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[Mister Blastman]

Acid Phase, on 14 December 2013 - 07:30 PM, said:

Another stupid revelation. If PGI release clan mechs for cbills, (1 per month), at the rate you'll see Mad Cat will be for an extra year or two* (*given thier delay reputation). Really want to wait that long? No.

And this, this is the biggest problem with it all.

Want to play clan mechs? Pay to play. Otherwise, wait... months.

[Zerstorer Stallin]

This thread may be the best community warfare we've had so far in MWO! See they did deliver!

[Mister Blastman]

Nephera, on 14 December 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

meanwhile in the land of things that cost 500 dollars.

Funny you mention that stick. It's on my list this year. I'll buy it before I buy any virtual good, that's for sure.

[CoolHandNuke]

I wasn't in the closed beta, so the lack of promised features doesn't sting so much for me. I think, for better or worse, with what the company has to work with budget- and personnel- wise MWO isn't going to ever be the living, breathing incarnation of the Battletech universe that some people hoped it would be. New toy robots to drive around I can be happy with. That said, such a huge cash grab so far in advance of delivery is a little ominous. My view of the situation is that the business model they settled on hasn't turned out to be as profitable as they had hoped, and things like Phoenix and Clan Invasion are attempts to balance the books. Some people will buy these things, yes, and for the sake of everyone who enjoys the game I hope the company makes enough money to stay afloat, but time will tell.

Edited by CoolHandNuke, 14 December 2013 - 07:42 PM.

[iamunkle]

this may seem a little extreme, but in the light of all this last minute money grabbing action with no sign of actual progress in the game...


credit cards.


get them out of their system.
or least take the money you have in there out.

just in case.

better safe then broke coz pgi ran off with our money

[Zerstorer Stallin]

CoolHandNuke, on 14 December 2013 - 07:37 PM, said:

I wasn't in the closed beta, so the lack of promised features doesn't sting so much for me. I think, for better or worse, with what the company has to work with budget- and personnel- wise MWO isn't going to ever be the living, breathing incarnation of the Battletech universe that some people hoped it would be. New toy robots to drive around I can be happy with. That said, such a huge cash grab so far in advance of delivery is a little ominous. My view of the situation is that the business they settled on hasn't turned out to be as profitable as they had hoped, and things like Phoenix and Clan Invasion are attempts to balance the books. Some people will buy these things, yes, and for the sake of everyone who enjoys the game I hoped the company makes enough money to stay afloat, but time will tell.

Well that would be true except some to the funds raised go to another game project. They still refuse to tell us how much btw.

[Rhialto]

Just kidding with a few questions:

• Does the gold Mechs have special abilities like blinding enemy when sun shine on it or something?
  
• Carrat? 24k?
  
• Is it gold plated or solid gold? If solid, will it be slower?

This remind me my all time favorite comics: The Mysterious Cities of Gold in which there was a gold Condor. I like everything in this, technology, music, ok maybe not the alien part at the end.

Edited by Rhialto, 14 December 2013 - 07:42 PM.

[Mindwyrm]

177 pages of mostly hate. I didn't read it ALL. I skimmed most of it, yet noticed it was a lot of the same things.

PGI do you realize what you stepped in yet?

Maybe you should actually deliver things you say your going to deliver before announcing new things. How hard would it have been to hold this whole announcement until after UI 2.0 had been released and stabilized? The only thing I can think is that you wanted to announce this before Christmas so people could receive them as presents from their significant other. From reading all this that was a bad choice.

Maybe you should hire a marketing strategist?

[Alymbic]

Seeing as just about everyone else on the forums have posted here, I guess I don't want to miss out.

All I can say is that these bundles offer no incentive to buy now instead of waiting until the last day of the sale. All I can advocate is patience. No harm in seeing how the game develops in the next 6 months to see how much worth there is.

[Sandpit]

OK.................. where to begin............

I will not buy this package. I WANT this package (a lot) (a WHOLE lot because I liked my timber wolves mainly) but I will not buy it. You did a great job today giving some info on how clan mechs MIGHT (I use the word might because in your own command chair post you state all thigns are subject to change) work. I actually like your ideas on that. I love the concept art. The pricing is actually pretty good (except the whole gold mech thing, just my opinion though) and on par with the PP mechs deals.

