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[Ngamok]

River City both, too small for 12s.

[Col Jaime Wolf]

Deathlike, on 04 April 2014 - 11:38 AM, said:

I don't understand the "argument" used for Mordor (outside of my ultimate hatred for that map for various reasons) with Lights.

The key thing to lights on that map is to "scout the dome" and take it over before the opposing lights can do anything about it. They have plenty of space to work from like the mountain-sides of the circular walkway structure, or the lower middle structure and if you really had to bail, you have the "lava river exits". You have to be creative on your "exit strategy" if you have more pressing things to deal with.

The map most lights would suffer from is actually Alpine, although the "mountain ranges" allow you to get as close as you can in that wide area.

I speak while primarily driving a Jenner (have 2, the K and D, although I'm getting back to the 3D these days), and mastered every light mech except the Lolcust (not willing to drive something that useless, although the Spider-5V was a serious challenge to my patience).

Lights are pretty much useful anywhere... the question is how you apply yourself in choosing when to attack and how you minimize taking hits.

I do consider myself primarily a light pilot, but meh.

its not so bad in a light because at least you can use your speed and the general inability to see on that map to hit and run.
but even then if i could choose i would never choose mordor, even in a light

[Rubidiy]

all of 'em. Although they have tendency of becoming better. Thus latest ones are better than earlier maps.
Alpine peaks is not a map at all. Should be deleted from the game.

[Col Jaime Wolf]

Escef, on 02 April 2014 - 05:54 AM, said:

Ok, let's review your logic, shall we?

Terra Therma + light mech + Escef = good results

Terra Therma + light mech + MWHighlander = good results

Terra Therma + light mech + Bront = good results

Terra Therma + light mech + IceCase88 = bad results

So, the obvious conclusion is that the people getting good results are inferior light pilots because they... get good results when you don't?

Yeah, that makes much more sense than the conclusion that you're the one doing something wrong... But, hey, if you're happy this way, go for it, I guess.

hey thread highjacker

more than one person has said they don't like mordor, in fact if you page through this thread it seems mordor is THE MOST DISLIKED MAP period.

i have many lights ( 9 right now but i have sold off at least 4 and death knell almost takes first place for my favorite mech right now) most are skilled out entirely, i find mordor a little better with lights but only because lights can make use of its size and the fact that the enemy doesn't see you so well and they cant just flip on heat vision to compensate.

but still its a horrid map and its really horrid for most assaults and anything without JJ or lots of speed, so all im hearing from you SPECIFICALLY is that you like to play your lights on mordor, congrats thank you for letting us know

now stop thread highjacking and drop it. the gentlemen already agreed to disagree with you. in a word grow up and learn to accept others opinions, trying to "outvote" him to your side does nothing.

thank you have a good day.

Edited by Mellifluer, 05 April 2014 - 02:43 AM.

[Escef]

Mellifluer, on 05 April 2014 - 02:40 AM, said:

thank you have a good day.

Is there a particular reason why you feel a need to pick a fight with me?

EDIT: To elaborate, I never said anyone was obligated to like or dislike any map, Terra Therma included. I was pointing out that his idea that lights are useless on Therma was at best fallacious. Now, if you can't respect that, too bad.

Edited by Escef, 05 April 2014 - 02:55 AM.

[Garegaupa]

I think most of the maps are basically OK, though I do have some opinions and preferences.

My favorites are Caustic Valley and Canyon Network. Some maps that I'm not too fond of are Crimson Strait and River City (both night and day). My absolutely worst map is HPG Manifold, it just doesn't seem to "work" for me.

[IceCase88]

Escef, on 02 April 2014 - 05:54 AM, said:

Ok, let's review your logic, shall we?

Terra Therma + light mech + Escef = good results

Terra Therma + light mech + MWHighlander = good results

Terra Therma + light mech + Bront = good results

Terra Therma + light mech + IceCase88 = bad results

So, the obvious conclusion is that the people getting good results are inferior light pilots because they... get good results when you don't?

Yeah, that makes much more sense than the conclusion that you're the one doing something wrong... But, hey, if you're happy this way, go for it, I guess.

Assumption is the mother of all screw-ups. When did hatred of a map equal poor results. Results on a map have nothing to do with hating a map. I get good results on the map and I still hate it for the aforementioned reasons. Also, what is your definition of good results anyway? Are you the authority on results on a map? Who said you were a good light pilot?

It says you have been a member since December 2011. And those are the results you have for light mechs? The conclusion is you are not a good light pilot. Here are the results of your piloting as stated by you:

Escef, on 31 March 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

So, I've fully elited FS9s, fully elited one of the Locusts, at least Basic'd out 2 other Locusts (they're actually both shy of fully Elited by the lack of Fast Fire), fully Elited out one of the Jenners, Basic'd out 2 other Jenners, have at least Basic'd out 2 Commandos (I think I have them Elited, but I can't check since I sold the mechs off), and have Mastered the 2D Commando with over 60k XP in excess, but have not spent adequate time on Therma in lights?

I have been a member since November 2012. Here are the results of my piloting:

IceCase88, on 01 April 2014 - 06:35 PM, said:

Commando - owned 4 variants. 1B and 3A were fully elited (sold them). 2D mastered with + 16,527 XP. TDK working on basics.

