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[Damocles69]

there isnt one. buy a highlander and profit

[Varent]

Charons Little Helper, on 25 January 2014 - 09:38 AM, said:

Yeah! Stop relying on weapons to do damage with! Or speed/jjs to make you manuverable!

people use the ac20 as a noob cannon was the point. People run around in lower elo derping all over themselves and find they can get lucky kills or some random damage with the gun and then think its good. The point was that relying on an ac20 will only get you so far and WILL get you killed at higher elo. Specially with the build described.

[NextGame]

it is possible to do well in mediums, and occasionally really well.

Their only truly viable role right now is as a light hunter, however that only accounts for some of the variants, and often there are very limited numbers of lights to hunt in pugs.

Their general design is wrong-headed however in that they are in general too tall, too slow and undergunned. At least one of those 3 things need to go away (I would pick the height).

In the interests of shameless bragging I will leave this once in a blue moon result here

Edited by NextGame, 25 January 2014 - 02:00 PM.

[Bagheera]

Just say no to arbitrary speed limits. Why shouldn't my Cent/Treb/Shad/Griff/Wolv be able to go between 105 and 115, or in some cases faster? Suddenly the Cicada has to go only 100? Arbitrary speed limits are bad and you should feel bad for suggesting them.

Edited by Bagheera, 25 January 2014 - 02:04 PM.

[Trauglodyte]

That's not what I meant, Charon, and you know that. People leaning on the AC20 to turn their Medium into a good mech are terrible players. That's all that you need to know. The BJ-1(C) was a horrible mech that is both easy to destroy and laughable when you consider that the Blackjack was a fire support platform. Slapping on a much bigger weapon doesn't make the build better.

[KharnZor]

Appogee, on 25 January 2014 - 06:05 AM, said:

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Guess you haven't met me on the battlefield then

*shakes fist*

[Mcgral18]

I know mediums can work to very good effect, SHawks and the BJs would be my favourite.

I'm not understanding the hate on the BJ1 though...it's a hard hitter that travels at 93, without being the size of a highlander. Or the 1X which can be just as effective.

[Trauglodyte]

There is no hate on the BJ-1. I run one and I love it - one of my most favorite mediums. I cruise around with 1 PPC and 2 Lrg Lasers. The point is that it is a 45 ton mech which requires an XL to operate anything but is the size of a Hunchback. It has a massive CT and, as such, has no real business running around in short rang But, because of JJs and the power of the AC20, it is deemed acceptable. All the while, the Cicada, Hunchy, Cent, and Treb are left to rot.

[ArchSight]

What is the point of mediums?
To be faster than assaults, heavies while carrying heavier weaponry and more armor than light mechs.

Skyfaller, on 24 January 2014 - 04:47 PM, said:

I ask this because most heavy mechs can be equipped with as much or better weaponry than a medium and still go just as fast (80-90kph'ish) while having much better armor and the flexibility of much better/heavier armaments.

Perhaps it is time to make heavy and assault mechs slower per engine size? (I mean seriously, an assault running at nearly 80kph?) That 80kph cost the assault mech a lot of tonnage that it could of used for other things.


I would put:

lights at ~150kph max.
Mediums at ~100 kph max.
Heavies at ~60kph max.
Assaults @ ~40 kph max.
All of those weight classes are already capable of doing that except a few varients and mechs.

Understandably, increase the armor values per ton of each mech type appropriately to compensate.
The max armor a mech can have is affected by tonnage.

Edited by ArchSight, 25 January 2014 - 05:41 PM.

[Steel Claws]

Pfff I think if someone has to ask what the point of mediums are - well then they will never understand.

[wanderer]

Trauglodyte, on 25 January 2014 - 09:33 AM, said:

Relying on an AC20 to make a Medium mech serviceable makes you bad. The end.

Generally, it made big ol' holes in my opponents, and heck, there were games where I'd end up at 25%, out of ammo, and...the winner. If you're not likely to live long, why not make every hit count? Strap a 20 on a Shadow Hawk and you've got an oversized Hunchback that can go airborne. Who's whining about that being for bads?

That's the whole point of mediums. They can do -one- job well. An AC/20 makes what job it is pretty straightforward. So does a Gauss, for that matter. One's a close-in can opener, the other's a dedicated sniper.

[MischiefSC]

Mediums are there to get killed by heavies and assaults. If you only fought against other heavies and assaults matches would take forever, so there are mediums and locusts. They let some people feel wild and crazy, sorta like streaking, while everyone else gets some fast and easy kills.

[GRiPSViGiL]

Mediums are easily my favorite class now.

