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#7241 Accursed Richards

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 01:02 PM

View PostIraqiWalker, on 06 January 2014 - 05:56 AM, said:

It took a lot of effort to bring these here, and the community does want them. Instead of spilling negativities that are bouth aimless and unfounded, how about appreciating the fact that we got CLAN TECH, and have some fun.


But we haven't. We're going to get....something based on clan tech, but damned if I know what. The weapons are going to be "rebalanced", so given the previous record of balancing, Clan mechs might be waving around death rays or wet dishcloths in actual play, we've no way of telling. (The fact that the article suggests someone might want to put a NARC on their Omnimech might give a hint about how clued in they are on the actual state of weapons.)

So I'm essentially paying for the look of Clan mechs. Okay. But that brings it's own set of uncertainties. If I buy a Black Hawk, will it end up being the size of a Daishi? If I buy a Thor, will it have a big roomy Awesome-size CT that will regularly get cored while every other location has yellow armour?

Too many unknowns.

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 02:47 PM

View PostImperius, on 05 January 2014 - 08:52 PM, said:

Not worried in the least. I'll be recording all my matches anyway so I feel sorry for the guys that shoot my gold mech. Swift bans will follow!

Ban for a occasional TK? You are delusional. That shooter is all about killing other players, golden skin is just another stimulus for it. Record it or not, you will be TKed with some regularity, so you'd get accustomed to it, humble yourself.

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 04:23 PM

View PostIraqiWalker, on 06 January 2014 - 05:56 AM, said:


What are you even saying?

EVERYONE has been waiting for the clans to show up, people couldn't STOP talking about them. The real cash grab isn't the 500 dollar mechs, that's just for those that really want to support this game because it's fun. The real cash grab is the timberwolf at 210$ that's the cash grab and it is brilliant.

PGI is doing everything they can to get new features rolling, and you call releasing the clan mechs 24 mechs with full geometry, movement, models, and sub-variations NOTHING?

I'm not talking just about the time it takes to create them, I know you're trying to say that this isn't what the community wanted, but you're both figuratively and metaphorically wrong.

It took a lot of effort to bring these here, and the community does want them. Instead of spilling negativities that are bouth aimless and unfounded, how about appreciating the fact that we got CLAN TECH, and have some fun.

This game is F2P and PGI is just 40 people.they are doing what they can, we're getting UI2.0 soon, we're eventually gonna get CW as well. You don't want to buy them, fine. Don't buy the pack, but don't complain and and try to rabble rouse over the fact that things currently stated as being in development aren't here already, especially without knowing how difficult and how long these things take.


No. We are not getting "Clans".

We are getting Clan MECHS.

Contrary to community expectations they are releasing these mechs before community warfare. I suspect these mechs will be dropping alongside IS mechs in the same boring old 12 v 12 death matches. I have read nothing about Clan players having their own queue and dropping against teams made entirely out of Inner Sphere mechs.

The community expectation as it was laid out by the devs in the roadmaps at the time of selling the founders packs was that the Clans would be introduced after about 3 months of established IS community warfare. As per lore the "Clan Invasion" was expected to be an invasion of the Inner Sphere by mechs with vastly superior tech but fewer in numbers. We expected balance to be dealt with by manipulating said numbers in a 5 v 8 or 10 v 12 format. Inner Sphere teams would have numerical superiority, and possibly (call this a romantic notion if you will) have to use a bit of guile and tactics to get the better of the Clan teams.

Now, let's have a look at what we actually have....

We are getting more mechs. Chassis which are iconic and have been eagerly anticipated by the community they may be, but they are not "Clans". We're not getting Clan Wolf, Clan Ghost Bear, Clan Jade Falcon, because we don't even have House Davion, Kurita etc yet.........

Despite PGI advertising that "the Clan Invasion is here", it is quite obviously not. Every time I log in to these forums and see that link I feel insulted. There is no invasion because there is nothing to invade. The Clans aren't invading the Inner Sphere because neither beligerent even exists in this game.

