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[Almond Brown]

babadude71, on 02 January 2014 - 08:39 AM, said:

It is relevant in the time frame that MWO has been in existence, i can only assume that during the development stages alpha and beta that issues have been raised and yet to be dealt with, attempts have been made agreeably, but not fixed to point of stability. Since the game has been released and claimed to be live exactly what has been done to ensure that players stay with the game? just speculation on whats coming and when, but months down the line the community are still waiting, DX11 is said to be ready, with the current state of the community don't you think it would have made perfect sense to implement it straight away instead of holding onto it and then releasing the clan mechs before the other mech package has even finished rolling out?
Reading through the patch notes minimal effort has been made towards in game content, stability, back bone fixes but alas maximum effort has been made towards selling mechs, packages, colors and more but the people who are spending their money are not seeing the benefits of this.

So in short, if the developers had focused more on this game and provided a more refined polished version of what we have now then we wouldn't be posting such pictures, its a classic case of finish what you have started before moving onto something else.

Dude, welcome to the new gaming reality. Before F2P deals, you would not see a lick about a games progress for at least 2-2.5 years. I remember trying out games that had been 2-2.5 years into production that weren't near this polished.

When did it start to only take 12 months to create a final product for a PC game? That is the problem around here, to many armchair Developers who couldn't buy a clue about the whole process, with C-Bills no less, and yet give then a week, maybe 2 in the "CODE" and we would all be hunky dory and good to go...

This place does have its own sort of charm though eh...

[Mudhutwarrior]

Joseph Mallan, on 02 January 2014 - 08:47 AM, said:

I lost empathy for whiners on my 3rd day playing MW:O. Back when I couldn't get my weapons to group the way I wanted em. Teams playing against teams is what this game is supposed to be about. If you expect to have a 'fair' chance at winning you need to have VOiP in game or otherwise. If you are here to just have some fun shooting other pixels, then you can do that no matter the team's end results. I have plenty of fun, not when I do crappy in game, but I own that. No blaming anything or anyone for me not having fun.

I read a lot of "I am not winning and I am supposed to". I call whining whine. Have you ever seen me call anything StJobe says Whine? I disagree with quite a few members, but the ones who don't whine get respect, even when I disagree with them. (o7 StJobe!)

This is a bunch of whine. We don't have in game VOiP, We do have DEV supported TS3 Servers in the mean time. So to have the same advantages as pre mades do you just need to get on the free to use server and link up with some players more than once.

Your deluded. You call it a team game and its nothing of the sort. Its a game of sorority's.
Teams are 12 men not 4 or 8 and the rest fill.

So bloody ridiculous lacking all common sense.

[WarHippy]

Mudhutwarrior, on 02 January 2014 - 07:38 AM, said:

More groupthink. Insult and debase your perceived enemies in the groupthink hive and lose all empathy for them.

Is it really any different than how you are acting? I will give you a hint you have less of an argument than anyone else in this thread. You accuse people of insulting and debasing when that is exactly what you are doing every time you repeat the same tired dismissive accusation that they are nothing more than mindless followers. Find a real argument if you want a serious discussion.

[babadude71]

Khajja nar Jatargk, on 02 January 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

I'm glad somebody else noticed it. I'm back to being convinced hes some disgruntled founder's troll account

You are entitled to your opinion of thinking that im some furious founder trolling, but i can assure you that you couldnt be further from the truth, i won't justify myself here but if you really want to know more about me and my objective here then P.M me, i will be more than happy to set straight your suspicions.

[Mudhutwarrior]

WarHippy, on 02 January 2014 - 08:51 AM, said:

Is it really any different than how you are acting? I will give you a hint you have less of an argument than anyone else in this thread. You accuse people of insulting and debasing when that is exactly what you are doing every time you repeat the same tired dismissive accusation that they are nothing more than mindless followers. Find a real argument if you want a serious discussion.

You must have missed it in your blind fury.