[Appogee]

YLW is another effective Medium chassis, if you pilot it well.

So is Cicada-3M.

I have about a 2:1 k/d in both.

[Khobai]

Mediums are still way too slow.

light mechs go 150-170
heavy mechs go 65-85

mediums should go 110-130, which is in between lights and heavies. but in reality most mediums can only go 90-110.

They need about a 20kph speed buff.

[darkchylde]

Prefer mediums as well and I love the golden boy - great srm striker and looks great doing it. Well, cept for the times - the missiles enter an unknown dimension never to been seen or heard from again...but I'm sure that will get fixed...sometime in the late future.

Engine Cap Increase wouldn't hurt either

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...f9a6d0f03807e00

Sadly though, going to stick with the ballistic heavy mechs.

Edited by darkchylde, 26 January 2014 - 12:01 AM.

[Sandpit]

Just so you know.....

The average top speed in TT for an assault was 50-60/kph
with several doing 60-70
and a few even getting 80-90

so capping an assault mech to 40/kph is just uhm yea, no.

[Thanatos676]

I would argue that mediums if built right, played right (as a flanking or harassing force) and not played solo can be very deadly. Nerfing speeds to make them "more effective" is a knee jerk reaction that would kill the fast assault mech role.

You mess with my Victor and your messing with your life..

I run a shadow-hawk with 2 AC/5 and a ER PPC to good effect in pug matches. I also have 2 cents that do well. Just don't be on the front line and wait till your big guys have started pounding and then flank them. Also always try to work with the other mediums on your team.

[SpartanFiredog317]

Skyfaller, on 24 January 2014 - 04:47 PM, said:

I ask this because most heavy mechs can be equipped with as much or better weaponry than a medium and still go just as fast (80-90kph'ish) while having much better armor and the flexibility of much better/heavier armaments. Perhaps it is time to make heavy and assault mechs slower per engine size? (I mean seriously, an assault running at nearly 80kph?) I would put: lights at ~150kph max. Mediums at ~100 kph max. Heavies at ~60kph max. Assaults @ ~40 kph max. Understandably, increase the armor values per ton of each mech type appropriately to compensate.

Mediums can wreck face, and still retain the mobility to escape a sticky situation. Most of the Heavies that move into the 90 KPH range without speed tweak sacrifice firepower or survivability. ....Also have you ever tried to pilot an Assault moving less than 50 KPH???? I tried a Stalker 5S the other day because I thought Dual AMS might be a nice alternative to ECM for missile shielding.... 52 KPH is darned near unbearable.... especially when your that big. Unless you are in a group or can headshot people left and right my opinion is an assault at <65 KPH is dead weight. Anything really below 100 KPH in this game dies if you find yourself in a bad situation... one reason why I've gone from using heavies to Cicadas and Lights... if you find yourself flanked or outgunned you have a chance to get away and come back for some stragglers.... Lights are also because of the speed able to pull off a 3-4 kill late game on injured mechs to even up and maybe even turn the tables on some ROFL stomps... Mediums (Mainly the Cicada) can do the same, but require more fortuitous circumstances... if the rest of your team gets rolled and your in a heavy or Assault, you have essentially wasted the 3-5 minutes of your life that kind of match takes.

[SpartanFiredog317]

Trauglodyte, on 25 January 2014 - 02:46 PM, said:

There is no hate on the BJ-1. I run one and I love it - one of my most favorite mediums. I cruise around with 1 PPC and 2 Lrg Lasers. The point is that it is a 45 ton mech which requires an XL to operate anything but is the size of a Hunchback. It has a massive CT and, as such, has no real business running around in short rang But, because of JJs and the power of the AC20, it is deemed acceptable. All the while, the Cicada, Hunchy, Cent, and Treb are left to rot.

Cicada, Hunchy, Cent, and Treb all have GREAT loadouts available.

The Cicada has one of the few ECM variants, and can be an up-armored jenner, or Spider or PPC/ERLL sniper. Medium armor and weaponry at Jenner non speed tweaked speeds? YES PLEASE

Hunchy and Centurion are kind of one trick ponies with the Hunch/torso and the Arm respectively but... 9 energy Hardpoints...? AC20? Cent-D with the option of SRM6 or SSRM2 while going as fast as a 'slow' Cicada? That's all kinds of yes.

and Finally the Trenchbucket.... 2x A-LRM15 plus a Tag and a random number of lasers and a couple configurations with JJ's?? .... Easily capable of taking apart an already engaged assault from the flank and the fading to the rear? With LRMS its the most dependant upon even matchmaking, but still, very capable of wrecking face!

Mediums are faring pretty well right now