So why wouldn't I buy this? Well the short answer is, I'm not spending the equivalent of 4-6 AAA full games on this. This product in its current form is not worth the cost. You're asking customers to drop 200+ dollars on a game with a few maps and one game mode (one game mode because conquest and assault are the exact same game mode and play out the same way just with multiple cap points), no storyline, no persistent universe, no lobbies, no voip, no dx11, no easy way to group up with unit buddies, no metagame, no CW, no UI2.0.
If I had more confidence that you and your dev team were capable of delivering this on time, I would have already purchased this package. There's a growing perception that this company and dev team are incompetent and merely money grubbing dbags. Whether that's right or wrong, true or false, that's the perception. You can argue it, disagree with it, ban people who say it (not saying you have just giving an example, agree with it, or just plain ignore it (which seems to be the most likely scenario in MY opinion) but perception is reality. It doesn't matter if it really is true or whether you agree with it. People will spend their money based on their perceptions.
You can say you're going to have all the stuff I listed above in the game "soon" or before clans get here but at this point I don't believe you. I don't believe you because for 18 months I DID believe you. I DID have faith that you could get all of that stuff done and that you wouldn't push out another big package like PP until that was done. Now, not so much. It doesn't matter WHY you haven't gotten these things done. It only matters that you haven't. Many of us have been patient and understanding for nearly two years.
Russ, would YOU give more than $200+ of YOUR hard earned money if the tables were reversed? Would YOU still have faith in a company that had seemingly ignored your concerns, failed to disperse information, refused to communicate with you, blew past 18 months of deadlines, and put out more money making content than actual game content? Would YOU spend the kind of money you're asking, hoping, and expecting your customers to spend on a completely unfinished game? Would YOU be happy with a company that had performed like this on your dime?
This is not "your" game. This is a commercial product that you are trying to sell. Your whole "hush hush, I know something you don't know teehee" mentality is ridiculous. A good example? I STILL DON'T KNOW HOW LOYALTY POINTS WORK OR HOW THEY WILL ACCUMULATE. This was a big price tag item I paid for and you haven't even delivered that yet.

This is why you will not be getting my money at this point. You have failed to give me perceived value for your price point.

I don't expect many, if any, replies form anyone on the dev team to this particular post (which doesn't surprise me and will just reaffirm my own perceptions) but I hope you realize you just lost a paying customer at this point. Will I leave the game? nah, I can play the game for free. There's no need for me to leave. I enjoy it for what it is. You will not, however, receive anymore of my money until you begin acting like a multi-million dollar company producing a professional product.

[Moldycrow]

Mindwyrm, on 14 December 2013 - 07:42 PM, said:

177 pages of mostly hate. I didn't read it ALL. I skimmed most of it, yet noticed it was a lot of the same things.

I bet asking for MC refunds will get their attention more than those 177 pages of hate and rage.

I paid $120 for something they have yet to deliver after what, a year and a half? Longer? I forget exactly. I feel like a landlord giving an extension on rent when the tenant says he'll "have it next month"

Edited by Moldycrow, 14 December 2013 - 07:47 PM.

[Mystere]

Mister Blastman, on 14 December 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

And this, this is the biggest problem with it all.

Want to play clan mechs? Pay to play. Otherwise, wait... months.

Is that really so bad in a free-to-play game? It's a cash and convenience vs. patience and c-bill grinding decision.

[Mead]

iamunkle, on 14 December 2013 - 07:38 PM, said:

this may seem a little extreme, but in the light of all this last minute money grabbing action with no sign of actual progress in the game...


credit cards.


get them out of their system.
or least take the money you have in there out.

just in case.

better safe then broke coz pgi ran off with our money

CC companies take a dim view of people who steal their money

[GZBLASTERMASTER]

I have nothing...I can't believe it. I honestly like this game and just like every other hobby I'd spend money on, I can drop a few dollars every now and then on MC, but this is too much to bear. I could deal with paying for the Phoenix package, that's a regular Sat outing bar-hopping for me, wasn't that big of a deal after the fact even with much deliberation and myself being a vocal opponent of the promo, I still gave PGI a chance. They announced Saber and the answer was *no*, not paying for an addendum to yet unreleased and purchased goods....but now...they rolled out a top tier package for Clans that stands at $240, and have the nerve to promote a $500 single Omni...correct me if I'm wrong, but what Khan hit the field in a gold plated Daishi...Paints schemes out of control, maybe, but the use of gold plating would seem to grant the pilot of said mech defense bonuses against energy based beam weapons....but something tells me they didn't think of that and now that I've posted it *miraculously* it will be announced at later date. I hope it does, no module in the world is worth that unless it is a dam Gameshark 9.0 WTH man...

[Ramwold]

I think maybe I'm not the target market.
I'm still struggling with *maybe* spending 17 dollars on a hero 'mech, when I can just play all the other 'mechs for free...