Mudhutwarrior, on 02 January 2014 - 07:18 AM, said:

Just ridiculous. Every military engagement is won by communications, timely intell and squad training and familiarity. Premades have at least the first two pugs have none.

Try common sense for a while.

Not an argument? or Not understood?

[Piney II]

Joseph Mallan, on 02 January 2014 - 08:47 AM, said:

I lost empathy for whiners on my 3rd day playing MW:O. Back when I couldn't get my weapons to group the way I wanted em. Teams playing against teams is what this game is supposed to be about. If you expect to have a 'fair' chance at winning you need to have VOiP in game or otherwise. If you are here to just have some fun shooting other pixels, then you can do that no matter the team's end results. I have plenty of fun, not when I do crappy in game, but I own that. No blaming anything or anyone for me not having fun.

I read a lot of "I am not winning and I am supposed to". I call whining whine. Have you ever seen me call anything StJobe says Whine? I disagree with quite a few members, but the ones who don't whine get respect, even when I disagree with them. (o7 StJobe!)

This is a bunch of whine. We don't have in game VOiP, We do have DEV supported TS3 Servers in the mean time. So to have the same advantages as pre mades do you just need to get on the free to use server and link up with some players more than once.

Well said, sir.

[Varent]

babadude71, on 02 January 2014 - 08:55 AM, said:

You are entitled to your opinion of thinking that im some furious founder trolling, but i can assure you that you couldnt be further from the truth, i won't justify myself here but if you really want to know more about me and my objective here then P.M me, i will be more than happy to set straight your suspicions.

Hey Baba.

I know this guy. Hes not a founder troll. hes kinda new to the game really.

That said this is mostly something pgi doesnt have control over buddy. If you complain for anything complain for a better way to track people that log out of a game. Thats mostly what it is.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mudhutwarrior, on 02 January 2014 - 08:49 AM, said:

Your deluded. You call it a team game and its nothing of the sort. Its a game of sorority's.
Teams are 12 men not 4 or 8 and the rest fill.

So bloody ridiculous lacking all common sense.

That is cause in CB PUGs where whining to get their due in a 'TEAM' game. I played against 8 man groups on Comms all the time. Lost plenty of them too. As I should have since the best team is supposed to win. And the best team is the one that works together and communicates. When I reached a 1.0 K/D that is when I joined the Law.

I have always looked at it as I just had a drop against the Dragoons or ELH or any other Elite group. As I know I am not an Elite player(Despite my Founder's tag) I do not expect to much out of my game play.

If I am not part of a pre made team I don't expect to win.
If I am part of Law drop I expect us to have a better chance of controlling the match.

YMMV

[Joseph Mallan]

Mudhutwarrior, on 02 January 2014 - 07:18 AM, said:

Just ridiculous. Every military engagement is won by communications, timely intell and squad training and familiarity. Premades have at least the first two pugs have none.

Try common sense for a while.

And if you are not using Comms you have already lost the engagement. They are out there. You choose to use em or you choose to not. I have played since March in Silence for the most part and I am not seeing a problem that I didn't in my first month of play.

When My enemy is better coordinated than my team I will lose.If I am not going to use the advantages found on the TS servers I cannot tell teh folks using them to stop. I also don't want them out of my game when PUGging, cause I need that reminder that there are MUCH better players out there than me.

[Varent]

Joseph Mallan, on 02 January 2014 - 08:59 AM, said:

That is cause in CB PUGs where whining to get their due in a 'TEAM' game. I played against 8 man groups on Comms all the time. Lost plenty of them too. As I should have since the best team is supposed to win. And the best team is the one that works together and communicates. When I reached a 1.0 K/D that is when I joined the Law.

I have always looked at it as I just had a drop against the Dragoons or ELH or any other Elite group. As I know I am not an Elite player(Despite my Founder's tag) I do not expect to much out of my game play.

If I am not part of a pre made team I don't expect to win.
If I am part of Law drop I expect us to have a better chance of controlling the match.

YMMV

It is a team game, if you dont drop with a group of 4 your asking to fail.

