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[Skyraxx]

To those complaining about the rewards, sure more MC or something else would be great but it's not really about that honestly. It's more or less about seeing how well you can do and how far you can get on the leaderboard.

I'd wager most of us have jobs and could easily go to work for a very short period of time compared to how long we played in the tourney and make plenty that we could use to buy MC if we really wanted to.

[Sudden]

where do i find the score bord. i cant seem to locate the damn thing

[Gremlich Johns]

prize MC AND a mechbay would have been nice.

and @Sudden, go back to the first page of this thread.

[Kyynele]

gz Velah for passing me in the final hours.

I guess I'll have to buy my next mechbay with my own money, lol.

I got to play a ton of games with the top ten peoples, thank you all, it was a great thing to behold. I think one match had 7-8 top ten people on one side. That was glorious.

[Evil Ed]

Yeah, very fun to play this tournament (until I Sunday lunch got bored and threw in the towel)! Besides my 4 kills/8 assists/910 dmg match on Castic I had one match that stood out from the rest, a huge brawl on Terra Therma. Started with the usual complains how bad this map was, boring bla. bla. bla. I replied "One of the best in 12-mans" while running away to get the first few assists secured. Ran into the enemy lance I was looking for in one of those bowl-like spots, and now the fun started: The rest of my lance arrived a few seconds later and started the brawl, me sneaking away to take position with my PPC-Cicada, and the arrival of the rest of the players was nothing but perfect! They arrived one by one (no one sticks with the lancemates when there is blood in the water!), just enough to replace the fallen and maintain the meatgrinder. Me of course at a perfect spot to view the action while waiting for the PPCs to cooldown. After the last one had fallen there was 22ish corpses in an area not larger then 200x200 meters, great stuff!

Edit: wp Kyynele - very tight group and fun to run into the other top-10ers!

Edited by Evil Ed, 03 March 2014 - 06:48 AM.

[Deathlike]

I will probably have to post on the tourney subforum about this, but here's a few details:

1) The #s prove what we already knew... of all the mediums, the Shadowhawk was king. You did not need to be a meta-expert to know this. It also proved that the Trebuchet is the worst medium, full stop. This was true in a previous tourney where the Trebuchet was still bottom tier in the scoring. If you even knew why it is bottom tier in presence or even in the meta, it should be obvious (or you could read my mech experience post somewhere lodged in the battlemech forums. I think I have a few ideas addressing some of that...

I also could not anticipate GMan appearing from the shadows and taking 1st in the buckets. I can't even explain it.

2) The games varied a lot. Obviously the "quality" of games depended on the time of day. The problem though is the MM. You would "assume" the MM works better if there were more solo players in the queue (the tourney requires you to drop solo). However, I still saw plenty of "players that didn't have a clue", close games that had people stuck @ even scoring, only needing one domino to go down where then it became "a lopsided victory", and people still chasing the squirrel (I'm guilty like the next person of doing it).

The issue though is that if you knew (personally, or by reputation) of some of the players in the tourney, all you had to do was count how many was on your team, vs the opposing team, and you could already declare the winner. How the MM even allowed this is beyond me, but if anything, the MM exacerbated the terrible issue it already has right now. I'm not even sure if this is actually acceptable going forward. At least in the games where the game was stacked with tourney goes (on one side or another), the game was generally inconsequential... it was always a landslide, but not enough to feed the tourney goers scoring.

3) When I took any break during the tourney (playing in a premade in any non-serious capacity), it was far easier to manipulate the outcome of the matches, due to what was occurring. Some people have called it "farming" and I was kinda dismissing that notion during the tourney... but you know what... I believe this is correct. One thing that tends to happen in the tourney is the "less teamwork" aspect. People actually play with a different reckless abandon, which allows them to be picked off much more easily the normal. Not everyone is affected this way, but a lot less communication happens, or even much group approach is done, so games tend to head in a less effective direction. Sure, there's some luck involved (and the MM can rig it either way), but when you expect good players to "do the right thing", you will catch them not doing that a little more often because of the tourney. Just a shot or two to get that easy kill suddenly gets you smashed instead, and despite this "claim" of being a team game, the tourney exposes the natural course of kill stealing and "assist grinding" to the next level. It really does not cause people to band together to win... they break on fundamentals just to score more for the board, and teammates be damned.

If you thought teamwork really existed in this tourney, it's only half there. It was dumped for "me me me".

Edit:
One random note - I ended up with 2 ties in the tourney (which, I guess I got screwed, since ties get me no points), and JHunch (that is my new name for Jman5) was part of one. Yea... that was silly and maddening at the same time.

Also, I ranked 18th in the Bucket category, not that it matters in the grand scheme of things.

