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[DistantThunder]

Please remove the refraction simulation on the cockpit's glass!!! It is real hard to see already with a small computer screen. Do you really want everyone to bend their back and blind after playing MWO?

What year is this game simulating? 3050? I can't believe that at this far in time human can't find a way to eliminate the refraction on the cockpit glass!

Edited by DistantThunder, 22 January 2014 - 02:22 PM.

[Spaismahn]

Playing around with it, this feature doesn't seem ready to be live.
1. The worst effect for me is when I'm facing away from the main light source. It frosts my entire window with magic light that travels through my mech. The glass effect is actually nice and minimal when I'm actually facing the main light source.
2. Not only does the magic light travel through the mech, it goes through buildings and even shines up my windshield when I'm in a tunnel.
3. Different mechs emphasize this effect more than others. Visual capabilities of mechs should be as equal as possible across the board.
4. 3rd person view does not have to deal with glass, so it offers another advantage over 1st person view.

From what I understand, mechs were piloted through neural links, so we shouldn't be seeing glass anyway. You know, for those that want the game to be accurate and realistic. Glass should actually be less immersive.

[Bront]

z00med, on 22 January 2014 - 02:16 PM, said:

So freakin SIGNED.
For those making up strange physical effects to create pressure on the Devs, 2 possibilities:
a) you LIE! (if you feel like you cant win without Dual Gauss/ PPC Spam, this is for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV4vHpqrj6E )
b ) if you DON'T LIE: STOP playing any Computer Games immediatly, DONT drive any kind of vehicle, AVOID any source of flashing lights/ sudden dark/light changes in your environment, DONT go swimming/cycling/climbing.
CONSULT A PHYSICIAN ASAP AND GET A FULL CHECKUP considering both epilepsy or a brain tumor (tell him to exclude strabism from potential diagnosis, saves your health system a bit)...

edit: Mimi link added...

edit2: Even if you notice some kind of physical effect from this "additional" effect-layer: I assure you that a healthy human brain (especially ours, used to 3D Graphics and effect overkill), combined with working eyes and intact nerves will get used to this veeery fast. I will be happy to look up several publications on this issue, but this is even more ridiculous than the reactions to JJ shake...

edit3: Look at Rawyns post above, for general hints on gaming w/o side effects. Thanks for the graphics

You realize that folks getting sick to FPS style games isn't new, and I know for me it'***** or miss which games bother me. (Portal and Portal 2 didn't much, Borderlands and Deus Ex got me sick very quickly)

The issue is the disparity in what your eyes are telling you vs what your body says is actually happening. For the same reason, I can't ride those movie in a shaker rides too often.

Basically, the extra graphic makes your eyes focus differently for some people, which is really the cause in this case, but the change in focus could easily spur on the other motion sickness side effects.

Again, I like the effect. I think it's cool, looks mostly ok, and wasn't a huge hamper to my ability to play from a pure aiming point of view, However, after a few games, my eyes and head hurt, and I was feeling a bit off, which is not something that's ever happened to me before playing MWO. And it sounds like I'm not the only one.

As far as it being a nerf, the effect nearly goes away if you drop your settings (or at least that's what it sounds like, I play at low settings), and doesn't seem to bug most people. I hear it shows up over the advanced zoom, (which is silly as it's presented), and if so, they should remove that.

All I want is the ability to turn it off. FOr folks it bothers physically, it would be nice. For folks who screenshot hunt or do videos, it would be nice as well (as they are in many ways game ambassadors)

[Tarzilman]

Ashvins, on 22 January 2014 - 10:49 AM, said:

Lots of oxpoo

You don't know what a cockpit window in the far feature is made of and how it works either. Don't reason me with things we both don't know.
There're many ways to think of how such a robust Cockpit glass could be possible. Some BT fans here in the forums mentioned, there was told of some kind of transparent metal alloy in the BT-Books.
Anyway, I don't know the books and I don't know the future. But what you realize as a dusty, dirty, old glass for me is some kind of super-robust-future-plexiglass-thing that's gone through many fights against mechs shooting at you with super-big-boom-bullets and super-hot-welding-pew-pews crushing into spoken window.
Maybe we have the technology to make scratch-resistend windshields today, yet we also have the technology to damage it and that probably wouldn't change in that kind of future we're talking about here.
A future full of war.
Also, as you may have heard, tech is still important in 3050 and still not completely investigated. Maybe it's just a bit tricky to keep your damn cockpit window clean while stomping on plantes that are hostile to life somwhere in the bum-f***ed Universe.