Think of it like this.

You are a mechwarrior. What and why would you be dropping with 12 guys you dont know? There is specific reasons why its a group of 4 to drop with in pugs, its to simulate a lance and really how this game should be played. Find three other guys to play with or join a guild. period.

[GoManGo]

When the 3stooges of PGI/IGP/Russ/Brian/Kelly decided to lump all players into a failed MM system I knew the game was going down hill.They should have made separate queues for pugs and premade teams long ago.Each with 2v2-12v12 game modes to satisfy veterans and new players.But t be honest I do not think the devs are very bright or educated in the process of game development and I wish to pay into MWO if it was a true MechWarrior game like MechWarrior 4 was only better.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Joseph Mallan, on 02 January 2014 - 08:59 AM, said:

That is cause in CB PUGs where whining to get their due in a 'TEAM' game. I played against 8 man groups on Comms all the time. Lost plenty of them too. As I should have since the best team is supposed to win. And the best team is the one that works together and communicates. When I reached a 1.0 K/D that is when I joined the Law.

I have always looked at it as I just had a drop against the Dragoons or ELH or any other Elite group. As I know I am not an Elite player(Despite my Founder's tag) I do not expect to much out of my game play.

If I am not part of a pre made team I don't expect to win.
If I am part of Law drop I expect us to have a better chance of controlling the match.

YMMV

Just continue to dance around my only argument.

Again. Comms, Timely intell and Familiarity with teamates win matches. Pugs get none of that. I just want the first two.

It would benefit pugs, Noobs and causal players. It will also make it more challenging for teams to come against them.

I see no downside unless your intent is to exploit a clear advantage.

Explain anything in that argument you take issue with without going outside those parameters with bull and fluff.

[WarHippy]

Mudhutwarrior, on 02 January 2014 - 08:55 AM, said:

You must have missed it in your blind fury.

Blind fury? What blind fury? I'm just pointing out your hypocrasy while I figure out what to have for lunch.

Mudhutwarrior, on 02 January 2014 - 08:55 AM, said:

Not an argument? or Not understood?

That isn't an argument so much as you making a somewhat irrelevant statement. Sometimes the win is nothing more than dumb luck. The problem is that the loser makes excuses, and the winner proclaims an accident as tactical genius when it was far from it. Communication certainly helps but it isn't perfect, nor is it an insurmountable obstacle for the opposition.

Edited by WarHippy, 02 January 2014 - 09:14 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mudhutwarrior, on 02 January 2014 - 09:10 AM, said:

Just continue to dance around my only argument.

Again. Comms, Timely intell and Familiarity with teamates win matches. Pugs get none of that. I just want the first two.

It would benefit pugs, Noobs and causal players. It will also make it more challenging for teams to come against them.

I see no downside unless your intent is to exploit a clear advantage.

Explain anything in that argument you take issue with without going outside those parameters with bull and fluff.

Not dancing around it in the least. There are Comms out there. We all know VOiP is not coming anytime soon, but there is a way to get that. All you have to do is find 3 other players to drop with you repeatedly. I can do that on ComStar in a matter of minutes. So we can (and will) continue to have this dance due to us both being to stubborn to back down.

[oldradagast]

While there are valid complaints about the matchmaker, it seems a bit over the top to get this angry over disconnects. They happen, and there's not much the matchmaker can do about it. I mean, I guess it could in theory be reprogrammed to kick out disconnects and look for other players... maybe... though that would take longer... Long story short, even a perfect matchmaker will produce frustrating matches when mass disconnects happen.

A quick "fix" = give a small XP and Cbill percentage boost to the team who's down a mech (or more) starting after the startup sequence. It's a small thing, but it might take a bit of the edge off the frustration.

[Mudhutwarrior]

WarHippy, on 02 January 2014 - 09:12 AM, said:

Blind fury? What blind fury? I'm just pointing out your hypocrasy while I figure out what to have for lunch.


