the delayed content or other issues until I started delving into the forums and reading about them.

My anger/disappointment over the increased prices was compounded by the weak justification offered by the devs.

Edit: I will add, if the price scheme had stayed consistent between Phoenix and Clan packages, PGI would already have my money. The 50% price hike is complete unjustified in my opinion.

this. The pricing seems like a slap in the face for devoted fans who don't have hundreds of dollars of disposable income. we have stuck with you through thick and thin; but to charge the prices that you are for a game that still hasn't delivered on promises of non paid content, as well as missed deadlines, was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Edit: double quote, grammar

Edited by p8ragon, 14 January 2014 - 02:20 PM.

[Chronojam]

p8ragon, on 14 January 2014 - 11:29 AM, said:

this is probably the entire reason for all the raging lol

It's not entirely the reason and several people have different reasons, although it's definitely a popular one. To elaborate on what's already been said:

Everybody was already on edge re:Clans due to the timeline -- remember how upset people got when it "reset?" Purchase delivery still half a year away.

The Clan Invasion was expected to be a huge in-game event, not a "sales event." Older front page news alluded to colonies going silent and mystery attacks.

Prices per-mech appear quite high in comparison to older offers. A fine line must be walked because there are concerns that clan mechs will be imbalanced, so "they cost more because they're so much better" is a risky sell.

Insufficient information to make informed purchasing decisions. During Founders the game was forming so we could expect little info but this is post-launch; hardpoints are expected! Mystery modules and features still unexplained.

The Timberwolf, the most iconic mech, was only available for the penultimate package weighing in at $210. It is very obvious players wanted that mech and paying through the rest to get there was unfavorable and insulting.

$500 "Gold Khan" mechs. Basically, several jokes about what PGI would do one day came true. Some were offended by the suggestion that it was a way to prove you were a top fan, versus having already purchased every other "you are top fans" packs and supporting the game for years.

And really you have the issue of seeing the results of a team heavily leaning towards "content generation" instead of completing critical gameplay components that were promised long ago and have yet to materialize. Big concerns about Community Warfare compounded by introduction of Clans.

[Canadian Attack Beaver]

Chronojam, on 14 January 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:

It's not entirely the reason and several people have different reasons, although it's definitely a popular one. To elaborate on what's already been said:

Everybody was already on edge re:Clans due to the timeline -- remember how upset people got when it "reset?" Purchase delivery still half a year away.

The Clan Invasion was expected to be a huge in-game event, not a "sales event." Older front page news alluded to colonies going silent and mystery attacks.

Prices per-mech appear quite high in comparison to older offers. A fine line must be walked because there are concerns that clan mechs will be imbalanced, so "they cost more because they're so much better" is a risky sell.

Insufficient information to make informed purchasing decisions. During Founders the game was forming so we could expect little info but this is post-launch; hardpoints are expected! Mystery modules and features still unexplained.

The Timberwolf, the most iconic mech, was only available for the penultimate package weighing in at $210. It is very obvious players wanted that mech and paying through the rest to get there was unfavorable and insulting.

$500 "Gold Khan" mechs. Basically, several jokes about what PGI would do one day came true. Some were offended by the suggestion that it was a way to prove you were a top fan, versus having already purchased every other "you are top fans" packs and supporting the game for years.

And really you have the issue of seeing the results of a team heavily leaning towards "content generation" instead of completing critical gameplay components that were promised long ago and have yet to materialize. Big concerns about Community Warfare compounded by introduction of Clans.

Excellent summary.

p8aragon brought up a good point as well; these price points are legitimately out of reach for some people. Pricing content at a 50% premium, for no justifiable reason, will exclude some people who really want to purchase the content.

I have more spare cash than I do spare time, but I won't waste my money when I don't see additional value. Like I wrote a few posts ago, the Daishi package provides less value than what I paid for the Overlord package and costs $40 more. Bizarre.

[SweetJackal]

Destined, on 14 January 2014 - 11:30 AM, said:

Its been my limited experience that it doesn't take much to start the fire. That being said, you are undoubtedly right in this scenario.

