Marack Drock, on 31 December 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:
Nicolas started instituting rules and stuff that makes it so you can't have a sire name without killing someone.
Wrong. You have to DEFEAT all contenders; you do not necessarily have to kill them.
Nicholas created a new society free from the corruption of the IS. New ways of doing things were inevitable.
Marack Drock, on 31 December 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:
Or how about the Not Named Clan. They got wiped out and no one knows why.
Wrong. We DO know why. They refused to abide by the rules. They lost a Trial of Refusal regarding a Brian Cache & refused to grant access to the victors. They defied the Founder & the Clan way of life in open council.
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In 2823, Clan Wolverine rejected a Grand Council decision on the division of equipment found in a Brian Cache in Wolverine territory, claiming that the cache belonged to Clan Wolverine alone. They invoked a Trial of Refusal and lost. They did not accept the ruling, but shocked the rest of the Clans by declaring Clan Wolverine totally independent.
They also used a nuclear device which was not allowed & wiped out a genetic repository tantamount to g e n o c i d e.
Marack Drock, on 31 December 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:
The reason we cast aside the stuff is because no one knows what Kerensky said.
Wrong. We DO know what he said.
Marack Drock, on 31 December 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:
Ghost Bear decided to become a part of the Inner Sphere yet they still remain a Clan (how can that be?)
We started as the Ghost Bear Dominion & eventually became the Rasalhague Dominion.
Marack Drock, on 31 December 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:
I will take Kerensky when I know what he was doing. No one knows so how can you say what is true?
By opening a book & doing this thing we call "reading".
Marack Drock, on 31 December 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:
Every single Clan has a different view on Kerensky which means none of them can be accurate or true (Logic)
Logic? You do not even know the meaning of the word.
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Logic, it is often said, is the study of valid arguments. It is a systematic attempt to distinguish valid arguments from invalid arguments. At this stage that characterization suffers from the fault of explaining the obscure in terms of the equally obscure. For what after all is validity? Or, for that matter, what is an argument? Beginning with the latter easier notion we can say that an argument has one or more premises and a conclusion. In advancing an argument one purports that the premise or premises support the conclusion.
Logic is the systematic study of valid arguments. This means that we will be developing rigorous techniques for determining whether arguments are valid.
An argument is valid if it has the property that if the premises were true the conclusion would have to be true. Why should we be especially interested in validity? It turns out that validity is a particularly nice property for an argument to have. For if you reason validly (that is, if your reasoning can be represented by a valid argument) and if you start with true premises you will never be led into error. And if you can get someone else to accept your premises as true, he has to accept as true anything which follows validly from those premises.
Why should one be interested in the study of logic? One pat answer to this question frequently given in elementary texts is that the study of logic will improve one’s powers of reasoning. Having learned techniques for distinguishing between valid and invalid arguments, one will be less prone to pass from true beliefs to false conclusions and better able to spot the fallacies in the arguments of others.
from Logic: An Introductory Course by W.H. Newton-Smith (revised & corrected)
The Clans are divided into two camps, Crusaders & Wardens. There are TWO views. One side has to be right.
Yeah I wonder why they could never specify those "outside threats"...........
Here is some logic for you.
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Perhaps, one day, should mankind step back from the brink of the abyss, we, our children, or our children's children will return, to once more serve and protect and guide the Star League in mankind's quest for the stars.
That is the famous quote Wardens use to state their case, except with this thing called logic, it actually strengthens the Crusader cause.
Should is a reactionary word & IF the IS had stepped back, I would be a Warden; but they did not. The Great Father said if x happens we do y. X did not happen. The pre-condition was NEVER fulfilled. 4 Succession Wars + 1 Kentares Massacre = diving headfirst into the abyss. So following logic, you should be a Crusader because that is what The Great Father said.
Marack Drock, on 31 December 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:
Also why do you need to have your warriors born in a can?
If you had done ANY reading you would know these things.
Edited by Jaroth Corbett, 31 December 2013 - 04:55 PM.
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