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#101 BFett

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 07:06 PM

Below is the only message I have sent to Garth. I'm not always on one side of the fence or the other but this is something I think is worth sharing because it shows just how good Garth's communication was.

BFett October 14, 2012 - 12:15 PM said:


Dear PGI,

Thank you for continuing to do your best to keep the developers aware of the community. Thank you for being patient with the restless beta testers that are eager to see what new features will be in the next patch. Thank you for listening to what the community suggests for features and content. Thank you for telling us where you plan to take Mech Warrior Online. Thank you for making a MechWarrior game even without the support of a well known publisher.

I wish you all the best,
BFett


Garth Erlam 24 October 2012 - 12:20 PM said:

Thanks for the comments, I really appreciate it Posted Image


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 09:02 PM

View PostNRP, on 19 February 2014 - 11:38 AM, said:

We should all drop in Cicadas for a night in tribute to "The Garth".


I had a superb Cicada match. I'll link it here tomorrow.

#103 Appogee

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 09:56 AM

View PostBFett, on 21 February 2014 - 02:53 PM, said:

So, do any of you think the 5 wins challenge is in response to the community upset over losing Garth?

I think it's in response to TitanFall's beta release.

#104 whiskey tango foxtrot

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 01:50 PM

View PostBFett, on 21 February 2014 - 07:06 PM, said:

Below is the only message I have sent to Garth. I'm not always on one side of the fence or the other but this is something I think is worth sharing because it shows just how good Garth's communication was.

+10... :unsure:

#105 TLBFestus

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 03:40 PM

The intent is to improve going forward. Evidently Garth was not a good fit anymore.

With that mind, how about we see if they can trade Russ Bullock for Justin Bieber?

Edited by TLBFestus, 24 February 2014 - 03:40 PM.


#106 Tannhauser Gate

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 05:14 PM

View PostLivewyr, on 19 February 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:

PGI has repeatedly failed to meet deadlines and has thus far delivered substandard product for something considered "launched" and rightfully, just about everyone in the PGI higher echelon staff has received flak for over-promising and under-delivering. The game has very little actually tying the community to it (I'd say just being battletech related is what is keeping a fair number of people here) and that was where Garth came in. He established a rapport with the community that helped counter Russ' "let them eat cake" island comments. Garth was a master at community relations, and one of few assets PGI had going for it in relation to the community.


While I agree that Garth was a good guy, and its a loss for the community that he is gone, we do not know the circumstances of his release. Russ' post is naturally not going to give details other than he was let go. Its sad to hear and Im sure Garth is bound by contract to not give any information.

But I see the "hate pgi at all costs" machine is still in full gear. The quote above proves that the OP is simply not acquainted with reality.

1) MWO was never "launched" as a completed title. It was soft launched as a stable product to serve as the core of future features according to their development plan.

2) The whole "they missed promised deadlines and deserve flak for substandard product" is again not reality. The dev model is to add beta-level features to the game and let the players act as beta QA and finish the features based on feedback and metrics. As for substandard product, at no time was a completed product or completed features ever promised or offered. And, at no time was a sworn deadline ever given for features - only projections based on current projects and resources.

3) and while Garth was a good guy, seemed to do well, and was the face of a humanized pgi to the community, I think the title of "master of community relations" is overboard. We can all think of pr-related things that should have been done that were not.

MWO and pgi certainly have issues but people need to stop judging the game and the devs against the standard dev model (At least a 10 to 20 million dollar investment, dev outfit with hundreds or thousands of employees, 3 to 5 years working underwraps, big pr blitz on release). They are not creating a game behind closed doors for 5 years, fully QA tested, before release. We are the QA. I expect features to be beta upon arrival, I expect bugs to linger, issues to persist, and balance to be in constant correction. This is the intended dev plan. We are watching them make the sausage. I think the game is great and I give pgi a B for their efforts.

Edited by LakeDaemon, 24 February 2014 - 05:33 PM.


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 07:29 PM

View PostLakeDaemon, on 24 February 2014 - 05:14 PM, said:

MWO and pgi certainly have issues but people need to stop judging the game and the devs against the standard dev model (At least a 10 to 20 million dollar investment, dev outfit with hundreds or thousands of employees, 3 to 5 years working underwraps, big pr blitz on release). They are not creating a game behind closed doors for 5 years, fully QA tested, before release. We are the QA. I expect features to be beta upon arrival, I expect bugs to linger, issues to persist, and balance to be in constant correction. This is the intended dev plan. We are watching them make the sausage. I think the game is great and I give pgi a B for their efforts.