This Free-To-Play game makes me feel really poor. I have real life bills to pay. Come Clan Invasion I will just *shoot* at the Clan 'mechs, and I'll just wait over a year to play the Timberwolf(MadCat), if MWO still exists then.

Oh, and Gold 'Mechs will be targetted before all other 'mechs.

[Will9761]

I love the artwork of the clans mechs, but the only problem I have with the clan pack is the pricing. I understand the reason why the mech bundle goes to $100, after all you get what you pay for and there is nothing wrong with that. But, the fact that the Clan mech's prices have been arranged to act like a different lance of mechs is my problem. For example the venerable Timber Wolf (Mad Cat) cost $210 dollars and a Puma (Adder) cost $90 dollars, that doesn't make any sense and it would anger people who want their favorite mech. But if the Timber Wolf was $180 (due to mech bundles and tonnage) then I could live with that. The cost of the mechs should be based on their tonnage and weight class. Basically the cost should be upgraded as you purchase the next weight class akin, to the Project Phoenix program.

Original Mech arrangements:
Assault (85 tons) - Warhawk = $240
Heavy (75 tons) -Timber Wolf = $210
Medium (55 tons) - Stormcrow = $180
Light (35 tons) - Puma = $90
Assault (100 tons) - Dire Wolf = $120
Heavy (70 tons) - Summoner = $90
Medium (50 tons) - Nova = $60
Light (30) - Kit Fox = $30

How the mechs should be rearranged:
Assault (100 tons) - Dire Wolf = $240
Assault (85 tons) - Warhawk = $210
Heavy (75 tons) -Timber Wolf = $180
Heavy (70 tons) - Summoner = $150
Medium (55 tons) - Stormcrow = $120
Medium (50 tons) - Nova = $90
Light (35 tons) - Puma = $60
Light (30 tons) - Kit Fox = $30

Had the prices would have been labeled like this, then I wouldn't have a problem with it.
EDIT : I meant to say upgrade, I just couldn't think of it earlier. Also I used Project Phoenix as an example.

Edited by Will9761, 14 December 2013 - 09:34 PM.

[IR God]

Well looks like its time to uninstall, thanks for being SO GREEDY, and making this free to play a PAY TO WIN! Can I have my money back for the founders Package?

Mech is dead for me thanks "P Greedy I"

[Mister Blastman]

Mystere, on 14 December 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:

Is that really so bad in a free-to-play game? It's a cash and convenience vs. patience and c-bill grinding decision.

c-bills are a non issue for me. I've got hundreds of millions. It's the waiting part--and paying for these mechs and not getting promises fulfilled or crucial supporting content along with proper game balance delivered.

[Roadbeer]

Will9761, on 14 December 2013 - 07:53 PM, said:

I love the artwork of the clans mechs, but the only problem I have with the clan pack is the pricing. I understand the reason why the mech bundle goes to $100, after all you get what you pay for and there is nothing wrong with that. But, the fact that the Clan mech's prices have been arranged to act like a different lance of mechs is my problem. For example the venerable Timber Wolf (Mad Cat) cost $210 dollars and a Puma (Adder) cost $90 dollars, that doesn't make any sense and it would anger people who want their favorite mech. But if the Timber Wolf was $180 (due to mech bundles and tonnage) then I could live with that. The cost of the mechs should be based on their tonnage and weight class. Basically the cost should get higher and higher as you purchase the next weight class.

Original Mech arrangements:
Assault (85 tons) - Warhawk = $240
Heavy (75 tons) -Timber Wolf = $210
Medium (55 tons) - Stormcrow = $180
Light (35 tons) - Puma = $90
Assault (100 tons) - Dire Wolf = $120
Heavy (70 tons) - Summoner = $90
Medium (50 tons) - Nova = $60
Light (30) - Kit Fox = $30

How the mechs should be rearranged:
Assault (100 tons) - Dire Wolf = $240
Assault (85 tons) - Warhawk = $210
Heavy (75 tons) -Timber Wolf = $180
Heavy (70 tons) - Summoner = $150
Medium (55 tons) - Stormcrow = $120
Medium (50 tons) - Nova = $90
Light (35 tons) - Puma = $60
Light (30 tons) - Kit Fox = $30

Had the prices would have been labeled like this, then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

I'm with you to a point, but I do understand their pricing structure. You can get into an assault cheaper w/o having to buy the top tier.

[Kunae]

FreeZe, on 14 December 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

(PS: Anyone see my wall paper? Now there's a good dev team! )

Hellz-yeah!

Mark Jacobs kicks arse.