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[Hexenhammer]

Iacov, on 28 January 2014 - 12:56 PM, said:

QFT

urbie would be the only chassis thinkable, that could be released without "c-bill variants"
and i bet they'd make more money with urbie than with any assault hero

Wondering if we should burst his bubble and mention the urbies are 30 tons, not 35.

Edited by Hexenhammer, 28 January 2014 - 01:15 PM.

[Sug]

Jason Radick, on 28 January 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

Wolfhound a hero mech?

It's got the same issue as the Firestarter. All the variants are either the same or we already have mechs that can run those loadouts.

[TercieI]

Sug, on 28 January 2014 - 01:05 PM, said:

Nothing with all energy hardpoints could ever be beastly. Especially a medium.




Ew.

The JR7-F would like a word with you.

[Sug]

Terciel1976, on 28 January 2014 - 01:09 PM, said:

The JR7-F would like a word with you.

Is the word mediocre?

[Iacov]

Hexenhammer, on 28 January 2014 - 01:08 PM, said:

Wondering we should burst his bubble and mention the rubies is 30 tons, not 35.

i haven't seen a proof for the "it's a 35ton mech" yet...

[Veranova]

Bishop Steiner, on 28 January 2014 - 12:39 PM, said:

Best reason is Russ flat out said it would not be the Panther on the NGNG #100 interview.

Wolfhound would have the most obvious Hero. But dear god is it a boring choice, as all variants are pure energy boats.

The Firestarter on the other hand, would have potential to be beastly. Where did they confirn 35 tonner?

That was it yeah! haha

And I think it was NGNG #98/99, whichever one had Bryan Ekman on I think.

[Deathlike]

Not that PGI is "big" on the timeline, but sarna says the date on the Wolfhound is 3052... we're in "3051" if we believe http://mwomercs.com/clock

Even then, the Wolfhound but the straight energy mech, probably modeled after the Spider.

The Firestarter is a bit more intriguing, as it would probably be modeled after the Commando. The potential variants would follow something like the Locust (having ballistic and missile variants in addition to the energy heavy variant)... although the Commando does have ballistic variants that aren't in use for some reason.

Edited by Deathlike, 28 January 2014 - 01:21 PM.

[Khobai]

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Not that PGI is "big" on the timeline, but sarna says the date on the Wolfhound is 3052

Wolfhounds were built before 3050. But they stopped production of them until 3052.

But again... the Wolfhound is a way worse Jenner. Is that what you light pilots really want? More lights that are worse than Jenners? Its got less hardpoints, worse hardpoints, a larger profile, no jumpjets, etc... everything it about it is worse than a Jenner.

More importantly there arnt 3 significantly different variants of the Wolfhound. Which leads me to believe its not the Wolfhound.

The Urbanmech on the other hand would be very controversial, has 3 very different variants, and would be different compared to most other lights because of its arm mounted ballistics.

Edited by Khobai, 28 January 2014 - 03:25 PM.

[Deathlike]

Khobai, on 28 January 2014 - 01:24 PM, said:

Wolfhounds were built before 3050. But they stopped production of them until 3052.

Was the Wolfhound a MW4 creation or it was always there? (I'm not familiar with which mech was added because of MW4)

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But again... the Wolfhound is a way worse Jenner. Is that what you light pilots really want? More lights that are worse than Jenners? Its got less hardpoints, worse hardpoints, a larger profile, no jumpjets, etc... everything it about it is worse than a Jenner.

It's kinda unfair to compare the Jenner, since it is the current gold light mech standard. Hitboxes do make the mech just as well.

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More importanty there arnt 3 significantly different variants of the Wolfhound. Which leads me to believe its not the Wolfhound.

Yea... none of them impressed me. It would be disappointing.. do I want 4 energy slots, or 5, or even 8? Yay for monotony!

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The Urbanmech on the other hand would be very controversial, has 3 very different variants, and would be different compared to most other lights because of its arm mounted ballistics.

As much as I think the Urbanmech sounds "fun", it could possibly be worse than the Commando's hitboxes (and, the commando's arms are huuuuuge). Amusement? Sure. Functionally workable in MWO? Doubtful.

[MoonUnitBeta]

What's so great about the wolfhound?
I'm not too excited about it because it just sounds like a spider. and we know we're not getting any weapons that fire backwards.. That was kind of the interesting about it, IMO.

So... ?? Why?

