540 replies to this topic

[Ngamok]

Ryoken, on 28 January 2014 - 04:37 AM, said:

Nick Makiaveli is right: Because once a team gets a numerical advantage, it will result in a snowball effect like growing of this advantage. Stop blaming premades, you will also see stomps even if we had no premades at all because of this logical relation.

OP and Blurry are wrong: They need to learn about logic and stochastics!

Pretty much. Once you are down 3 right off the start, unless a miracle happens or the remaining players are way good, you have a good chance of losing. It's not guaranteed, just a good chance.

[Craig Steele]

Joseph Mallan, on 28 January 2014 - 06:42 AM, said:

It has always worked well for me, in life, martial arts, Gaming, you name it. Jump in feet first, take the beating that WILL ensue as I learn the ropes. I would not call paying a game High skill... then again I operate million dollar CNC Machines for a living and making a .02mm mistake can be... costly when its on a $30,000 prototype Engine head!

I think the difference though Joseph might be motivation.

If I wanted to learn a martial arts I would take my hits cause I know thats part of the deal.

If I want to play a computer game for entertainment and I cannot see that entertainment even being realised, I give up walk away.

Unfortunately its easier to walk away from a F2P game than it is your 6 month Martial arts tuition. (Or fortunatly, depending on your view).

Your arguement has strength for those motivated to play (and lots of old BT fans like me are in that boat) but the OP is clearly not one of them.

[Joseph Mallan]

Craig Steele, on 28 January 2014 - 06:56 AM, said:

I think the difference though Joseph might be motivation.

If I wanted to learn a martial arts I would take my hits cause I know thats part of the deal.

If I want to play a computer game for entertainment and I cannot see that entertainment even being realised, I give up walk away.

Unfortunately its easier to walk away from a F2P game than it is your 6 month Martial arts tuition. (Or fortunatly, depending on your view).

Your arguement has strength for those motivated to play (and lots of old BT fans like me are in that boat) but the OP is clearly not one of them.

Then you should not play PvP games. Cause someone (possibly many somebodies) will destroy you cause they are better than you cause they have played the game longer than you. This is my first ever PvP game. I know this franchise, but not how the players would bring it to me. So I knew to expect the unexpected. I got schooled for weeks, but I got better. So are gamers less willing to learn the ropes than an old man?

[Mudhutwarrior]

Joseph Mallan, on 28 January 2014 - 06:42 AM, said:

It has always worked well for me, in life, martial arts, Gaming, you name it. Jump in feet first, take the beating that WILL ensue as I learn the ropes. I would not call paying a game High skill... then again I operate million dollar CNC Machines for a living and making a .02mm mistake can be... costly when its on a $30,000 prototype Engine head!

I sacked a lady who is in movies. Issue is who cares?

[DaZur]

Mudhutwarrior, on 28 January 2014 - 07:04 AM, said:

I sacked a lady who is in movies. Issue is who cares?

Rue Paul is not a lady... not that I care.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mudhutwarrior, on 28 January 2014 - 07:04 AM, said:

I sacked a lady who is in movies. Issue is who cares?

Perspective Mud its all perspective. if you can put out the effort to learn anything you will be rewarded. Very few people are ever going to get it right the first time. SO I advocate taking your lumps and get better at your pace, without worrying about winning or losing. hat will come eventually. Took me 6 weeks to get a positive W/L and KDR.

Oh and the difference is, You haven't sack a starlet, there is a difference.

[Novakaine]

The plain and simple reason this happens is that at times.
Myself included play like absolute "morons".
No support from each other whatsoever.
And if you're lucky to get help while being swarmed.
You're more likely to get shot all to hell by your own team mates.
Since PGI has gone over board in destroying team play this is what happens.
We all do stupid at times sad fact is some people just excel at it.

[Craig Steele]

Joseph Mallan, on 28 January 2014 - 07:03 AM, said:

Then you should not play PvP games. Cause someone (possibly many somebodies) will destroy you cause they are better than you cause they have played the game longer than you. This is my first ever PvP game. I know this franchise, but not how the players would bring it to me. So I knew to expect the unexpected. I got schooled for weeks, but I got better. So are gamers less willing to learn the ropes than an old man?

That's not my point and I wasn't using me as an example cause I am clearly still here. But thats a separate issue.

My point is if someone is motivated, game, life, job, whatever, they have a higher tolerance or endurance towards what they want.

