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[ValdnadHartagga]

Pissybird, on 13 December 2013 - 07:22 PM, said:

It's an omni mech, their whole point is being reconfigurable.

Actually, no. The point of Omni tech is that it allows a 'Mech to be reconfigured easily. In canon, it's supposed to take days, if not weeks, to retrofit a different weapon onto a Standard chassis because you need to change the architecture of the location the weapon is being fitted to (cut frames/shift armor), then run or delete the ammo feed while working around the other components of the 'Mech, hook it up to the computer, calibrate it, calibrate the gyro for the different weight distribution, test for weak points, et cetera - it's like adding an additional door to your car. Gotta make it fit and work well with everything else.

An Omni weapon pod just plugs right in, no need to mess with the computers, and the 'Mech likely has pre-assembled ammo feeds. I believe the canon time is roughly an hour for a field OmniPod retrofit. This is like taking the door off your car and replacing it with one of a different color.

In the grand scheme of things, Omnis are actually less configurable than a Standard. You're not supposed to be able to swap in a different engines, change the number of heatsinks (or even move them around), reconfigure the armor, add or remove jump jets and ECM...even certain weapons are fixed in place (like the Puma's flamer)*. That's probably where we get our variants. Want to build the ECM Loki variant? Buy the Loki chassis that has a fixed ECM. Want a Mad Dog C? Well, you'll need to remove the missile boxes, so that's a whole variant right there (the Spheroids even thought the Mad Dog C was a totally different 'Mech). Want a Mad Cat that can jump? Too bad, you're getting a Summoner.



*If PGI adheres to this, I'm hoping we don't see Spiders running around with Clan XL engines. Besides, you'd have a Dasher for that purpose anyway.

[zolop]

Personally serious development updates need to happen before anyone should think of investing in this...

Finish UI 2.0 (ALL of it not just one part of it)
Community Warfare
Adjust maps with turrets
Explain the Clan invasion and tech in much greater detail

Going to wait till june 2014 or ALL of the game features have been enabled and working. I bought buying overlord package because they actually spent more time communicating with the community. I will not be fooled again by PGI/IGP lying continually about what they can develope. Even Sots 2 Devs (Kerberos) have done a far better job at fixing a broken game at launch and they WEREN'T being paid by the publishers/investors to fix it after launch!

Not to mention the prices are still insane for everything you buy with only MC. $30 for heavy metal that can only be played in 2 game modes... How much does Deux Ex cost again $20 on steam, ... $7 for a color? How many sales do they have in a week because the prices are too damn high? They would need to do less sales if they lowered the prices to near their competitors and they would get a larger income...

Edited by zolop, 14 December 2013 - 09:50 AM.

[Tolkien]

My thoughts are that they have done nothing to justify further funding. I'm still sore from my Phoenix badges and 'loyalty points' not being in game months after the mechs are.

DX11? Talked about in 2012.
CW? 400+ days late so far?
Pay 2 lobby?
Charging $500 for a literal golden mech when you have yet to deliver on critical game features?

Get real. $200 already in is my limit for funding a game that isn't being made.

[Herr Dingus]

I will say I have bought mechs before, I even bought Phoenix. I wouldnt give them a penny for this. Over priced doesn't even begin to cover it. If PGI had delivered everything they said they were going to with Phoenix, had UI 2.0, and so many other promised things running it would still be over priced but I would have given it a second thought and considered it. However I didn't get what I paid for before, and I have little faith that anyone putting in their 240 (or what ever other inane amount) will. I would guess based on the track record that the mechs, and half of the features will be operational in June, and the other half of the features will be "in development" I will still be shocked if all of my Phoenix stuff is even operational by June. I started playing this game because it was fun and free, I paid money into it because I wanted to support something I found fun and that I was impressed with at the time. PGI has shattered that willingness to support them at this point. I will just wait until those mechs come out for CB bills like I should have done for Phoenix.

PGI If you even bother to read these posts you have gone to far with this. It no longer feels like an opportunity for players to show their support for the game, it feels like you are basically just trying to see how far we are willing to go, and I feel like, I hope that this project of yours doesn't do well to show you that you cannot charge the price of 6 brand new full games for content that will be more or less available a few months down the road anyway. I have no ill will to the company and I like the game but you really have gone to far.

And I just have to say $500 gold plated mech, I laughed so hard when I saw that, that I could I was going to fall out of my chair. That has to be the worst/funniest idea that PGI has come up with yet. Its like putting a giant sticker on your mech "I dont understand how money works!" Good on you PGI, its like an new feature of the game, I can get an instant IQ check of my fellow players by just seeing who has these mechs in game.

[Will9761]

dangerzone, on 14 December 2013 - 08:36 AM, said:

Well, for those moaning about the timber being $210 and being too expensive for a mech...you do realize that you get EVERY mech from EVERY package before that package.....right?