[Weaselball]

It was never mentioned that it would be a 35 ton mech. Just that it would be a light. I have no idea where the OP got that magical number as it was never mentioned in that podcast.

[Escef]

Bishop Steiner, on 28 January 2014 - 12:51 PM, said:

ain't gonna happen.

Well, it might if at least one of the c-bill versions had ECM. Especially if they keep witht he practice of making the ECM versions slower than the others.

Terciel1976, on 28 January 2014 - 01:02 PM, said:

Unique modules in Clan packs sounds a bit P2W, though, so I'm more fearful of things going that way than I have been.

Depends upon what the modules do. If it was something that replicated Heavy Metal's playing music on a kill, it would be more along the lines of "pay to have something useless".

Sug, on 28 January 2014 - 01:05 PM, said:

Nothing with all energy hardpoints could ever be beastly. Especially a medium.

Is that a non-sequitur, or are you brainfarting on the light/medium cut-off?

[FupDup]

Sug, on 28 January 2014 - 01:12 PM, said:

Is the word mediocre?

5-6 ML is pretty much the dominant light mech configuration in this game right now. You just can't beat the damage:tonnage ratio of the Medium Laser.


And on a side note, the Firestarter does actually have 2 ballistic hardpoints for giggles.

[Onlystolen]

These are currently all 35 ton battlemechs that fit the criteria & time frame so far. that I can find, forgive me if i've left any out.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Spector
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Talon
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Toro
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Venom (spider hero, yes 35 tons)
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Night_Hawk
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Ostscout
http://www.sarna.net...%28Peregrine%29
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Firebee
http://www.sarna.net...28BattleMech%29

[Deathlike]

FupDup, on 28 January 2014 - 02:04 PM, said:

5-6 ML is pretty much the dominant light mech configuration in this game right now. You just can't beat the damage:tonnage ratio of the Medium Laser.

TBH, I'm biased with 4 ML + 2 SSRM2s.

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And on a side note, the Firestarter does actually have 2 ballistic hardpoints for giggles.

I'm still waiting for the 6MG Spider.

[Escef]

Also, to settle the date arguments about the Wolfhound, we can go to the Master Unit List.

The WLF-1, 1A, and 1B are 3028, the WLF-2 is 3052. Which means bringing in the WLF-2 would mean advancing the timeline by a whopping 2 years. Which would not be a bad thing, as the Clans are hitting play in a few months, and up until their defeat at the hands of the Comguard in 3052, the clans were nearly unstoppable.

The only thing that could make the WLF, if they put it out, controversial is the horrible sameness of them, and possibly "Grinner" (Phelan Kell's mech) as a Hero would satisfy no one regardless of it having or not having clan tech ("Grinner" is officially a unique Wolfhound IIC.)

[LauLiao]

Deathlike, on 28 January 2014 - 01:19 PM, said:

Not that PGI is "big" on the timeline, but sarna says the date on the Wolfhound is 3052... we're in "3051" if we believe http://mwomercs.com/clock

So what you're saying is that Phelan Kell went through a time-warp and that's how he was able to be captured in '49 while piloting a Wolfhound on The Rock?

[Escef]

Onlystolen, on 28 January 2014 - 02:08 PM, said:

These are currently all 35 ton battlemechs that fit the criteria & time frame so far. that I can find, forgive me if i've left any out.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Spector
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Talon
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Toro
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Venom (spider hero, yes 35 tons)
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Night_Hawk
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Ostscout
http://www.sarna.net...%28Peregrine%29
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Firebee
http://www.sarna.net...28BattleMech%29

Toro and Firebee are extinct, Peregrine is clan.

[Hillslam]

Where are you folks getting this 35ton thing?

I'm hoping for the Urban Mech. Oh Yeah.

"Controversial" since it'll have a "quirk" of 90* climb angle.

That's Right: SpiderUrbie

[TercieI]

Escef, on 28 January 2014 - 02:03 PM, said:

Depends upon what the modules do. If it was something that replicated Heavy Metal's playing music on a kill, it would be more along the lines of "pay to have something useless".

Yeah. And I hope it's that (or some XP/loyalty/c-bill granting thing). It just sounds ishy.

Deathlike, on 28 January 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:

TBH, I'm biased with 4 ML + 2 SSRM2s.

I actually agree in preferring the -D to the -F, but suggesting either of them is short of excellent is silly. It's more a role/style distinction.