That isn't an argument so much as you making a somewhat irrelevant statement. Sometimes the win is nothing more than dumb luck. The problem is that the loser makes excuses, and the winner proclaims an accident as tactical genius when it was far from it. Communication certainly helps but it isn't perfect, nor is it an insurmountable obstacle for the opposition.

Wow. I had to save that one......

Yeah, Sending this to SOCOM. they need to know they are wasting money on irrelevant communications.

[Joseph Mallan]

Varent, on 02 January 2014 - 09:06 AM, said:

It is a team game, if you dont drop with a group of 4 your asking to fail.

Think of it like this.

You are a mechwarrior. What and why would you be dropping with 12 guys you dont know? There is specific reasons why its a group of 4 to drop with in pugs, its to simulate a lance and really how this game should be played. Find three other guys to play with or join a guild. period.

OR

If you are just looking to let off some steam. Drop PUG, forget about the final win, do your best to kill as many enemy as possible and revel in that.

4 Kills 700+ damage(Cool!) We lost? Ok. I got 4 kills!

0 Kills 150 damage(Sucks!) We Won? Ok. But I still sucked!

If you are playing in silence when Comms are out there to be used... Don't hate the game hate the player(meaning yourself).

[990Dreams]

• You can't do anything about 0 pinged players*
  
• You can't do anything about dicons*
  
• And sometimes there just aren't enough people available to fill all the slots (available as in some are in groups, some in matches, some haven't launched and sometimes there aren't enough people online [at least in your gamemode]).

True story though: Once the enemy team has two 0 pings and 4 disconnects. One of our guys still managed to die.

*The one thing you CAN do is to remodel the MM to swap people who are 0 pinged for a certain amount of time and to swap DCs

Edited by DavidHurricane, 02 January 2014 - 09:38 AM.

[babadude71]

Look im sorry if i have offended or upset anyone with my post.

I have always believed that speaking up helps to get things noticed and possibly fixed or replaced, this is my intention, but i will not soften my words for the sake of sparing someones feelings there is enough of that type of mentality in schools where everyone gets a medal for taking part win or lose, so no matter how much effort you put into something you get rewarded.

So is it okay for me to show up to work, do absolutely nothing and still expect to get paid just because i showed up?
The principle is the same and can be applied here, people are paying for something that could of been fixed and amended a long time ago but because they showed up and said it was going to happen its okay?

I enjoy the game for what it is and nothing more, i would enjoy the game alot more if it was more stable and balanced, i would spend money if there was more content and a meta game. But as it stands at this moment in time i'm a recruit with a very friendly and helpful clan of whom are teaching me the ropes and the maps and i really appreciate that tnx MWS.

I speak out as a new player in the hope that someone with the power to change things takes heed and starts the process of better front end experience for potential future long term MWO players, my post is it not whine as some perceive it to be, i am merely pointing out where certain problems lay, i can assure you that my words are spoken with experience as a player and from a business perspective.

Slam me, troll me all you wish, disbelieve me if you like, i dont really give damn. But i do give a damn about the new player experience and the future of this game title, if i didn't then my words would be just that, words without substance nor any passion or real meaning.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Joseph Mallan, on 02 January 2014 - 09:23 AM, said:

OR

If you are just looking to let off some steam. Drop PUG, forget about the final win, do your best to kill as many enemy as possible and revel in that.

4 Kills 700+ damage(Cool!) We lost? Ok. I got 4 kills!

0 Kills 150 damage(Sucks!) We Won? Ok. But I still sucked!

If you are playing in silence when Comms are out there to be used... Don't hate the game hate the player(meaning yourself).

Yeah Joe your so believable being this is the only subject you defend religiously. I don' t see you sticking with the nerf warrior threads with such vigor.
Fact is no one is asking for a nerf with this. It will make the gameplay better and increase the challenge for those of you on teamspeak. It will help Pugs, Noobs and Casuals.

It will not help premades looking for and exploit to take clear advantage.

I think we get what your really after in all this by now.