Because we don't have community warfare.

This is a cash grab. These mechs will be dropped into the same meaningless death matches which we have been continually playing since closed beta. I suspect they will even be dropping on the same teams with Inner Sphere mechs and noobs in trial mechs. They will have tech which is ever so slightly better than the IS mechs and thus, without balancing with superior numbers, we will have Pay to Win.

Come July this year, there will STILL be no Community Warfare. There will be clan mechs fighting against and alongside inferior Inner Sphere mechs. These mechs will either be nerfed to the point of equality with the IS mechs. Or they will be better and thus P2W.

This is not what I, and I suspect most of the community expected of "The Clan Invasion".

Edited by Lindonius, 06 January 2014 - 06:36 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2014 - 05:11 PM

View PostImperius, on 05 January 2014 - 08:52 PM, said:

Not worried in the least. I'll be recording all my matches anyway so I feel sorry for the guys that shoot my gold mech. Swift bans will follow!

At least that is in line with the rest of your behaviour and your self-proclaimed attitude.
Points for consistency. Chapeau!

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 06:10 PM

View PostLindonius, on 06 January 2014 - 04:23 PM, said:


No. We are not getting "Clans".

We are getting Clan MECHS.

Contrary to community expectations they are releasing these mechs before community warfare. I suspect these mechs will be dropping alongside IS mechs in the same boring old 12 v 12 death matches. I have read nothing about Clan players having their own queue and dropping against teams made entirely out of Inner Sphere mechs.

The community expectation as it was laid out by the devs in the roadmaps at the time of selling the founders packs was that the Clans would be introduced after about 3 months of established IS community warfare. As per lore the "Clan Invasion" was expected to be an invasion of the Inner Sphere by mechs with vastly superior tech but fewer in numbers. We expected balance to be dealt with by manipulating said numbers in a 5 v 8 or 10 v 12 format. Inner Sphere teams would have numerical superiority, and possibly (call this a romantic notion if you will) have to use a bit of guile and tactics to get the better of the Clan teams.

Now, let's have a look at what we actually have....

We are getting more mechs. Chassis which are iconic and have been eagerly anticipated by the community they may be, but they are not "Clans". Where not getting Clan Wolf, Clan Ghost Bear, Clan Jade Falcon, because we don't even have House Davion, Kurita etc yet.........

Despite PGI advertising that "the Clan Invasion is here", it is quite obviously not. Every time I log in to these forums and see that link I feel insulted. There is no invasion because there is nothing to invade. The Clans aren't invading the Inner Sphere because neither beligerent even exists in this game.

Because we don't have community warfare.

This is a cash grab. These mechs will be dropped into the same meaningless death matches which we have been continually playing since closed beta. I suspect they will even be dropping on the same teams with Inner Sphere mechs and noobs in trial mechs. They will have tech which is ever so slightly better than the IS mechs and thus, without balancing with superior numbers, we will have Pay to Win.

Come July this year, there will STILL be no Community Warfare. There will be clan mechs fighting against and alongside inferior Inner Sphere mechs. These mechs will either be nerfed to the point of equality with the IS mechs. Or they will be better and thus P2W.

This is not what I, and I suspect most of the community expected of "The Clan Invasion".

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 07:46 PM

View PostLindonius, on 06 January 2014 - 04:23 PM, said:


No. We are not getting "Clans".

We are getting Clan MECHS.

Contrary to community expectations they are releasing these mechs before community warfare. I suspect these mechs will be dropping alongside IS mechs in the same boring old 12 v 12 death matches. I have read nothing about Clan players having their own queue and dropping against teams made entirely out of Inner Sphere mechs.