Anyways, I'm a legendary overlord, and I bought the Masakari Pack. QQ all you want forum warriors! I'm rolling in with the clans woo!!!

Actually there is a difference between QQing and discussing concerns.

This is QQing(whining):
"PGI is the devil, they're not getting anymore money from me! They are soul-sucking scumbags and I hate them! If they don't do what I say, then I'm done with game and uninstalling now. I'm taking my money elsewhere like Star Citizen!"

This is discussing concerns:
"I like the clan mechs, but the pricing is what worries me."

I just think that the Clan mech prices should be based around their tonnage and weight class. Not as split reinforcements. For example, if the Timby was $180 instead of $210 due to its tonnage along with bundled mechs, that would be fine. The same for the 100-ton Dire Wolf if it had cost $240.

Edited by Will9761, 14 December 2013 - 10:28 PM.

[Quaamik]

Right on the money.

The packages don't sweeten. Personally, I want a Timber Wolf bad. But I have no use for 21 additional mechs in my stable. Currently, I find there is only 2 or three mechs I ever actually play. The rest I've either sold, or sit in my stable (with me wondering why I haven't sold them). If I bought the Mad Cat package, I'd probably find myself only playing the Timber Wolf, Dire Wolf and Adder mechs to pilot master level, and probably only one of each chassis long enough to reach expert. The others would gather dust.

I hope they come out with a package that will let you pick 1 chassis (3 variants of the one mech) for around $30 - $40 US. Even if it was pre-order of just a single mech (single variant) for $10 - $20 US I'd be interested. I wouldn't mind paying a premium per mech to get just the few wanted, but I can't see dropping $210 - $240 at once, sigh unseen, just to get a package that will net me a Timber Wolf.

[Danger_Noodle]

Thank you PGI. This does come as a bit of a surprise, and if implemented correctly, Clan equipment would go a long way toward soothing over some of the previous discrepancies your comunity has experienced with you in the past. It could be a new start.

With that said, publishing advertisements and buy-through links without any actual display of the realities of the product does reek a little of desperation. We know what clan mechs *may* look like. We do not know how they perform or how they will be implimented. I want to like clan mechs. The $240 entry-barrier for my favorite mech's in your package is a little steep for what is essentially a blind-purchase item. If you would like to sell more of these packages, please demonstrate to us how clan mechs are actually valuable. THEN, ask for our money, and not until then.

[Wolf Clearwater]

Quaamik, on 14 December 2013 - 10:15 AM, said:

Right on the money.

The packages don't sweeten. Personally, I want a Timber Wolf bad. But I have no use for 21 additional mechs in my stable. Currently, I find there is only 2 or three mechs I ever actually play. The rest I've either sold, or sit in my stable (with me wondering why I haven't sold them). If I bought the Mad Cat package, I'd probably find myself only playing the Timber Wolf, Dire Wolf and Adder mechs to pilot master level, and probably only one of each chassis long enough to reach expert. The others would gather dust.

I hope they come out with a package that will let you pick 1 chassis (3 variants of the one mech) for around $30 - $40 US. Even if it was pre-order of just a single mech (single variant) for $10 - $20 US I'd be interested. I wouldn't mind paying a premium per mech to get just the few wanted, but I can't see dropping $210 - $240 at once, sigh unseen, just to get a package that will net me a Timber Wolf.

I am sure it is no accident that the Timber Wolf is placed where it is.

[Creasy Bear]

I have bought the phoenix and the saber package. Which mech do I use now from my famous overlord package? Just one of the shadowhawks. In the case of the other phoenixmechs, I don´t like the hardpoint restrictions or the lack of Jumpjets or the low speed. If they want me to buy some of the clanmechs, they have to tell me the hardpoints of all the mechs they want to sell, before I buy them. And I don´t want to buy a package for 200 bucks, just to get my favourite mech.
(I have to feed a family!)
I like to pay for the one mech (+variants) which I want to play. Not for the other mechs i don´t need !!!
And I don´t have to. It would be nice to play as a Ghost Bear, but now I stay a Davion and use my phract 3D with the ac20 and the 3 med Laser to kill every Khan Mech and each Dev I could reach.

New game modes?
CW ?
Lobby ?
Fullfill your promises !!!

Edited by Creasy Bear, 14 December 2013 - 11:28 AM.

[Mr Blonde]

What hasn't been addressed is the silliness of all these clan mechs just being mixed into the same old deathmatches we've had since 2011. Guess any semblance of simulating the BT universe is officially out the window. Very sad how the high hopes for the game have devolved into continual cash grabs. If CW were in place and Clan equipment restricted to Clan faction use I would be buying all of it instead of writing this.

[MischiefSC]

It's worth mentioning -

If release formats are similar you'll be able to get a Timber Wolf for cbills in Dec of 2014. 12 months from now. Clan assault mechs in 2015.