Edited by Deathlike, 03 March 2014 - 07:05 AM.

[Racersky]

I noticed a lot of fast firing ac's going on...did anyone else noticed? Sounded like mad bees out there, especially with the shadows?

[Reno Blade]

And, not surprisingly, only the Shadow hawk is on par with lights/heavies and then on top are the assaults.
This should show what most already know:
the Shadow hawk is currently the strongest medium, the light/heavy and (even more so) the assaults are better than medium mechs in general.

Edit: Death beat me to it.

Edited by Reno Blade, 03 March 2014 - 07:20 AM.

[Eglar]

credits to scop for the original picture

[InRev]

PGI needs to give all the MC to scop for that image.

Good lord if that wasn't the full experience, distilled.

[Racersky]

I must admit, I need to figure out how to shoot fast with 3 ac's! But overall I must admit this was interesting as this was my first all tourny for a weight class.

[ShinVector]

Eglar, on 03 March 2014 - 07:29 AM, said:

credits to scop for the original picture

That Mechwarrior dude needs a life.
(Don't see the real one much nowadays.)

[Dakross]

Thanks to PGI for running the tournament. Even though I'm an average player, I had fun and got to see a lot of different people, builds, and play styles.

Dak

[Daelen Rottiger]

Dakross, on 03 March 2014 - 07:54 AM, said:

Thanks to PGI for running the tournament. Even though I'm an average player, I had fun and got to see a lot of different people, builds, and play styles.

Dak

weird... I most of the time found AC20 Yen-Lo, AC20 Blackjack, Dual Gauss, Dual AC20, Dual PPC& AC/UAC/5.

Must be something special about those

[soaq]

that pic is absolutely perfect lol it fit my tourney experience to a T haha.

Edited by soaq, 03 March 2014 - 08:55 AM.

[Eglar]

Daelen Rottiger, on 03 March 2014 - 08:26 AM, said:

weird... I most of the time found AC20 Yen-Lo, AC20 Blackjack, Dual Gauss, Dual AC20, Dual PPC& AC/UAC/5.

Must be something special about those

Ah, the metagame. Yes, Metaweapons are great but you know what?
If you really want a challenge;
Play like heimdelight with his gauss + ERLas (?) Victor
Cyborx with his 1Ac2 1ERLas 3xLRM5 Troll Centurion
TFun90 with his Dual AC2 BJ-1
and the countless other players in the top10 I forgot to mention
Those people could have performed much better but they opted not to and go for fun instead.

I made it to #3 in Heavies in a Firebrand and Dual-Gauss CTF before I went for the CTF-3D with dual AC5/PPC. In fact, my best heavy scores were made with the Jaegermech.

[WVAnonymous]

Many props to the community. Several thousand players opted in as far as I can tell from how far down I am in the categories that I only dropped in once to get a head count.

Many props to all of you who can string together 200+ point games on a regular basis! The highest leaderboard slot I ever got to was in the mid-80's in Griffin.

Maximum props to Edmeister! Fourth highest overall score on all the boards, and doing it in Lights. (I assume a Jenner, but my Elo is low, so I didn't see him.)

[cSand]

Managed to squeak in some more drops last night bringing me to 106th in heavy category. Gave myself a pat on the back and went to bed, lol.

Once again, some of the best PUG matches I've played were this weekend, indeed some of the best matches I've played in general. People were fighting HARD, which was great, and working together very well. The formula may not be perfect but damn what a fun weekend!

Hope to see MANY more of these. Big congrats to all the winners. Guess I know who to target next time

Maybe "Heavies vs The World" next ...

Actually, since we can obviously do leaderboards, it would be so very cool to have a constant leaderboard running for each chassis or even weight class.

Edited by cSand, 03 March 2014 - 09:13 AM.

[TygerLily]

Eglar, on 03 March 2014 - 08:59 AM, said:

Ah, the metagame. Yes, Metaweapons are great but you know what?
If you really want a challenge;
Play like heimdelight with his gauss + ERLas (?) Victor
Cyborx with his 1Ac2 1ERLas 3xLRM5 Troll Centurion
TFun90 with his Dual AC2 BJ-1
and the countless other players in the top10 I forgot to mention
Those people could have performed much better but they opted not to and go for fun instead.

I made it to #3 in Heavies in a Firebrand and Dual-Gauss CTF before I went for the CTF-3D with dual AC5/PPC. In fact, my best heavy scores were made with the Jaegermech.

You probably know better than me...but I'm highly skeptical that they kept to their "fun" builds when the pressure was on...

[Skyraxx]

I used a 3 medium laser, 3 srm 6 griffin. Not sure if that counts as meta or not.