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[Lord Perversor]

mwhighlander, on 02 February 2014 - 11:10 AM, said:

I'd say its more controversial because those damn trees are still indestructible.





Oops.

Dammit a Tree hugging MECH!! the first Mechanical Dr00d on existence i wonder what Mech can do that!!

[C E Dwyer]

mwhighlander, on 02 February 2014 - 11:10 AM, said:

I'd say its more controversial because those damn trees are still indestructible.





Oops.

can't get more controversial then a mech that looks like an indestructible tree

[SweetJackal]

Do remember that a Hero Variant isn't a production variant. It's either a custom piece with it's stats already decided from lore, like the YLW or it is a mech produced entirely by PGI's design.

So if there is an ECM variant of a mech then it doesn't lock out the Hero Version of that mech from carrying ECM. If the Hero Mech does have ECM then there will still be the canon variant that carries ECM available.

Also, I do not think we should be excluding extinct designs. If the hero mech is "Controversial" in a way that Russ might not understand then an extinct design could be subtle enough to slip by that marker or not trigger any flags in his mind.

The Firebee is a (somewhat) good example of this as it is canon that not all models of it were destroyed so it wouldn't be a complete retcon to have a stash suddenly unearthed and these mechs revealed. Also there is only one variant of the Firebee that uses Primitive Technology, the prototype for it and it wouldn't be beyond my expectation of PGI to just swap that variant into it's 'modern' technology counterpart claiming it was a refit done before the mechs were placed into storage.

Also it wouldn't be the first time that we have gotten a variant that wasn't released at this point in the timeline to fill out 3 variants. It seems as though the timeline does matter if the mech design hasn't been produced yet, according to the timeline or if it is a Clan Exclusive yet so long as the Out Of Timeline Variant doesn't introduce any future technology and could be made with current timeline technology. That last one is where the Firebee trips up though, the 3rd variant required for it's release carries Stealth Armor and a Plasma Rifle, two pieces of tech not in the game. The Steal Armor could be fudged on the timeline as it has already been prototyped but the mechanics are not in the game, the real kicker is the Plasma Rifle. That is a weapon 10 years out of it's time.

So unless PGI has written up their own variant, something that they do regularly for the Hero Mechs, I doubt it could be the Firebee.

I just do not believe that the Firebee should be counted out merely because it is an extinct design. If we were to include the extinct designs into the possible list of candidates, what would we have?

[Bishop Steiner]

mwhighlander, on 02 February 2014 - 11:10 AM, said:

I'd say its more controversial because those damn trees are still indestructible.





Oops.

OMG!!!!!!
Tree killing!

it's controversial cuz we are skipping right to Dark Age!!!!!!

[Bishop Steiner]

SuckyJack, on 02 February 2014 - 12:31 PM, said:

Do remember that a Hero Variant isn't a production variant. It's either a custom piece with it's stats already decided from lore, like the YLW or it is a mech produced entirely by PGI's design.

So if there is an ECM variant of a mech then it doesn't lock out the Hero Version of that mech from carrying ECM. If the Hero Mech does have ECM then there will still be the canon variant that carries ECM available.

Also, I do not think we should be excluding extinct designs. If the hero mech is "Controversial" in a way that Russ might not understand then an extinct design could be subtle enough to slip by that marker or not trigger any flags in his mind.

The Firebee is a (somewhat) good example of this as it is canon that not all models of it were destroyed so it wouldn't be a complete retcon to have a stash suddenly unearthed and these mechs revealed. Also there is only one variant of the Firebee that uses Primitive Technology, the prototype for it and it wouldn't be beyond my expectation of PGI to just swap that variant into it's 'modern' technology counterpart claiming it was a refit done before the mechs were placed into storage.

Also it wouldn't be the first time that we have gotten a variant that wasn't released at this point in the timeline to fill out 3 variants. It seems as though the timeline does matter if the mech design hasn't been produced yet, according to the timeline or if it is a Clan Exclusive yet so long as the Out Of Timeline Variant doesn't introduce any future technology and could be made with current timeline technology. That last one is where the Firebee trips up though, the 3rd variant required for it's release carries Stealth Armor and a Plasma Rifle, two pieces of tech not in the game. The Steal Armor could be fudged on the timeline as it has already been prototyped but the mechanics are not in the game, the real kicker is the Plasma Rifle. That is a weapon 10 years out of it's time.

So unless PGI has written up their own variant, something that they do regularly for the Hero Mechs, I doubt it could be the Firebee.

I just do not believe that the Firebee should be counted out merely because it is an extinct design. If we were to include the extinct designs into the possible list of candidates, what would we have?

actually, only the FRB-2E uses standard tech, as both the WAM-A and WAM-B (aka FRB-1E) are Primitives, and the only other version extant is a 3071 Capellan Refit of exactly TWO units, the coined the FRB-3E Firebee. That leaves the well rather dry, especially when they have plentiful choices that do not require such copious mental contortions to make work, and some of which would still be quite controversial.

[Kyle Wright]

If humanoid and controversial it could be one of the mechs that were also in battletech such as the WASP/


Or perhaps the Stinger?



Just my best guess, i dont think the Urban Mech was controversial...

[Bishop Steiner]

Kyle Wright, on 02 February 2014 - 01:57 PM, said:

If humanoid and controversial it could be one of the mechs that were also in battletech such as the WASP/


Or perhaps the Stinger?



Just my best guess, i dont think the Urban Mech was controversial...

It would be good guesses, but if you had read much of the preceding 2-3 pages you would know that as Harmony Gold Unseens they are categorically off limits, per Russ.