Raven - 2X and 4X fully elited (sold them). 3L full master with + 95,755 XP.

Spider - 5K and 5V fully elited (sold them). 5D fully elited and 15,873 towards master.

Jenner - K fully elited (sold). F mastered + 64,454. D mastered + 8,405. Oxide mastered + 223,888.

Firestarter - Ember mastered + 9,892. A elited with 7,191 into mastering. H eliting.

Piloting results speak for themselves. You have been a member for over a year longer than I and your piloting results are far inferior.

I appreciate Bront and Mellifluer for keeping dialogue peaceful and civil. I apologize to the OP and others for sidetracking the topic. See you on the battlefield. Most of you at least.

[Escef]

IceCase88, on 05 April 2014 - 11:38 AM, said:

Assumption is the mother of all screw-ups. When did hatred of a map equal poor results. Results on a map have nothing to do with hating a map. I get good results on the map and I still hate it for the aforementioned reasons.

You said lights are useless on Therma. If you are getting good results on Therma with lights than you are obviously wrong in that statement. So, which is it? Are they useless on Therma, or are you getting results? You can't have it both ways.

[RotS Targe]

Wandering back on topic, personally, I can't stand Frozen City, and Tourmaline, because all people do is hump the ridges, and as a brawler, a game where all you do is hang behind cover while people snipe is the worse match I can have.

[Rowanas]

RotS Targe, on 05 April 2014 - 04:39 PM, said:

Wandering back on topic, personally, I can't stand Frozen City, and Tourmaline, because all people do is hump the ridges, and as a brawler, a game where all you do is hang behind cover while people snipe is the worse match I can have.

Hear, hear!

Tourmaline and Alpine are the ones I have the biggest issue with. Generally I can find somewhere on Frozen City to sneak up close and get into a proper fistfight.
Having said that, Mordor is still my favourite walking-really-slowly-and-not-getting-to-shoot-at-much simulator. Caustic is probably my favourite actual game map, with the solid mix of long, medium and close range fights available, and the heat turned up to simmer, just enough to encourage skillful management without bogging the whole thing down.

[IceCase88]

Escef, on 05 April 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:

You said lights are useless on Therma. If you are getting good results on Therma with lights than you are obviously wrong in that statement. So, which is it? Are they useless on Therma, or are you getting results? You can't have it both ways.

Actually I can have it both ways. I was not referring to me. Just pilots like you. Sorry again, OP and Posters. Last post from me on this one.

[Ravnis]

My least favorite is Caustic, because it's got next to no real cover unless you call those hills on the outer edge with miles between them good cover. Second least favorite is River City, mostly in Assault with the turrets now.

Favorites are HPG, Crimson Straight and Tera Therma.

I like the layout and idea behind tera therma even if it wasn't completed well(so many elevation changes that are drastic). I pilot lights a lot and have zero issues on this map as it's got the most cover/flanking routes of all the maps.

Edited by Rex Antilles, 05 April 2014 - 10:03 PM.

[Escef]

IceCase88, on 05 April 2014 - 06:51 PM, said:

Actually I can have it both ways. I was not referring to me. Just pilots like you. Sorry again, OP and Posters. Last post from me on this one.

Well, you can't be referring to pilots "like me", because I get results. I think you're just doing the idiotic tactic of deciding to double down on a misstatement instead of admitting you are incorrect. If you don't like the map, that's fine, you don't like the map. But don't spew blatantly incorrect information in an effort to justify your opinion.

[Rick Rawlings]

River City in either iteration is terrible. It used to be terrible in part for the spawns that encouraged the two teams to circle around each other and never meet. Now it's terrible in part because of the spawns that encourage you to not use 40% of the map. The map has always been bad for invisible architecture to trip you up. For those of you that have been here a while, I'm sure you have gotten stuck under the dropship at least once. Or stuck somewhere along the fence that runs down from the dropship spawn's left side skirting the city. Or got permanently stuck on that building on the edge of the water near the dock spawn. You know that one with the burned-out corner. Because that's the only way they could figure out how to have you not get permanently stuck on it. Heck, even the architecture you can see isn't much better. Knee high indestructable statues made out of fortress-of-steel material that are cleverly placed in a prime battle zone to stumble over? Then let's not foget shots that vanish into some black hole invisible wall that you can clearly see isn't there... You know it's bad when the turrets are the least of a map's problems. Oh... and let's not forget the turrets...

All maps have the problems above to some degree, but none of them shoves them in your face like River City. The only thing worse than river city is River City Night...

Oh, and as an aside, I pilot lights quite a bit and Terra Therma is a great map to pilot them on, especially if it has jump jets...

[Scandinavian Jawbreaker]

River City Assault. BOOORING.

[anonymous161]

All the maps suck. All are poorly designed are riddled with bugs, all reel you in the center, there is no variety at all, and as for alpine and terra they should be sued and lose the franchise over this, just unbelievable.

[Foxfire]

River City.

I hate that map with a passion. It always devolves into a game of camping your side of the city and waiting to see who gets bored enough to step into the open area first.