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[Sug]

Deathlike, on 27 February 2014 - 09:22 AM, said:

slurp

What you said. It's why I play less and less. And why we're approaching the anniversary of the last time I spent money on this game.

[WarHippy]

RG Notch, on 27 February 2014 - 09:29 AM, said:

Some folks believe they are above the rules, and PGI agrees.

I'm suddenly having flashes of Stalone in Judege Dredd.

I think this is an interesting topic to discuss, and it is a least a new topic instead of the same things again and again. I just wish that if he feels this is in the wrong place then he needs to go through the proper channels and have it moved instead of spamming nonsense.

[Tw1stedMonkey]

Why do people seem to think VOIP will be the magical thing that makes everyone coordinate? Xbox live has VOIP yet I see maybe 1 person every 3 matches in stuff like CoD or BF4 that actually use the mic. I have a mic but I don't like using it, and if MWO had the best VOIP ever I still wouldn't use it or want to. The only game I really used VOIP in was CoD Zombies (4 player co-op), Mass Effect 3 (4-player co-op), and similar style games where you actually REQUIRE communication. Even then if the xbox controller had a keyboard for non-voice in-game typing chat i would have used that over the mic lol.

Edited by Tw1stedMonkey, 27 February 2014 - 09:42 AM.

[PhoenixFire55]

Its rather hard for small units to have 12 people online same time, even harder sometimes to find matches dropping into 12 v 12. And if you do 4-man and PUG you are stuck with 8 random players. I want to play with MY team in team-based game, not some randoms. Currently I can't. Thats the reason for a lot of people leaving this game.

[Bobzilla]

Tw1stedMonkey, on 27 February 2014 - 09:42 AM, said:

Why do people seem to think VOIP will be the magical thing that makes everyone coordinate? Xbox live has VOIP yet I see maybe 1 person every 3 matches in stuff like CoD or BF4 that actually use the mic. I have a mic but I don't like using it, and if MWO had the best VOIP ever I still wouldn't use it or want to. The only game I really used VOIP in was CoD Zombies (4 player co-op), Mass Effect 3 (4-player co-op), and similar style games where you actually REQUIRE communication. Even then if the xbox controller had a keyboard for non-voice in-game typing chat i would have used that over the mic lol.

This game requires communication. Yes it can be played without, but you get what you have now, the only play is 'stick together', thats it. I'm also sure that some people wouldn't use it, and other i wouldn't like on it, but that would only cause like-minded folks to gravitate towards each other, forming a community.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

I am still curious where that number came from, I cannot find it in any post, tweet or reddit post by Bryan. And 84% equates to exactly 1 pre-made team per match, something that does not match my personal experience.

Although the reason for the perceived decline in premade teams is obvious.
1. you are going to have people who prefer to PUG period, maybe they don't like VOIP, or don't have friends that play the game, or only play a couple games in a sitting and don't want to wait 10 minutes between matches while someone fiddles with their mech/xps every match (or maybe you are the one who needs to spend 10 minutes in mechlab between matches and don't want to inconvenience your teammates).

2. there is no incentive for team play. There are no leaderboards, no worlds to conquer, not standings. The only thing teamplay gets you is the sense of accomplishment that can only come from stomping pugs. And if you are just playing for the love of the game (or lets face it, a free centurion) you can do that as a PUG just as easy.

3. Teams get a bad rap. Look at the forums, listen to the people promoting team play. Those aren't guys you want on your team. *** That was a little judgmental, there are plenty of great Merc corps out there filled with great players that will fit any personality and play style. I am a member of a great merc corp, but I only play 2-3 games in a sitting, so I mostly pug these days.

[Imperius]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 27 February 2014 - 09:52 AM, said:

I am still curious where that number came from, I cannot find it in any post, tweet or reddit post by Bryan. And 84% equates to exactly 1 pre-made team per match, something that does not match my personal experience.