Are we allowed to compare it to War Thunder?

#108 Illuzian Pryde

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 07:46 PM

Personally I support the motion that while Garth was a good at presenting things to the community, he definitely didn't manage it very well.

#109 Mister Blastman

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 07:58 PM

My money is PGI terminated him to make someone fall for all the forum rage... instead of doing the proper thing... and fixing game balance.

PGI terminated the wrong guy.

:D

#110 Buso Senshi Zelazny

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 08:04 PM

It looks like Russ's post on Garth has been redacted from the Command Chair...

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 09:42 PM

View PostLakeDaemon, on 24 February 2014 - 05:14 PM, said:


While I agree that Garth was a good guy, and its a loss for the community that he is gone, we do not know the circumstances of his release. Russ' post is naturally not going to give details other than he was let go. Its sad to hear and Im sure Garth is bound by contract to not give any information.


Speaking of Russ' post, does anyone know where that's gone? It seems to have vanished, at least from the command subforum if not the entire message board.

#112 BFett

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 10:21 PM

Hmm, either someone was silly and reported the post or it was deleted. I had a thread disappear on me yesterday due to it being reported. Contact a mod and they'll tell you what happened to it.

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 10:33 PM

It's been hidden or deleted. My guess is that it was meant originally to stop rumors but became fodder for more pgi hate so it was removed. Perhaps it sets a bad precedent to discuss HR issues with players. Perhaps its become too uncomfortable for Garth and he asked that it be removed. We simply do not know why or even why he was let go / quit. And really, it doesn't matter.

People need to stop clinging to every little of nugget of controversy as ammo against pgi.

Edited by LakeDaemon, 24 February 2014 - 10:34 PM.


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 11:24 PM

Maybe someone realized that the wording of said post was somewhat unprofessional...

#115 Kmieciu

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 12:55 AM

View PostThorn Hallis, on 24 February 2014 - 11:24 PM, said:

Maybe someone realized that the wording of said post was somewhat unprofessional...

No surprise there, having been written by Russ "PR Disaster" Bullock.

#116 Appogee

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 04:33 AM

Russ ''Bullock in a China Shop'' :-)

Edited by Appogee, 25 February 2014 - 04:33 AM.


#117 Werewolf486 ScorpS

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 05:01 AM

Maybe...just maybe....The Garth is moving on to greener pastures and we should all be happy he no longer works for such an utter disappointment of a company? He'll no longer have to put up with having to clean up the mondo mega mess created by others. He won't have to deal with such complete incompetence in management. Maybe he's actually gone on to do something that leaves him feeling like he's making a difference instead of damage control from someone else's screw up. I hope that maybe he got a job with CIG and can bask in the rays of positive outlook rather then wither in the stench of doom and gloom. That maybe he's able to ride the coat tails of good leadership and enjoy some sense of direction. At the very least he isn't having to deal with all the negativity that he's had to endure in the past while working with PGI's inept leadership. I just hope the man is recovering and again able to enjoy himself!

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 05:18 AM

Normally, when a post is deleted, it shows as deleted. Had that been the case, fine, message received and understood. But to make the post absolutely disappear? Well, here we are again, surmising on speculation yet again. Why did it get deleted, did they bring him back? Are they trying to hide the fact that they let him go to those that have not yet read the post? It makes no sense to have deleted it and sends out a poor message in regards to the forum ettiquette here. I'll thank Russ for posting it to inform the community, but not at all impressed with it's disappearance. :D

#119 Corvus Antaka

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 06:54 AM

What post?

*insert tinfoil hats here*

:D

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 07:07 AM

View PostKoniving, on 21 February 2014 - 09:02 PM, said:


I had a superb Cicada match. I'll link it here tomorrow.


Almost forgot about this!

Cicada match. Unedited. Legged, almost dead, one versus two, overheating like crazy and BAM! Epic conclusion.
Same match. Edited with narrating computer. o.O;

Btw. Thanks Rolly for reminding me. :D





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