The community expectation as it was laid out by the devs in the roadmaps at the time of selling the founders packs was that the Clans would be introduced after about 3 months of established IS community warfare. As per lore the "Clan Invasion" was expected to be an invasion of the Inner Sphere by mechs with vastly superior tech but fewer in numbers. We expected balance to be dealt with by manipulating said numbers in a 5 v 8 or 10 v 12 format. Inner Sphere teams would have numerical superiority, and possibly (call this a romantic notion if you will) have to use a bit of guile and tactics to get the better of the Clan teams.

Now, let's have a look at what we actually have....

We are getting more mechs. Chassis which are iconic and have been eagerly anticipated by the community they may be, but they are not "Clans". We're not getting Clan Wolf, Clan Ghost Bear, Clan Jade Falcon, because we don't even have House Davion, Kurita etc yet.........

Despite PGI advertising that "the Clan Invasion is here", it is quite obviously not. Every time I log in to these forums and see that link I feel insulted. There is no invasion because there is nothing to invade. The Clans aren't invading the Inner Sphere because neither beligerent even exists in this game.

Because we don't have community warfare.

This is a cash grab. These mechs will be dropped into the same meaningless death matches which we have been continually playing since closed beta. I suspect they will even be dropping on the same teams with Inner Sphere mechs and noobs in trial mechs. They will have tech which is ever so slightly better than the IS mechs and thus, without balancing with superior numbers, we will have Pay to Win.

Come July this year, there will STILL be no Community Warfare. There will be clan mechs fighting against and alongside inferior Inner Sphere mechs. These mechs will either be nerfed to the point of equality with the IS mechs. Or they will be better and thus P2W.

This is not what I, and I suspect most of the community expected of "The Clan Invasion".



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 11:37 PM

I think people who think this deal is good go look up Angry Joes video of "the top 10 Controversies of 2013" his point of view should be seen at number 5 I believe correct me if I am wrong and then I will edit this post sometime today*.

* In technicality it is today because its after midnight I am tired I think I should go to bed.

Unless you don't want to here is a link to a member of this forum topic with said video in it I can't remember names its late should go to bed. http://mwomercs.com/...ry-joe-and-mwo/

Edited by Whatzituyah, 06 January 2014 - 11:40 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:23 AM

View PostLindonius, on 06 January 2014 - 04:23 PM, said:


...snip...

Now, let's have a look at what we actually have....

We are getting more mechs. Chassis which are iconic and have been eagerly anticipated by the community they may be, but they are not "Clans". We're not getting Clan Wolf, Clan Ghost Bear, Clan Jade Falcon, because we don't even have House Davion, Kurita etc yet.........

Despite PGI advertising that "the Clan Invasion is here", it is quite obviously not. Every time I log in to these forums and see that link I feel insulted. There is no invasion because there is nothing to invade. The Clans aren't invading the Inner Sphere because neither beligerent even exists in this game.

Because we don't have community warfare.

This is a cash grab. These mechs will be dropped into the same meaningless death matches which we have been continually playing since closed beta. I suspect they will even be dropping on the same teams with Inner Sphere mechs and noobs in trial mechs. They will have tech which is ever so slightly better than the IS mechs and thus, without balancing with superior numbers, we will have Pay to Win.

Come July this year, there will STILL be no Community Warfare. There will be clan mechs fighting against and alongside inferior Inner Sphere mechs. These mechs will either be nerfed to the point of equality with the IS mechs. Or they will be better and thus P2W.

This is not what I, and I suspect most of the community expected of "The Clan Invasion".

I approve of this post.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 05:00 AM

View PostLindonius, on 06 January 2014 - 04:23 PM, said:


No. We are not getting "Clans".

We are getting Clan MECHS.

Contrary to community expectations they are releasing these mechs before community warfare. I suspect these mechs will be dropping alongside IS mechs in the same boring old 12 v 12 death matches. I have read nothing about Clan players having their own queue and dropping against teams made entirely out of Inner Sphere mechs.