In the F2P game model, and the goal being a "good time", players will leave the game if the have no sense of acheivement because they have no buy in. Some of us can and do hang around (like me) trying to find ways to make it better or drawing a different sense of satisfaction form the game. But many will not. This OP is (I dare to say) one of them.

Its not about them less willing to learn the ropes, its that you had the motiviation to excel because you have buy in with the franchise.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Joseph Mallan, on 28 January 2014 - 07:13 AM, said:

Perspective Mud its all perspective. if you can put out the effort to learn anything you will be rewarded. Very few people are ever going to get it right the first time. SO I advocate taking your lumps and get better at your pace, without worrying about winning or losing. hat will come eventually. Took me 6 weeks to get a positive W/L and KDR.

Oh and the difference is, You haven't sack a starlet, there is a difference.

And you think your the only person who hasn't worked hard? I was glider pilot at 14 and a commercial multi engine pilot at 19. Did it working as no one else paid my way. The list goes on but I am not here to tell people how wonderful I am. I am the same decaying matter as everyone else. From Nobel prize winners to homeless people. I share the same planet.
Stop with the I am Mr. Wonderful. It has no bearing on the subject.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mudhutwarrior, on 28 January 2014 - 07:35 AM, said:

And you think your the only person who hasn't worked hard? I was glider pilot at 14 and a commercial multi engine pilot at 19. Did it working as no one else paid my way. The list goes on but I am not here to tell people how wonderful I am. I am the same decaying matter as everyone else. From Nobel prize winners to homeless people. I share the same planet.
Stop with the I am Mr. Wonderful. It has no bearing on the subject.

You still haven't sacked a starlet!

[Xeno Phalcon]

Mystere, on 26 January 2014 - 11:32 AM, said:

PGI can't and shouldn't fix people, period.

Some things must be shared, the wisdom must be passed on.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Joseph Mallan, on 28 January 2014 - 07:39 AM, said:

You still haven't sacked a starlet!

Actually part of my job before entering the military was to fly special people from Boston to NYC. I had a commercial actress I flew pretty regular and one day a storm rolled in hard. Made it from Republic Field to Block Island and we stayed the night. Dated for a couple of months on and off after. She is pretty well known and popular now. But that's beside the point. You always start this I am so great on these threads and It has no bearing on the subject whatsoever. None. Only makes sure everyone knows your superficial. I don't care if you pump septic tanks for a living. It doesn't matter.

[Joseph Mallan]

Craig Steele, on 28 January 2014 - 07:34 AM, said:

That's not my point and I wasn't using me as an example cause I am clearly still here. But thats a separate issue.

My point is if someone is motivated, game, life, job, whatever, they have a higher tolerance or endurance towards what they want.

In the F2P game model, and the goal being a "good time", players will leave the game if the have no sense of acheivement because they have no buy in. Some of us can and do hang around (like me) trying to find ways to make it better or drawing a different sense of satisfaction form the game. But many will not. This OP is (I dare to say) one of them.

Its not about them less willing to learn the ropes, its that you had the motiviation to excel because you have buy in with the franchise.

The use of you was meant as a general not specific Craig. Sorry for that.

If the games sucked in those first few weeks I would not be here. I didn't find MechCommander games to my liking and did not buy them after the first. But I gave the first one a fair shakedown played about half the game before reaching my conclusion.

At this time we still have not even played this game. All we have done is test the combat Mechanics. If the game does not fulfill my idea of fun I will be out of here, my $600+ shot out the airlock. on an unfinished product. Myself to blame.

[Dawnstealer]

Nick Makiaveli, on 26 January 2014 - 10:39 AM, said:

Seriously? First off, you are wrong. I was in some 10-12 games last night.

Second, once a team gets a numerical advantage, it's almost certainly going to steamroll from there. I mean if you are outnumbered 2-1 what do you expect? So the score may start out 1-2 but if it hits 7-3 you can pretty well bet it will end in something like 12-4.

As to what the dev team should be working on etc, you don't work in IT I take it? If you did, you would know that artists aren't going to be much help in "fixing" most problems. So they have people working in their areas.

Also, if you were even remotely up to date on the situation, you would know that for about a year now many things have been held up by UI 2.0 since it's going to be a major change in how the game presents stuff to us as well as many changes behind the scenes.

Why? Because most players think that because they can install a game they are experts on game development, and that having played "lots of games" they are experts on how to design and balance them. They then hit the forums, generate multiple accounts to spam with etc. Add in chickenshit devs who bow to every whim and you get a game no one will play even though it's exactly what they want.