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FYI yesterday was the first time in over 2 decades that I have had a migraine and it was thanks to the few matches I played on MWO. So keep your personal opinions about any persons health out of this please. I'm not hating on you but your being inconsiderate to others.

Like I said, I'm sorry for your handicap, but I don't know you, so you could tell me everything just to act like the poor heartstricken victim.
This glass effect is so damn soft, I just can't imagine it is that disturbing.
Also Rawyn gave you a good advise.

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As far as me debating this on the forums with you well, I can't play MWO right now so I may as well become a forum warrior.

Great! Could you please then uninstall the game and take a screenshot of the successful uninstall and post it here in the forums? That'd be so great and identify you as one of that persons with no personal life.

Gosh, I think I'm getting sick and headaches of this debate. I should open a thread to complain about complainer.

Bye!

Edited by Tarzilman, 22 January 2014 - 03:27 PM.

[Winterwolf]

Uninstalled the game...feeling so much better now.

[R Razor]

Bront, on 22 January 2014 - 02:50 PM, said:

All I want is the ability to turn it off. FOr folks it bothers physically, it would be nice. For folks who screenshot hunt or do videos, it would be nice as well (as they are in many ways game ambassadors)

All the way off or all the way on, no optional {Scrap}, gives another advantage to the whiners that don't need it. I am well aware of the fact that folks can get sick from video games, I don't dispute that at all, I do however sincerely doubt that people that weren't having ANY sickness issues before are suddenly incapable of playing because they have them now............especially having seen several of the most ardent detractors pilot jump sniping meta-mechs in battles during my time playing the game.

For every individual with a real problem there are 3 or 4 in here merely whining because they can't shoot as well anymore.

[Rawyn]

Bront, on 22 January 2014 - 02:50 PM, said:

Again, I like the effect. I think it's cool, looks mostly ok, and wasn't a huge hamper to my ability to play from a pure aiming point of view, However, after a few games, my eyes and head hurt, and I was feeling a bit off, which is not something that's ever happened to me before playing MWO. And it sounds like I'm not the only one.

Taking a break every 30 minutes to relax your eyes, or maybe focus your eyes on something else than your monitor for a while (look out of the darn window !) isn't a valid option if your prone to those symptoms ?

Should've noted that on the quick guide, too...

[Tarzilman]

Winterwolf, on 22 January 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Uninstalled the game...feeling so much better now.

So, where's your screenshot, sir?

[Arcaist]

I like it. Looks great, and really gives the feeling of sitting in a cockpit.

Don´t have any problems with it at all.

There were so many complains about the lack of immersion...now you get, what you
were crying for...and still...complaints....

[Bartholomew bartholomew]

since all your counter arguments are man up. f off, quit playing ANY game. I think for now i will switch to 3rd person which does not have glass. bring my 2.5KDR stalker missle boat. And blast away till fixed...

Edited by Bartholomew bartholomew, 22 January 2014 - 03:31 PM.

[Helsbane]

Arcaist, on 22 January 2014 - 03:25 PM, said:

I like it. Looks great, and really gives the feeling of sitting in a cockpit.

Don´t have any problems with it at all.

There were so many complains about the lack of immersion...now you get, what you
were crying for...and still...complaints....

Immersion in the MW universe is one thing (CW, more planets / maps, more reasons to fight instead of just banging mechs together pointlessly, a REAL clan invasion).

Effects that no one asked for and make me feel as though I'll vomit on my keyboard, not so much. In fact, I don't recall a thread that had someone say, "You know what we need? Some additional kind of visual {Scrap} that makes the film grain worse and causes motion sickness. Yeah, that would make the MW experience complete for me."

[fratzenballermann]

Spaismahn, on 22 January 2014 - 02:36 PM, said:

3. Different mechs emphasize this effect more than others. Visual capabilities of mechs should be as equal as possible across the board.
4. 3rd person view does not have to deal with glass, so it offers another advantage over 1st person view.

visual capabilities of mechs already vary GREATLY, so i don't see the problem here. in fact it's part of the balancing, a mech like the shadow hawk might seem superior to all other medium mechs but you can't see **** in that thing, creating a fair balance.

also 3rd person view doesn't give you any advantage because you can't see where you're aiming. seriously, i'm pretty new to this game and even i know that. try it out for yourself, anyone playing with 3PV is actually having a major disadvantage (not to mention the lack of information due to missing HUD elements in 3pv)

[VonRiechlin]

yes, need option to turn off, patch notes said it was for immersion,
so all the talk about it balancing snipers is moot.
if some one has a medical or system weakness
they should not be punished or pushed out of the game.

yes it seems map and mech dependent,
my raven was fine in the desert,
Jag was unplayable on river, I was very distracted by the bouncing dots
and yes it strained my eyes and filled me with rage.

yes I am old and had to get glasses specifically for gaming,
but I also build my own rigs and run very high settings.
I turned down textures and it reduced the effect but game did not look as cool.