The community expectation as it was laid out by the devs in the roadmaps at the time of selling the founders packs was that the Clans would be introduced after about 3 months of established IS community warfare. As per lore the "Clan Invasion" was expected to be an invasion of the Inner Sphere by mechs with vastly superior tech but fewer in numbers. We expected balance to be dealt with by manipulating said numbers in a 5 v 8 or 10 v 12 format. Inner Sphere teams would have numerical superiority, and possibly (call this a romantic notion if you will) have to use a bit of guile and tactics to get the better of the Clan teams.

Now, let's have a look at what we actually have....

We are getting more mechs. Chassis which are iconic and have been eagerly anticipated by the community they may be, but they are not "Clans". We're not getting Clan Wolf, Clan Ghost Bear, Clan Jade Falcon, because we don't even have House Davion, Kurita etc yet.........

Despite PGI advertising that "the Clan Invasion is here", it is quite obviously not. Every time I log in to these forums and see that link I feel insulted. There is no invasion because there is nothing to invade. The Clans aren't invading the Inner Sphere because neither beligerent even exists in this game.

Because we don't have community warfare.

This is a cash grab. These mechs will be dropped into the same meaningless death matches which we have been continually playing since closed beta. I suspect they will even be dropping on the same teams with Inner Sphere mechs and noobs in trial mechs. They will have tech which is ever so slightly better than the IS mechs and thus, without balancing with superior numbers, we will have Pay to Win.

Come July this year, there will STILL be no Community Warfare. There will be clan mechs fighting against and alongside inferior Inner Sphere mechs. These mechs will either be nerfed to the point of equality with the IS mechs. Or they will be better and thus P2W.

This is not what I, and I suspect most of the community expected of "The Clan Invasion".

Yeah mate, that's what I wanted to say: WE ARE NOT GETTING CLANS, WE ARE JUST GETTING THEIR MECHS!

Edited by GonaDie, 07 January 2014 - 05:01 AM.


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 07:53 AM

View PostGonaDie, on 07 January 2014 - 05:00 AM, said:

Yeah mate, that's what I wanted to say: WE ARE NOT GETTING CLANS, WE ARE JUST GETTING THEIR MECHS!


Maybe ;)

We dont know how the mechs look ingame or how they work. As far as i can tell, ive seen a shadow in a crappy trailer.

Clan Tech? Dont know what it will be in MWO but im expacting seperated ques like those for 3rd PV.
They selling some thoughts at the moment. ;)

If Clans are better than IS it would be crying. (and a user drop. who wants to get beaten for not buying a clan mech?)
Or....Clan Tech ist nearly the same as IS and Clanboys will complain because of this and the "package pricing was high because clans are better". ;)

So at the moment PGI achived little in the BETA and nothing after its launch. And most of us said that MWO isnt ready for launch.
MWO is like Team Fortress 2. Funny in a way. But nothing worth spending high amounts of money.
I did it not for Mechs.....i thought i support PGI and look what they said!

They didnt work on this game because they waited to secure the licence. They lied. They said they work on CW, UI 2.0, DX11, collision and they dont. Thats a fact....revealed pretty late for my taste and with no excuses. They complemanting them self for collecting money. Thats a thing wich makes me angry in some way.

The thing is: If they would have been honest all the time i wouldt have spend 170 € on STEAM sale. PGI would have get it.
(170 € is the masakari pack :rolleyes: )

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 08:54 AM

View PostNimura Nekogami, on 07 January 2014 - 07:53 AM, said:


Maybe ;)

We dont know how the mechs look ingame or how they work. As far as i can tell, ive seen a shadow in a crappy trailer.

Clan Tech? Dont know what it will be in MWO but im expacting seperated ques like those for 3rd PV.
They selling some thoughts at the moment. ;)

If Clans are better than IS it would be crying. (and a user drop. who wants to get beaten for not buying a clan mech?)
Or....Clan Tech ist nearly the same as IS and Clanboys will complain because of this and the "package pricing was high because clans are better". ;)

So at the moment PGI achived little in the BETA and nothing after its launch. And most of us said that MWO isnt ready for launch.
MWO is like Team Fortress 2. Funny in a way. But nothing worth spending high amounts of money.
I did it not for Mechs.....i thought i support PGI and look what they said!