Although the reason for the perceived decline in premade teams is obvious.
1. you are going to have people who prefer to PUG period, maybe they don't like VOIP, or don't have friends that play the game, or only play a couple games in a sitting and don't want to wait 10 minutes between matches while someone fiddles with their mech/xps every match (or maybe you are the one who needs to spend 10 minutes in mechlab between matches and don't want to inconvenience your teammates).

2. there is no incentive for team play. There are no leaderboards, no worlds to conquer, not standings. The only thing teamplay gets you is the sense of accomplishment that can only come from stomping pugs. And if you are just playing for the love of the game (or lets face it, a free centurion) you can do that as a PUG just as easy.

3. Teams get a bad rap. Look at the forums, listen to the people promoting team play. Those aren't guys you want on your team. *** That was a little judgmental, there are plenty of great Merc corps out there filled with great players that will fit any personality and play style. I am a member of a great merc corp, but I only play 2-3 games in a sitting, so I mostly pug these days.

Number came from NGNG podcast... http://www.nogutsnog...et/podcasts.php

Edited by Imperius, 27 February 2014 - 10:00 AM.

[Trauglodyte]

Until there is something to fight for, the veterans are going to gradually leave. There is no title, honor, glory, or territory for which to fight. Imagine WOW PvP if you didn't get anything out of it but repair bills and what little silver you got from lewting a body.

[Damocles]

84% of players PUG because there is no way for them to even find or join a unit/clan/group other than viewing these forums and deciding "Oh hey I like this post, ill hunt these guys down!"

When in reality, most people need more than that to find a fit. So without chat rooms, without an open ability to group with people (like a lobby) repeatedly and come and go as you please, and learn what fits you and them as you please. Units, Clans, Mercenaries who have been around since beta will bleed players who were initial diehards and never replace them with newcomers.

GGclose.

[Joseph Mallan]

I'll be honest, I don't know if I'd have joined a group if it was based off in game chatter. My reason for joining Murphy's was they are Military so they will get some of my darker humor and their posts here during CB showed me they had a temperament that I could hang with.

Other than that groups used to advertise in text, but that got made into something dirty and shameful for some reason.

[Trauglodyte]

Damocles, on 27 February 2014 - 11:05 AM, said:

84% of players PUG because there is no way for them to even find or join a unit/clan/group other than viewing these forums and deciding "Oh hey I like this post, ill hunt these guys down!"

When in reality, most people need more than that to find a fit. So without chat rooms, without an open ability to group with people (like a lobby) repeatedly and come and go as you please, and learn what fits you and them as you please. Units, Clans, Mercenaries who have been around since beta will bleed players who were initial diehards and never replace them with newcomers.

GGclose.

That is another thing. In my prior games that I've played, I've either been sought out by groups based on the skill that they saw me show in PvE/PvP or units had a reputation both in game and on the primary forums. So, in either case, you always knew who was out there and, when you PvPed, you saw their tags. This game is seriously lacking that and it really hurts the community.

It is one reason why, when I see people in game from teh forums, that I nerdily shout out: Forum Warriors Unite! And it is really sad that there is more community here than there is in the game.



PS> What's worse is the fact that one of the in game tips says that VOIP is a great means to win. Well, that's all fine and good but there isn't any link on this forum, to my mind, that lists the major Team Speak channels. I just happened to find out about 6-8 months ago or I'd still be solo dropping and slugging in the mud.

Joseph Mallan, on 27 February 2014 - 11:11 AM, said:

I'll be honest, I don't know if I'd have joined a group if it was based off in game chatter. My reason for joining Murphy's was they are Military so they will get some of my darker humor and their posts here during CB showed me they had a temperament that I could hang with.

Other than that groups used to advertise in text, but that got made into something dirty and shameful for some reason.

Outside of this forum, how did you even know about Murphy's Law?

Edited by Trauglodyte, 27 February 2014 - 11:14 AM.

[Deathlike]

Trauglodyte, on 27 February 2014 - 11:13 AM, said:

It is one reason why, when I see people in game from teh forums, that I nerdily shout out: Forum Warriors Unite! And it is really sad that there is more community here than there is in the game.

