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[Tarzilman]

Ashvins, on 22 January 2014 - 09:48 AM, said:

Look if you can't say something constructive say nothing at all. If you'd ever had a true migraine you would not call it whining, it would be a legitimate complaint. As far as the monitor comment, you apparently have no ideal what your talking about. Everyone's eyes adjust to the depth of your field of view. With any monitor you can't adjust it, it is a FLAT SCREEN with NO DEPTH.

Toning the effect down may help. But removing it WILL help. Roll back or toggle matters not to me as long as it can be removed for me at the very least. They can take it back to the test server to tune it or just give us a toggle for now.

At current unless i want a migraine (trust me I'm not masochistic) the game is unplayable for me.

You wanna know, what I think? Of course you won't, but I'll tell you anyway.
With migraine you should stop playing videogames for good. There are many reasons for migraine. You should spend your time in finding out, what this reasons could be. To go on fast may help, I've read something about that.
Surely you should stop debating on the forums with ppl that just don't care about the minor amount of players with motion sickness or other handicaps.
That will help you, trust me.

You think, keeping cockpit glass as it is would be an unfair behaviour of PGI? I tell you what, they shouldn't care about that minority.
I'm sorry for those of you, who are seriously handicapped, really!
But in my opinion there are many ppl out there just keep whining about everything because they lack of skill, balls, personal life or just brain.

Edited by Tarzilman, 22 January 2014 - 10:15 AM.

[Ransack]

Played for a few hours last night, and honestly if someone hadn't pointed it out, I would not have noticed it.

I'm sorry for those that it is giving real issues to, but it seems anything that they do to add some sort of immersion causes someone to have some sort of physical issue.

oh well, nice try PGI.

[Ashvins]

Tarzilman, on 22 January 2014 - 10:07 AM, said:

You wanna know, what I think? Of course you won't, but I'll tell you anyway.
With migraine you should stop playing videogames for good. There are many reasons for migraine. You should spend your time in finding out, what this reasons could be. To go on fast may help, I've read something about that.
Surely you should stop debating on the forums with ppl that just don't care about the minor amount of players with motion sickness or other handicaps.
That will help you, trust me.

You think, keeping cockpit glass as it is would be an unfair behaviour of PGI? I tell you what, they shouldn't care about that minority.
I'm sorry for those of you, who are seriously handicapped, really!
But in my opinion there are many ppl out there just keep whining about everything because they lack of skill, balls, personal life or just brain.

Putting aside the physical issues people are having, we are talking about a high tech war machine. So you think having a visual effect that simulates decades old 1900's technology without even a fracking windshield wiper is an improvement??????

The glare effects are fine, damage shown from cockpit hits I'll deal with, but pitted, dusty, dirty, old glass in 3050 I have a major issue with even if it didn't cause me a migraine from the way they implemented it. We have the technology now to deal the the effects they put in, yet a mech from 2000+ years in the future uses pre 1905 (the year the windshield wiper was invented) technology. Even if you want to make the argument that the mech is 100+ years old or something like it, a new windshield I'd pay for for every damn match if needed to get rid of this STUPID effect.

FYI yesterday was the first time in over 2 decades that I have had a migraine and it was thanks to the few matches I played on MWO. So keep your personal opinions about any persons health out of this please. I'm not hating on you but your being inconsiderate to others.

As far as me debating this on the forums with you well, I can't play MWO right now so I may as well become a forum warrior.

[Napoleon_Blownapart]

noone wants to know what you think.

[C Leche]

I like the new glass effect as it seems to require more perception from the pilot to be able to notice things in your peripheral view. I feel it also benefits brawlers since they can use this to their advantage to perform a flank maneuver and get in close where you need to be. I was having quite a bit more fun last night with my brawler builds as a testament to this.

However I think that there could be a middle ground for those that are having issues with this new feature:
I would suggest that to leave a clean polished area of glass directly under the reticle when your view is centered on the cockpit. This may help with those having problems with motion sickness and would also address the issue with the zoom module.

I agree with those that suggest a toggle would not be fair. It should be on for all players or not at all, with the exception of private matches perhaps.

[Bront]

R Razor, on 21 January 2014 - 06:47 PM, said:

Like I said, QQ some more.

The clowns begging for a toggle would merely use it to their advantage to give them a better view at range.........like the guys QQing about fog, haze etc......

I wish it was that simple Razor.