No doubt it is one of the main sources of fuel but there has been plenty of fanning of the flames by PGI on this matter. From their responses to defend themselves about the Gold Mechs to having it finally revealed that about 50% of the team is making Sale Items rather than creating or fixing the features and content we have been promised since day one to finding out that said content and features may have never really been in high priority production because of the licensing agreement deadlines.

Then we have the most recent censorship of the MWO In The News forum where any talk of Angry Joe's "Dishonorable Mention" of MWO in his Top 10 Gaming Controversies gets scrubbed off the site. When you consider that Angry Joe was one of the people PGI brought in for an event to promote MWO, saying that his content isn't acceptable now is some serious spin doctoring.

And I think we all remember what happened the last time the MWO In The News forum was censoring out negative press and mentions. We all know this will come back to bite them, their poor decisions in the past are already doing just that.

So constructively, can you -please- as PGI to stop this and be completely honest about what is going on behind closed doors. We don't need to know what the next paint scheme is going to be or every moment they are taking breaks but being upfront and honest about why these delays happened and where this game is going and what is being worked on?

I want to trust PGI, I want MWO to succeed. Yet I've been burned by them more than once and although PGI is currently saying "Hey, we are trying to change guys!" right now they are still going about and burning me again and again.

The community doesn't have to be a pile of vitriol aimed squarely at the developers.

[Roland]

Nekki Basara, on 14 January 2014 - 11:36 AM, said:

Really the main reason is getting Clan mechs before CW.

Yeah, this definitely bugs a lot of players.

It basically means that we won't get any pure inner sphere fighting prior to the clans showing up.

[SweetJackal]

Destined, on 14 January 2014 - 03:47 PM, said:

Ah well, let's see here. *Rolls up sleeves*

[-snip for space-]

Well I rambled for a bit. I hope that clears it up a bit. To be cliche, your feedback is important to us... just please, stop tossing the rotten vegetables at the same time you know?

Thank you for the straight answer, I asked for one and I got it. To me atleast, rambling is welcome when it actually clears the air when it comes to the murkiness of parent companies and their assets, publishers and developers.

I may not agree with the actions taken against the threads in question compared to response by the moderation team against other breeches of that code of conduct but I will not further question that here.

Though I must ask, would it be within the CoC to link to the Angry Joe website as to where the video could be found instead of directly linking to the video? Would warnings about Harsh Language be needed in that case?

[Alexandrix]

Destined, on 14 January 2014 - 03:47 PM, said:

*stuff*

Hey destined,
I'd just like to say thanks to you for at least putting your wading boots on and having a word here.If you look at my post history you'll see that I throw my fair bit of mud,with good reason in my opinion.Anyways,I just want you to know I do appreciate your words,and the fact that you actually seem to be communicating openly and honestly instead of through some PR filter.So please,more of that

That being said,please try to push some change in the pricing scheme for these packs.They are,quite honestly,absurd and out of control.As much mud as I throw,I DO want PGI to improve,I DO want MWO to succeed,I DO so badly want to throw money at my screen.....but the way the prices are I just can not justify spending $240 on a mech pack for a game that has so little content and so many missed deadlines/oppurtunities.

The missed deadlines can't be changed at this point.All we can do is hope PGI get their stuff together and rights the course before it's to late.I do believe that can happen if they pull their heads out and start working on what's really important for the game.

The pricing IS something that can be changed right now though.I guarantee if you make your pricing more reasonable,you'll sell a {Scrap} load more packs.I'd love to purchase a $120 pack of all the mechs(you can even take the extra {Scrap} like premium time,medals,and {Scrap} like that out,i don't care about any of that).....$240 is just way out of the question.

I understand you don't decide the pricing and that you're a CR.But,please be sure to impress upon the people who make those decisions just how important this sticking point is to a lot of people.

Thank you for your time

Edited by Alexandrix, 14 January 2014 - 04:05 PM.