Possibly longer.

[FireSlade]

Koniving, on 13 December 2013 - 10:48 PM, said:

Akin to the Phoenix package, the 210 is for the Timberwolf and everything below it.

That said, please check out my feedback to the clan package. It gives my realistic estimates of sizes based on the concept art in addition to a request to split the clan package into two separate package groups to help players reach the mechs they want.

I know that you get everything below it too so 21 mechs in total and 10 dollars a mech is a deal. It just that the only one I really care about is the Timber Wolf and would have been willing to pay $60 dollars to be able to pick it like they did with the founder's package back at the beginning. As it is right now my funds are tight, thanks to me kissing the back of a pickup while riding my bike last spring, so PGI may or may not have cost themselves any sales from me depending on how I am financially, come June. If I cannot swing it I guess I will stop playing until January 2015 so that I do not have to see the Timber Wolf knowing that I cannot use it. Sucks but oh well, nothing that I can do about it.

[Koniving]

FireSlade, on 14 December 2013 - 11:22 AM, said:

I know that you get everything below it too so 21 mechs in total and 10 dollars a mech is a deal. It just that the only one I really care about is the Timber Wolf and would have been willing to pay $60 dollars to be able to pick it like they did with the founder's package back at the beginning. As it is right now my funds are tight, thanks to me kissing the back of a pickup while riding my bike last spring, so PGI may or may not have cost themselves any sales from me depending on how I am financially, come June. If I cannot swing it I guess I will stop playing until January 2015 so that I do not have to see the Timber Wolf knowing that I cannot use it. Sucks but oh well, nothing that I can do about it.

I don't think it'll go anywhere, but I'm hoping to get them to split it into two separate tiers. One with the first four, the other with the second four.

It'd put Adder, Ryoken and Timberwolf at 90 dollars. It isn't much but it'll help.

What irks me is the gold mech prices. 500 for a single mech painted gold in a non-changeable paint scheme?

[madmac451]

mechs are wonderfull and needed but i keep hoping that the developer will pull a 180 and start putting in content that would keep the game fresh ie more maps and game modes dx and cw and a working ui 2.0 unit colision. alot of people have gotten disgusted and left our little group waiting for stuff that should have been here and tested by the beta testers long before open beta let alone the live launch but atleast the game fells like a beta now

Edited by madmac451, 14 December 2013 - 11:32 PM.

[Firemage]

Koniving, on 14 December 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

I don't think it'll go anywhere, but I'm hoping to get them to split it into two separate tiers. One with the first four, the other with the second four.

It'd put Adder, Ryoken and Timberwolf at 90 dollars. It isn't much but it'll help.

What irks me is the gold mech prices. 500 for a single mech painted gold in a non-changeable paint scheme?

I had the random idea that they should offer "weight packages" eg a package where you just get mechs of that weight segment. Both heavies, both lights, both mediums, both assaults.

I think of this of this in hindsight of the pheonix package, as people can see i'm an overlord (and founder), and while i can work it out in the battlemasters, anything lighter than 60 tons just perplexs me, so i've got my thunderbolts masters but i fear the shadowhawks and lights will langish in my mech bays collecting dust.

I'm a heavy pilot and partial to jack of all trades mechs (the stock timber wolf makes me drool), i would happily pay for a "Heavy Star" package for 60$ish and get the 2 heavy models, i honestly thing PGI would make MORE money doing this as you'd get people who like me say i'd love to get X mech but i really don't want Y mechs sitting around collecting dust.

Either way i'll be waiting to get anything as 210$ is half my student loan payment pey month.

-G

[Haakon Valravn]

FireSlade, on 14 December 2013 - 11:22 AM, said:

I know that you get everything below it too so 21 mechs in total and 10 dollars a mech is a deal. It just that the only one I really care about is the Timber Wolf and would have been willing to pay $60 dollars to be able to pick it like they did with the founder's package back at the beginning. As it is right now my funds are tight, thanks to me kissing the back of a pickup while riding my bike last spring, so PGI may or may not have cost themselves any sales from me depending on how I am financially, come June. If I cannot swing it I guess I will stop playing until January 2015 so that I do not have to see the Timber Wolf knowing that I cannot use it. Sucks but oh well, nothing that I can do about it.

I'm sick of hearing that $10 a 'Mech is a good deal.

I'm sure it is. If you want and will use all of the 'Mechs: I still haven't touched half of my Phoenix 'Mechs (likely never will, either) and that doesn't include the two/six I'm getting on Tuesday.

If you just want the Warhawk, it's $80 a 'Mech. (Actually it's $240 for one 'Mech, but who is counting?)