I get painful eye strain and start to feel nauseous after playing for a while now with the cockpit. I'm going to try again in a day or so, but if I can't turn it off and it doesn't stop, I'll have to quit for a while.

On the other hand, I found it didn't hurt my ability to aim at all and the effect was hardly noticeable in terms of game play, but it seems to be playing tricks on my eyes.

[Rawyn]

Motion sickness ? Headaches ? This was already a [redacted] argument for the reduction of jump shake, but
cockpit glass should be the cause of this ? C'mon...really ?

May I present to you "Rawyn's Quick Guide to avoid Motion Sickness ™":
(Compiled from various sources)



If that doesn't help, then I'm sorry, but 3D games aren't your thing. Or you're some kind of person who'd also sue the heck out of EA because you had to throw up after playing Mirror's Edge.

[Serapth]

Rawyn, on 22 January 2014 - 11:33 AM, said:

If that doesn't help, then I'm sorry, but 3D games aren't your thing. Or you're some kind of person who'd also sue the heck out of EA because you had to throw up after playing Mirror's Edge.

... I suppose if Mirror's Edge had a HUD that might in some way be relevant. Every issue causing motion issues has been a disconnect between the moving world and the cockpit.

[Rawyn]

It's also called monitor frame. Doesn't move, too and is also in our peripheral field of view.
That's also tip #2. If you sit so close to your monitor, that you can hardly see the surrounding area, you're basically
forcing your senses to become messed up. Not an issue if you can still see enough of your not-so-shaky environment.

[Napoleon_Blownapart]

lol on some peoples machines this buggy game can only run on lowest resolution and settings.players are giving feedback on the new effect you are only flaming legitimate posts.i bet your Grid Iron is a cheerleader with a football player statue on the dashboard.

[StalaggtIKE]

OMG, some of you guys get a headache/stomachache/motion sickness/diarrhea from every other change added to the game.

I got news for you...., you just may not be cut out to play this.

[JimboFBX]

The center needs to be transparent. The issue is that on some mechs and maps you have these dust particles bouncing up and down obnoxiously. Steadying the cockpit would help as well

Also maybe some people who didn't clear their shader cache might be seeing an exaggerated effect

[Nihtgenga]

Tarzilman, on 22 January 2014 - 10:07 AM, said:

You think, keeping cockpit glass as it is would be an unfair behaviour of PGI? I tell you what, they shouldn't care about that minority.

The point made was not being unFAIR, it's unHEALTHY. If you think PGI should not care **** about their customers having physical issues with the game, that's your opinion - but you should begin to respect that that's neither the only one, nor the only one reasonable.

Ransack, on 22 January 2014 - 10:11 AM, said:

I'm sorry for those that it is giving real issues to, but it seems anything that they do to add some sort of immersion causes someone to have some sort of physical issue.

There are many things that might give some physical issues, and they can not be circumvented completely - but I do not think it is going too far talking about how strong and numerous such effects have to be. For me, the effect of the cockpit glass is NOT helping the immersion really drasticly (glares are fine, but the non-removable dust and lack of damage are odd), and I did not consider the lack of it before being game-breaking. Thus, it is something optional and I do not mind to reduce it to a level where only really a few people are not able to play the game at all.

I'd neither make it switchable for fairness reasons, nor just plainly remove it as some people like it, but I am not that selfish and just tell other players to f themselves and get lost if they are not satisfied with exactly what my personal optimum would be. As this is a community game, a compromise has to be found that as many members as possible can live with to keep it alive.

[Event Horizon]

Yes this happens to me too. The glass is too "dirty", I can't stand it.

[NRP]

Bull Frog, on 21 January 2014 - 11:16 PM, said:

Back from more tests ( I'll pay for this tomorrow morning) Dropped in a Raven expecting to have more trouble with it due to how the window panes are angled and came up with nothing. I verified and my settings are at High. At this point it's pretty obvious I am not among those that are going to be affected by this but I am still curious. On which map is this worse ? ...and where on those maps ? Does different mech cockpits change something in it ? I am pushing this issue simply because I have yet to run into a situation where has some have described, you are blinded. Anyway, off to bed...

It seems worst when going from a dark area into a light area. HPG manifold is a problematic map. The intensity of the effect also seems to depend on the mech. Last night, my Hunchback 4G was particularly terrible on Crimson Strait.

[BaconTWOfourACTUAL]

Bartholomew bartholomew, on 21 January 2014 - 04:59 PM, said:

Yes it messes with me so much i put in a complaint at support. If you tried driving a car with that bad a windshield you would be wrecked on the side of the road quick.