For all the fan boys who think everyone complaining is a troll,
I hope I am on your team when I disconnect.
I will learn which map and mech combo is an eye strain
and avoid it, since we can't pick the map in advance my only option is to disco!

[sneeking]

and im sure nobody on an old or buget build system would of asked for a degradation in performance to go along with a stupid effect that nobody asked for in first place.

looking at what people actually ask for...

ui2.0 better mech lab a game loby been able to choose a map that suits a build for christ sake !

community warfare some missions some actual role based combat so each chassis would have real valid point in a team setting !

but no instead you get this which seems to indicate no work is happening on any of the above.

[sneeking]

Winterwolf, on 22 January 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Uninstalled the game...feeling so much better now.

id turn battlefield troll first get banned and then uninstall...

good thing I didn't invest in full clan package last week or id be so full of rage right now.

[Rawyn]

sneeking, on 22 January 2014 - 10:58 PM, said:

and im sure nobody on an old or buget build system would of asked for a degradation in performance to go along with a stupid effect that nobody asked for in first place.

looking at what people actually ask for...

ui2.0 better mech lab a game loby been able to choose a map that suits a build for christ sake !

community warfare some missions some actual role based combat so each chassis would have real valid point in a team setting !

but no instead you get this which seems to indicate no work is happening on any of the above.

Cockpit glass was on the wish list since closed beta.

And for God's sake, please, in the name of everything that's sacred to you, please stop using that stupid "They're doing other stuff, so apparently not working on my top priorities" argument. It's been stated a bazillion times that 3D artists don't work on system internals and vice versa.

sneeking, on 22 January 2014 - 11:03 PM, said:

id turn battlefield troll first get banned and then uninstall...

good thing I didn't invest in full clan package last week or id be so full of rage right now.

If cockpit glass is removed or made a toggle in public matches I'll uninstall and ask for a refund !
I don't want my 'Mechs to feel like a beach buggy with an open cage.
See what I did there ?

[sneeking]

I see you in game ima headbutt you

[BOWMANGR]

There can't be a toggle. Because the percentage of people disliking the glass that are just veiled "I cannot shoot as good as before" whiners are going to take advantage of it to satisfy their stupid "I want to win no matter what" mentality. These are the same people that play any online game with all graphical options set to "Low" even if they have ******** GPU power in their PCs in order to cheat their way out of graphical immersion 'obstacles'.

If PGI implements a toggle, then those annoying gamer types are going to just turn it off and those which actually enjoy the immersion will have to play handicapped. Unfortunately there isn't an invention to divide the player base between real gamers and "I win MOAR" cheaters....


I do understand that the complaints of people with motion sickness are real though. Not everyone complains because he is just annoyed be the glass effect. The problem is real.

The only solution that I can think of that may alleviate the motion sickness issue but still don't give the "settings to low for free wallhack" mentality cheaters an advantage is to reduce the lighting effect {which *** many already mentioned is unrealistic anyway regarding cockpit backlighting} that causes lighting effects. Maybe just keep the dirty, foggy look on the glass corners just to give an impression of the glass actually being there as desired and just add {in a later patch} the damaging effects or weather effects like snow, rain etc. Maybe they can add a 'defrost' or 'glass warming' effect that activates with a button to effectively clear the glass.

Please take a look at the game Metro 2033 and Metro: Last Light. This is an FPS that has the protagonist wear a gas mask. The mask has a LOT of outside effect applied to it and even a button to clear it. It's been done masterfully and I can see a very similar thing EASILY done in MWO too. PGI, take a look please.

[Egomane]

Please calm down everyone.

I totally believe that there might be people who have real problems with the new cockpit glass effect. If their numbers are as great as it seems or if there are free riders pushing those numbers doesn't matter and shouldn't be our concern in this discussion.

From a medical viewpoint, I'd advise those who really have problems, to seek out medical help or to stop playing. But that is totally their decision alone if they want to heed that advise and I will not condemn them for not following it. It's also completly PGIs decsion if they want to take these players into consideration.

To complain about those who complain, or to create and to uphold prejudice, wont help anyone.

[oldhasu]

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It's also completly PGIs decsion if they want to take these players into consideration.

Yeah PGI has such a large player base nowdays. Can afford to lose more of them.