If I offer you 100 cars for $100,000, sure it's only $1,000 a car. But you still have to spend $100,000 and get stuck with 95+ cars that you don't have room for, don't have use for, and cannot resell (except in exchange for funny money which you can only spend at my car shop). Oh, and they are actually just 10 sets of 10 cars, each.

Edited by Haakon Valravn, 14 December 2013 - 12:01 PM.

[Brockobi Samsobi]

No this is ridiculous, if PGI does read this, please, please, please!!! ...take back this stupid 'sale' and please DO NOT offer this until you have an actual 'game'. You know, one that has that stuff you promised ages ago...

Hell, I have only been playing regularly since the end of August and I'm already jaded after the Pheonix package and MC purchase ($200 wasted...). Also, even the most die-hard series like any of the Blizzard games never cost this much for a lousy in-game item that no one will know how it actually works out in game.

Look, I have sympathy for it being Xmas time and not wanting to get the grind back on until Jan 1st. But it was a mistake to start this sale and a bigger mistake to offer this before any of the core features are up and running. It makes me feel like my money's wasted and I'll have to wait another decade before another gaming company will pick up the torch again.

Congratulations...

[Jaroth Corbett]

Jazriel, on 13 December 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:

This is still way better then Mechwarrior 4.

10 years of saving, thats $25 a year. so worth it for a great game.

HoW is this better? MW4 had Clan Mechs from the start as well as a lobby & the ability to make private matches. The problem is just like with KOTOR, instead of making KOTOR 3, those devs decided to make a purely multiplayer experience to cash grab with TOR & it tanked. Instead of making MW5, these devs decided to make this. Why after everything we have been through, would they still not give us CW, tell us in advance that UI2.0 will not be ironed out but will be released glitchy & buggy for us to be frustrated & now have the nerve to ask for exorbitant amounts of money?

Edited by Jaroth Corbett, 14 December 2013 - 12:33 PM.

[stinkypuppy]

i agree with haakon valravn 10 dollars per mech are not a good deal when you are paying 30 dollars for 3 of the same mech with slightly different variations, also 10 dollars per mech? should be like 5 dollars, you can buy a expansion pack for a regular game that has more content than 8 clan mech chassis and that only costs 15 dollars. look at the skyrim DLC, massive worlds and more quests and huge amounts of content and play time and only a fraction of the price. im honistly surprised pgi has not already scared off the rest of the community to another certian fan made battletech game that is free for the entire expirience. with that phrase im not saying make everything in the game free but i am saying reduce the prices, currently it seems like a better finacial decision to take up a different hobby like building model airplanes, also i would justify 10 dollars a mech if we got little metal figures with it but 10 dollars for one variation of a chassis of a piece of data for a game that is on a downward slope is really risky.

maybe i would consider buying this if it was like 160-180 dollars or i would only really buy it for 240 if community warfare end up being the best thing ever in free to play gaming history.

i would laugh if this sale is because pgi is sercretly like "UH OH we accidentally spent all the phoenix money on anything other than CW"

basically what you need to convince people to buy this package is all of the items on this upcoming list if you want to keep the 240 pricetag.

- community warfare release and it actually being awesome and not just some "oh we will fix the problems soon"
- more maps, walking towards the enemy and shooting is not that fun when you do the same maps over and over.
- more game modes, i need more things to do rather than kill and stand in a capture box.
- C-bill earning increase, its way to low and the grind is too high and i still have not activated my overlord premium time because it just seems useless.
- more info, im not dropping 240 dollars on a game that may or may not be here in 6 months, or im not even dropping 240 on some mechs that i dont even know how they will be balanced.
- the mechs need to be proved that they will look nice in game, i was dissapointed when i saw the thunderbolt and battlemaster in game compared to their concept art as they looked pretty ugly, if i spend tonnes of money on these mechs i want to make sure the timberwolf wont be a catapult base and cataphract arms and legs cobbled together.
- CW needs to be REALLY GOOD to justify a 240 price tag and it should come with some nice goodies too for cw like high relations for the clans and a garrenteed spot in the clan of your choice as well as some stuff like a special clan dropship that has enough space to carry your 24 clan mech collection.

[CyclonerM]

Jaroth Corbett, on 14 December 2013 - 12:32 PM, said:

HoW is this better? MW4 had Clan Mechs from the start as well as a lobby & the ability to make private matches. The problem is just like with KOTOR, instead of making KOTOR 3, those devs decided to make a purely multiplayer experience to cash grab with TOR & it tanked. Instead of making MW5, these devs decided to make this. Why after everything we have been through, would they still not give us CW, tell us in advance that UI2.0 will not be ironed out but will be released glitchy & buggy for us to be frustrated & now have the nerve to ask for exorbitant amounts of money?

I always thought that no one wanted to finance MW5..

And look at how Clan 'Mechs are in MW4: they chose the easiest route, BattleMechs instead of OmniMechs with a few omni hardpoints and totally better weapons which made outdated IS tech.