It ain't giving me a headache but it is burning my eyes.

Maybe I'm just used to having a crappy windshield. When the sun hits my car right, it looks like a map of the stars.

[Burning Chrome]

Another "non-value-added" update/item.

When will gameplay/HSR be improved?

[Cest7]

Some mechs is alright, atlas is looks great. However... some of them seem rushed. The highlander's screen geometry is all fubar, the reflections/refractions are going on a diagonal angle to the glass instead of straight across. A slider or toggle would nice for this effect or if they localized it across all mechs, if it starts to crack and have more stuff on the screen its going to get very distracting. At 3 times zoom I can barely see anything through the dirt on the glass...

Good idea, poor implimentation on some mechs, hopefully it is revisited and not just left like this...

Turning the cockpit light off with "." does nothing.

I would suggest pairing its intensity with the cockpit light.

Edited by Cest7, 22 January 2014 - 02:21 PM.

[Ransack]

Nihtgenga, on 22 January 2014 - 01:23 PM, said:

The point made was not being unFAIR, it's unHEALTHY. If you think PGI should not care **** about their customers having physical issues with the game, that's your opinion - but you should begin to respect that that's neither the only one, nor the only one reasonable.
There are many things that might give some physical issues, and they can not be circumvented completely - but I do not think it is going too far talking about how strong and numerous such effects have to be. For me, the effect of the cockpit glass is NOT helping the immersion really drasticly (glares are fine, but the non-removable dust and lack of damage are odd), and I did not consider the lack of it before being game-breaking. Thus, it is something optional and I do not mind to reduce it to a level where only really a few people are not able to play the game at all.

I'd neither make it switchable for fairness reasons, nor just plainly remove it as some people like it, but I am not that selfish and just tell other players to f themselves and get lost if they are not satisfied with exactly what my personal optimum would be. As this is a community game, a compromise has to be found that as many members as possible can live with to keep it alive.

Though it doesn't affect me, I'm not making light of someone else's health issues. But I wonder how people with these issues can play this game at all with all the screen shaking that happens. From AC's to LRM's there is always something making a shake that does not translate a cross the entire visible area. So to me those dirt smudges will only serve as an annoyance because I can clean them.

I still say nice try PGI. Perhaps you should put it up on the test server and leave the bloody thing open so that people can actually test things. That way all of you efforts don't make people puke after implemented.

[z00med]

R Razor, on 21 January 2014 - 05:04 PM, said:

TL/DR: We can't snipe as easily at long range now?

The glass effect is minimal and the ONLY effect it seems to have is to make long range targeting more difficult, which is a good thing in my opinion.

So freakin SIGNED.
For those making up strange physical effects to create pressure on the Devs, 2 possibilities:
a) you LIE! (if you feel like you cant win without Dual Gauss/ PPC Spam, this is for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV4vHpqrj6E )
b ) if you DON'T LIE: STOP playing any Computer Games immediatly, DONT drive any kind of vehicle, AVOID any source of flashing lights/ sudden dark/light changes in your environment, DONT go swimming/cycling/climbing.
CONSULT A PHYSICIAN ASAP AND GET A FULL CHECKUP considering both epilepsy or a brain tumor (tell him to exclude strabism from potential diagnosis, saves your health system a bit)...

edit: Mimi link added...

edit2: Even if you notice some kind of physical effect from this "additional" effect-layer: I assure you that a healthy human brain (especially ours, used to 3D Graphics and effect overkill), combined with working eyes and intact nerves will get used to this veeery fast. I will be happy to look up several publications on this issue, but this is even more ridiculous than the reactions to JJ shake...

edit3: Look at Rawyns post above, for general hints on gaming w/o side effects. Thanks for the graphics

edit4: Being into medicine myself parts of this thread is giving me the creeps... . Especially for migraine treatment, it is widely known that locking yourself in a dark room with videogames, listening to hard Industrial Tech, running a strobe light and chainsmoking while gaming is THE THERAPY of choice... (*dark sarcasm off*). All these claims seem to come out of a part of the world from where I heard a funny rumour about an old lady who dried her dog in the microwave, then sued the producer cause it wasnt stated in the handbook to "not dry animals" in a microwave. And got millions of compensation instead of gettin punished herself for plain stupidity.

Edited by z00med, 22 January 2014 - 02:48 PM.