They didnt work on this game because they waited to secure the licence. They lied. They said they work on CW, UI 2.0, DX11, collision and they dont. Thats a fact....revealed pretty late for my taste and with no excuses. They complemanting them self for collecting money. Thats a thing wich makes me angry in some way.

The thing is: If they would have been honest all the time i wouldt have spend 170 € on STEAM sale. PGI would have get it.
(170 € is the masakari pack :rolleyes: )

Yeah, they didn't do much progress since beta. MWO has a fun gameplay but that's it. It feels like PGI doesn't care about turning this game into something really big, they just care about getting our money as fast as they can. And all that clan stuff is very messed up.Nobody knows what to expect from it.It shouldn't be like that.But the worst thing is that PGI doesn't care what people think.They just do what they wan't. :ph34r:

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 11:57 AM

So, they just announced a new Hero Mech.

I think this is all the proof you need that PGI doesn't give a damn what you think.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:32 PM

View PostThe Government, on 07 January 2014 - 11:57 AM, said:

So, they just announced a new Hero Mech.

I think this is all the proof you need that PGI doesn't give a damn what you think.

Gauss hero mech, so quick, nerf the AC/20 in the same stroke.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:55 PM

Why are people shocked???
The prices for mechs has always been WAYYYYY overpriced. This time you just just get to see how much they are over charging because they put them in a group.
I am not going to rehash every negative comment on here on the prices because I agree with them all! This is just crazy!
I have said this before. Whats better... a few people willing to pay $500.. OR a whole community willing to pay $10

Oh and then they just add a new Hero mech on top of everything.. FAIL

Edited by Xmasterspy, 07 January 2014 - 01:56 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 02:54 PM

View PostThe Government, on 07 January 2014 - 11:57 AM, said:

So, they just announced a new Hero Mech.

I think this is all the proof you need that PGI doesn't give a damn what you think.

Arn't there hero mechs everymonth
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Posted 07 January 2014 - 08:16 PM

View PostLindonius, on 06 January 2014 - 04:23 PM, said:


No. We are not getting "Clans".

We are getting Clan MECHS.

Contrary to community expectations they are releasing these mechs before community warfare. I suspect these mechs will be dropping alongside IS mechs in the same boring old 12 v 12 death matches. I have read nothing about Clan players having their own queue and dropping against teams made entirely out of Inner Sphere mechs.

The community expectation as it was laid out by the devs in the roadmaps at the time of selling the founders packs was that the Clans would be introduced after about 3 months of established IS community warfare. As per lore the "Clan Invasion" was expected to be an invasion of the Inner Sphere by mechs with vastly superior tech but fewer in numbers. We expected balance to be dealt with by manipulating said numbers in a 5 v 8 or 10 v 12 format. Inner Sphere teams would have numerical superiority, and possibly (call this a romantic notion if you will) have to use a bit of guile and tactics to get the better of the Clan teams.

Now, let's have a look at what we actually have....

We are getting more mechs. Chassis which are iconic and have been eagerly anticipated by the community they may be, but they are not "Clans". We're not getting Clan Wolf, Clan Ghost Bear, Clan Jade Falcon, because we don't even have House Davion, Kurita etc yet.........

Despite PGI advertising that "the Clan Invasion is here", it is quite obviously not. Every time I log in to these forums and see that link I feel insulted. There is no invasion because there is nothing to invade. The Clans aren't invading the Inner Sphere because neither beligerent even exists in this game.

Because we don't have community warfare.

This is a cash grab. These mechs will be dropped into the same meaningless death matches which we have been continually playing since closed beta. I suspect they will even be dropping on the same teams with Inner Sphere mechs and noobs in trial mechs. They will have tech which is ever so slightly better than the IS mechs and thus, without balancing with superior numbers, we will have Pay to Win.