If I told you that I have more fun here than in game... well, I'd like to think I get "free forum XP". Too bad I can't cash it in for anything though.

[Trauglodyte]

Deathlike, on 27 February 2014 - 11:21 AM, said:

If I told you that I have more fun here than in game... well, I'd like to think I get "free forum XP". Too bad I can't cash it in for anything though.

Would be kind of cool if we could set up a team speak channel just for the people that cruise teh boards. At least we'd be playing with/against people with whom we converse every day. We may not agree with everything, or anything, but at least we have a communications bond. Would be like "Pump Up The Volume" meets the Underhive.

[Joseph Mallan]

Trauglodyte, on 27 February 2014 - 11:13 AM, said:

Outside of this forum, how did you even know about Murphy's Law?

End of Game. Text upper left corner. This Victory brought to you by Murphy's Law. Beginning or games. We are Murphy's Law A guild recruiting former and active military personnel. We can be found at murphslawgaming.com if interested.

However some players whined, and we decided stop advertising.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Joseph Mallan, on 27 February 2014 - 11:40 AM, said:

End of Game. Text upper left corner. This Victory brought to you by Murphy's Law. Beginning or games. We are Murphy's Law A guild recruiting former and active military personnel. We can be found at murphslawgaming.com if interested.

However some players whined, and we decided stop advertising.

That's a super special case though, with the whole military thing. Not that it's a bad thing, but most guilds arne't going to have that.

[Syrkres]

I love people asking for in game VOIP, or more chat when they (PGI) state that it's 84% solo players, which clearly don't want to group, otherwise they would join one.


Other than maybe SPAM how poor this game is going?

[Mudhutwarrior]

Roadbeer, on 27 February 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

LOL

But wait, I though the posting behavior of these Mariks were in the vein of "shills", "White Knights" and "PGI Apologists". Wouldn't that be a safe environment for them?

Management generally doesn't listen to employees.

[xe N on]

Trauglodyte, on 27 February 2014 - 10:06 AM, said:

Until there is something to fight for, the veterans are going to gradually leave. There is no title, honor, glory, or territory for which to fight. Imagine WOW PvP if you didn't get anything out of it but repair bills and what little silver you got from lewting a body.

I played this way 6 years of ID Software's Quake III Arena. One of the most sucessfull competitive multiplayer online games ...

Syrkres, on 27 February 2014 - 11:45 AM, said:

I love people asking for in game VOIP, or more chat when they (PGI) state that it's 84% solo players, which clearly don't want to group, otherwise they would join one.


Other than maybe SPAM how poor this game is going?

A decades ago people tend to play team based ego shooters by joining on a random server with a random team without voice comm.

Of couse, voice comm is some sort of powerfull tool to exchange information fast, but you can play in team and as team without VOIP, if simply everyone knows what to do and how to react. In fact the latter is real team skill, because in many situation even voice comm is too slow. In a good team anyone knows what to do without beeing told.

Therefore, the assumption that only because 84% players drop solo means that they don't want to group is simply wrong. They simply don't want to tie themself to a fixed group of individuals dictacting their gameing times. They want to relax in this game and not go for e-sports.

Edited by xe N on, 27 February 2014 - 12:08 PM.

[Bhael Fire]

The majority of players are solo players just wanting quick and casual mech battles...they do not want to dedicate additional time organizing teams. This is and has been the case for a very long time; PGI is finally opening their eyes to this fact.

Eventually they will realize that a solo ONLY queue is not only wanted but needed for the game to thrive. But the upcoming Solo + 2-3 man group only queue is a step in the right direction.

Edited by Bhael Fire, 27 February 2014 - 01:00 PM.

[Axeman1]

I'm glad groups are on their way out, hopefully soon premades will be a thing of the past. There was never a good reason for why premades could stomp pugs except that the player base was [still is] too small.

In other news, Elder scrolls online beta weekend coming up