I don't always like or agree with what these guys have done, but at least they don't give in to every whim and passing fancy that comes up on the forums.

This is kind of where I'm at. Actually, I'm bouncing into a combination of the two.

I either have games where it comes down to the last 4 guys battling it out, or it's a 12-2 stomping. There doesn't seem to be a lot of in between.

For the record, those 12-10/12-11 games are a LOT more fun. The 12-2 games? Not so much. At least they're over quick.

[Craig Steele]

Mudhutwarrior, on 28 January 2014 - 07:48 AM, said:

Actually part of my job before entering the military was to fly special people from Boston to NYC. I had a commercial actress I flew pretty regular and one day a storm rolled in hard. Made it from Republic Field to Block Island and we stayed the night. Dated for a couple of months on and off after. She is pretty well known and popular now. But that's beside the point. You always start this I am so great on these threads and It has no bearing on the subject whatsoever. None. Only makes sure everyone knows your superficial. I don't care if you pump septic tanks for a living. It doesn't matter.

he said sacked, not ......, oh never mind

[Joseph Mallan]

Mudhutwarrior, on 28 January 2014 - 07:48 AM, said:

I had a commercial actress I flew pretty regular and one day a storm rolled in hard....

Is not

Mudhutwarrior, on 28 January 2014 - 07:04 AM, said:

I sacked a lady who is in movies. Issue is who cares?

This is comparing Sacking a Pop Star with a pretty good Local Singer. No that I would begrudge you being with a beautiful woman, but perspective Mud. A commercial actress does not mean lady in movies.

She:


is not quite the same as Her

Both are good looking...

[Magna Canus]

wanderer, on 28 January 2014 - 06:27 AM, said:

You do know the proper way to school newbs is to put them in high-skill situations and beat them repeatedly so they leave, right?

C'mon, I did my time in enough PvP. Having a matchmaker pair you up against people vastly past your skill level is the perfect recipe for making them delete a game. And if you beat them till they quit, the player pool keeps shrinking.

There is a nice saying that goes like this "Practice makes perfect". Perserverance in the face of adversity builds character and makes you better. Every time you have the ability to observe a good tactic that took you out and you actually LEARN from it, you get better. We have tons of guides on the forums here. We have tons of groups willing to pick up new players and train them. If you want to get better you will. If you don't or can't then you wont.

Knowing PvP games as well as you say you do, you should know that there is no 1P "easy mode" in a PvP game. You are going to see people that are good, not so good, new, or just willfully bad. This is also a team game so unless you pick who is on your team, you will get a mixed bag full of the above. When you play a PvP game these are things you need to expect and accept as a given.

But what I really gather from this thread and especially this comment is "I want to win/kill more". Maybe the MM will get updated, maybe not. Until then mom is not here to breat-feed you so you need to do something on your own to put the odd in your favor; studdy tactics, target practice in the training grounds, get somebody to give you pointers/training, check your mech's and loadout to ensure you are not running scrap, and maybe even join a group. Above all if you get rolled turn a painfully truthful eye on why it happened, learn from it, and try to do better next time. If that does not help try playing at different times, the play style of different regions varies so maybe you find someone on par online in another time zone. The US time zone is pretty competative as is the Russian/Asian. Europe and Australia/New Zeland are pretty laid back. Try those time zones.

In the end pi$$ing and moaning is not doing you any good and will not change your situation.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Let it go dude. Everyone starts somewhere and it don't matter a dam. Point is talking about yourself over and over again is boring and had no relevance on the forums.

[Sephlock]

Ngamok, on 28 January 2014 - 06:51 AM, said:

Pretty much. Once you are down 3 right off the start, unless a miracle happens or the remaining players are way good, you have a good chance of losing. It's not guaranteed, just a good chance.

I just had a game where we were down 2 players from the start and managed to stomp the enemy, but then they went to cap and no one on my team wanted to go back until it was WAY too late. (I was all beaten up and would have died instantly to whomever was there! That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it!)

[Mudhutwarrior]

Sephlock, on 28 January 2014 - 08:58 AM, said:

I just had a game where we were down 2 players from the start and managed to stomp the enemy, but then they went to cap and no one on my team wanted to go back until it was WAY too late. (I was all beaten up and would have died instantly to whomever was there! That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it!)

My favorite is when they do go back but just circle while the cap is taken. "Just Stand On It!"