Come July this year, there will STILL be no Community Warfare. There will be clan mechs fighting against and alongside inferior Inner Sphere mechs. These mechs will either be nerfed to the point of equality with the IS mechs. Or they will be better and thus P2W.

This is not what I, and I suspect most of the community expected of "The Clan Invasion".



Yep....good post right ther

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 10:56 PM

View PostLindonius, on 06 January 2014 - 04:23 PM, said:


No. We are not getting "Clans".

We are getting Clan MECHS.

Contrary to community expectations they are releasing these mechs before community warfare. I suspect these mechs will be dropping alongside IS mechs in the same boring old 12 v 12 death matches. I have read nothing about Clan players having their own queue and dropping against teams made entirely out of Inner Sphere mechs.

The community expectation as it was laid out by the devs in the roadmaps at the time of selling the founders packs was that the Clans would be introduced after about 3 months of established IS community warfare. As per lore the "Clan Invasion" was expected to be an invasion of the Inner Sphere by mechs with vastly superior tech but fewer in numbers. We expected balance to be dealt with by manipulating said numbers in a 5 v 8 or 10 v 12 format. Inner Sphere teams would have numerical superiority, and possibly (call this a romantic notion if you will) have to use a bit of guile and tactics to get the better of the Clan teams.

Now, let's have a look at what we actually have....

We are getting more mechs. Chassis which are iconic and have been eagerly anticipated by the community they may be, but they are not "Clans". We're not getting Clan Wolf, Clan Ghost Bear, Clan Jade Falcon, because we don't even have House Davion, Kurita etc yet.........

Despite PGI advertising that "the Clan Invasion is here", it is quite obviously not. Every time I log in to these forums and see that link I feel insulted. There is no invasion because there is nothing to invade. The Clans aren't invading the Inner Sphere because neither beligerent even exists in this game.

Because we don't have community warfare.

This is a cash grab. These mechs will be dropped into the same meaningless death matches which we have been continually playing since closed beta. I suspect they will even be dropping on the same teams with Inner Sphere mechs and noobs in trial mechs. They will have tech which is ever so slightly better than the IS mechs and thus, without balancing with superior numbers, we will have Pay to Win.

Come July this year, there will STILL be no Community Warfare. There will be clan mechs fighting against and alongside inferior Inner Sphere mechs. These mechs will either be nerfed to the point of equality with the IS mechs. Or they will be better and thus P2W.

This is not what I, and I suspect most of the community expected of "The Clan Invasion".


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Edited by DCM Zeus, 07 January 2014 - 10:56 PM.


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Posted 08 January 2014 - 07:33 AM

absurd prices the overlord pack was understandable but 500$ for a grafix mech just wth for that money i want to have a real golden figure standing on my cabinet

the idea for the mechs is good but focus on the progress of the game before stripping us of our money
(reduce the price to get more buyers instead of having little buyers for that insane amount of $)

i hoop this dussent effect the comunity to mutch caus your losing there trust this way

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 09:50 AM

The prices are insanity from top to bottom. $55 dollars for one mech in a game that has half the features of any xbox game out there is amazingly ridiculous. For an entire, complete xbox game, its costs $60. At most, add-ons for xbox cost as much as $10. $55 for essentially just a new avatar in a game?? Wow.

I really enjoy playing this game, and I love the work that PGI has put into it. I personally don't mind the time they're taking to try to get things right, especially with a smaller development group compared to a lot of other video-games. But, this decision is just very odd.

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 12:49 PM

This thread is fun to keep coming back to periodically.

View Postkesuga7, on 07 January 2014 - 02:54 PM, said:

Arn't there hero mechs everymonth
?

Yep... and for what, most of a year now?

Always funny how many fail to understand that the groups who make the mechs AND levels are not the same doing the back end.





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