And aside from their Unseen status, there is nothing remotely controversial about either. InstaDeath traps in the current game, yes, but not controversial.

The Urbie is controversial because of the changes in the Mechlab needed to make it possible, and the total love/hate relationship, between the "LEETS" who just look at it as non optimal and therefore a waste of time, and the Lore Nuts, who don't give a {Scrap} if it's good, and want it because it sucks, but it's the mascot of Battletech!

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 02 February 2014 - 02:04 PM.

[Imperius]

I don't like the urbie cause it's an egg with a gun... Looks so bad not sure if Alex could fix that hard boiled monstrosity...

[Bishop Steiner]

Imperius, on 02 February 2014 - 02:08 PM, said:

I don't like the urbie cause it's an egg with a gun... Looks so bad not sure if Alex could fix that hard boiled monstrosity...

That EGG says bit me fan-boi!!!!!!

[SweetJackal]

Bishop Steiner, on 02 February 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

actually, only the FRB-2E uses standard tech, as both the WAM-A and WAM-B (aka FRB-1E) are Primitives, and the only other version extant is a 3071 Capellan Refit of exactly TWO units, the coined the FRB-3E Firebee. That leaves the well rather dry, especially when they have plentiful choices that do not require such copious mental contortions to make work, and some of which would still be quite controversial.

I should have said "I just do not believe that the Firebee should be counted out merely because it is an extinct design. But it should still be counted out unless -alot- of hoops were jumped through"

Was merely using it as a breakdown for an example as to why there are better reasons beyond extinction.

[Monsoon]

Not sure why the Wolfhound would be considered 'controversial', now the Firestarter is a definite candidate for that title. Especially since Flamers are still under-performers as a weapon.

It has enough variants in the timeline to make is viable, there are no 'canon' hero variant at this time, but that wouldn't stop them from making up a Hero possibly one with Missile hardpoints, since the others will be mostly Energy with a few ballistic (MG) options.

Of course, even more controversial would be the OstScout. But that would mean they weren't going to worry about Harmony Gold's reaction.

Edited by Monsoon, 02 February 2014 - 02:35 PM.

[OneEyed Jack]

Deathlike, on 28 January 2014 - 01:54 PM, said:

Was the Wolfhound a MW4 creation or it was always there? (I'm not familiar with which mech was added because of MW4)

Don't know much about MW4, but the Wolfhound is closer (real time) to MW1, or maybe Crescent Hawk's Inception. It's an original TRO: 3050 mech, and was the very first IS mech to encounter the Clans when they invaded, discounting the Periphery bandits and such. Grinner did not receive Clan tech until Phelan became a 'Warrior in Clan Wolf, so an IS version would make sense, especially with the release of the Clans coming. But Grinner wasn't a custom mech, so a Hero based on it would be...... odd, and in conflict with the stock variant.

cSand, on 28 January 2014 - 02:37 PM, said:

SECONDED

You could pick up your buddy's mech (with all the armor on the front), carry it around.

How much can he really be your buddy if you're using him for armor?

Escef, on 28 January 2014 - 04:19 PM, said:

It's not exactly a surprise that the most highly favored variants of every mech that has an ECM variant is the ECM variant. Overpowered? I'm not sure I'd say that, but it rides the curve mighty hard.

Of course it has nothing at all to do with them also having the best hardpoints. And we'll just ignore the fact that every chassis with an ECM variant is generally considered as out-classed by at least one chassis that doesn't even have an ECM variant.

[juxstapo]

My clanmates (well.. Terciel, since the rest of them avoid these forums for some reason ) will attest that my money has been on the Firestarter for some time.

But what I want to know is why they nixed the Panther?

[TercieI]

juxstapo, on 02 February 2014 - 03:20 PM, said:

My clanmates (well.. Terciel, since the rest of them avoid these forums for some reason ) will attest that my money has been on the Firestarter for some time.

But what I want to know is why they nixed the Panther?

Did they?

[Lord Perversor]

Terciel1976, on 02 February 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

Did they?

On last NGNG interview with Russ he said the 4th is not the Panther..

Unless he was lying

[Ertur]

Bishop Steiner, on 02 February 2014 - 02:17 PM, said:

That EGG says bit me fan-boi!!!!!!

I will NOT buy Oaty Bars, they are an inferior, blatent rip-off of Blue Sun's Fruity Oaty Bars. Only without the psychotic octopus bursting out of your blouse.

[Mech Wrench]

mwhighlander, on 01 February 2014 - 10:23 AM, said:

Well, spoilers. Its not the Urbanmech.

mwhighlander, on 01 February 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

@ Bishop

I'm still in very very hot water from that time I did all the map preview videos. However I can say that many many people in this thread are going to be quite happy on Tuesday.


Maybe one day, Urbs... one day

mwhighlander, on 02 February 2014 - 11:10 AM, said:

I'd say its more controversial because those damn trees are still indestructible.





Oops.

If one ignores all his "pro urbie" posts and likes.. his posts start making sense, and lead us to a very exciting conclusion.

Edited by Mech Wrench, 02 February 2014 - 05:48 PM.

[Utilyan]

I'm for firestarters...... But only Urbanmech can give lights the love they need:

Edited by Utilyan, 02 February 2014 - 07:07 PM.

[Roland]

The fire starter could be great, if flamers were made into weapons which could actually do useful things, like set terrain on fire.

[Bishop Steiner]

Roland, on 02 February 2014 - 08:50 PM, said:

The fire starter could be great, if flamers were made into weapons which could actually do useful things, like set terrain on fire.

eh. pretty sure we're gonna see 1 ER large in the CT, 4 smalls and 2 MG, or something similar. Flamers are a flaming waste of time, ATM