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[Madok Pryde]

The Urbie is appalled that His most glorious requisition thread has been hijacked in the 300 the post hour by discussion of His true form.
All hail the King of Battle, His Urbaness
The Urbanmech.

[Cimarb]

...nerds...












-.-

[stjobe]

Cimarb, on 12 March 2015 - 04:11 PM, said:

...nerds...

Why thank you. Looking good yourself there, Star Captain.

The Urbie approves

[Smoked]

Ovion, on 12 March 2015 - 03:37 PM, said:

"The word "mecha" (メカ meka^?) is an abbreviation first used in Japanese of the word "mechanical". In Japanese, mecha encompasses all mechanical objects, including cars, guns, computers, and other devices. In this sense, it is extended to humanoid, human-sized robots and such things as the boomers from Bubblegum Crisis, the similar replicants of Blade Runner; even cyborgs can be referred to as mecha. The Japanese use the term "robot" (ロボット robotto^?) or "giant robot" to distinguish limbed vehicles from other mechanical devices.^[1] One prominent example is the anime Mazinger Z, where the term "Super Robot", features in the Japanese theme song."

So since you say mechs and robots are interchangable, I guess you drive to work in your robot, you cad on your robot, and you shoot your robot. So now I understand why you call mechs, robots.

The whole point of language is communication but now people get different images of what you are describing since you use the words in a broad sense based on niche popular culture references. If you surveyed 1000 people in the US, how many people would have heard of Bubblegum Crisis or Mazinger Z? Well I guess based on your arguments, you would be correct in Japan and wrong in the US. Words tend to carry slightly different meanings based on the speaker and audience.

Edited by Smoked, 12 March 2015 - 07:19 PM.

[Nightshade24]

the term robot has a pretty broad term and different definitions (Kinda like the words "(bowl of) Cereal" "Salad" "Soup" as those words practically have no difference between them... or words like "America" that can mean dozens of things)

If we break it down, the "Mech' " isn't a robot. BUT the Targeting computer and other equipment on board is.

If we get a bit further away from it the "Mech" is no more a piloted mech then a car, airplane, or a bike is. If it is a piloted Robot then it ruins the whole definition of the word Robot unless the pilot was a robot... which then wouldn't be the vehicle that is one, but the pilot is...

A bit more specific and we can clearly say no it isn't a robot.

Also it is correct to say that mechs are not robots because there are AI piloted mechs in game. It'll get confusing.
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  A Capellan experimental unit in 3071 based on the RVN-3L, the cockpit weight is increase to 5 tons to accommodate the robotic drone control and the TAG and 1 heat sink are removed. These Mechs were operated by a AI controller known as The Broken. [8] BV (1.0) = ??, BV (2.0) = ??

also, Mech = Robot is the same way as a Plane = Drone for eg... Not really the same






ANYWAY of that topic.

Who here has there urbanmech build-built up? =3

[Ovion]

Smoked, on 12 March 2015 - 07:17 PM, said:

So since you say mechs and robots are interchangable, I guess you drive to work in your robot, you cad on your robot, and you shoot your robot. So now I understand why you call mechs, robots.

The whole point of language is communication but now people get different images of what you are describing since you use the words in a broad sense based on niche popular culture references. If you surveyed 1000 people in the US, how many people would have heard of Bubblegum Crisis or Mazinger Z? Well I guess based on your arguments, you would be correct in Japan and wrong in the US. Words tend to carry slightly different meanings based on the speaker and audience.

To the first point.

No, that's a facetious attempt at a red herring using an association fallacy.
Remember, all x are y but not all y are x

You could say I drive to work in my mech and shoot my mech.
My computer isn't especially mechanical, with the only real moving parts being the fans and 1 hard drive, but you could at a stretch say I do CAD on a mech. (Though when drawing, using a mech pencil, then yes I would be).

However, there are still prerequisites for it to be a robot, in this case, it still needs to move, generally have limbs, etc.

And surveying 1000 people in 1 country is statistically irrelevant anyway.
But regardless, using robot in this instance invalidates nothing, and you're coming across more beligerant and stubborn than trying to find reasons for it to invalidate something, rather than looking at the facts.

[Arete]

Do not sow discord amongst your sisterns and brothers of the true faith. So commands Urbanmech, Lord of all Mechs, for all actions that bring our thoughts astray from our Lord's glory are flawed and must be seared from our minds by the grace of his small laser.

[Viken]

Brethren, why must you fight amongst our greatest allies? Clan and IS alike, we all know the true power of the Urbanmech, yet you bicker in it's greatness.

Why?

Why?

The Urbanmech is displeased with such discord. Redeem yourself, and take the discussion of mechs vs robots to its rightfully linked thread elsewhere. Then, when you return, prostrate yourself in front of our avatar of destruction.

Or something. C'mon guys.

[Ovion]

You could call it discussing the nature of God.

In fact, to directly tie it in:
If the Urbanmech is an independent entity, and does not require a pilot, does that not make the Urbanmech our robot overlord?

[Tarogato]

Hey, we're all dropping in 3-mans on Urbie launch day to overload the group queue and force Urbanmech 12v12s, right?

This is going to happen, right?

[wolf74]

The UrbanMech one of the Few Mechs the Clans copied. Showing it's True Power.

And Don;t forget about UrbanMech Days this Weekend, I'll Be join you all on Sunday. (Have to Work today and Saturday two 12 hours shifts)

[jper4]

they still haven''t declared an engine cap for our urbie overlords yet have they? or did the Urbie break that like it did the torso twisting thing too?

[Dawnstealer]

Tanar, on 13 March 2015 - 08:41 AM, said:

they still haven''t declared an engine cap for our urbie overlords yet have they? or did the Urbie break that like it did the torso twisting thing too?

Someone needs to make a "break the internet" image of the urbie

[Smoked]

Ovion, on 13 March 2015 - 06:11 AM, said:

You could call it discussing the nature of God.

In fact, to directly tie it in:
If the Urbanmech is an independent entity, and does not require a pilot, does that not make the Urbanmech our robot overlord?

So you just stated why we are saying they are not robots, mechs require pilots.

Also the computer reference was from the quote you cited in support of your argument.

Most of your supporting quotes referenced Japanese pop culture hence I stated that you were right in Japan and wrong in the US.

Furthermore you can survey all 320 million people in the US and statistically speaking the results would probably be off by 0.1%, if I were to guess.

Anyway it's a word choice difference and there would be no changing your mind which word, mech or robot, would be more correct in this context. Webster Dictionary added irregardless as a synonym to regardless because enough people kept using it even though it wasn't a real word nor technically correct.

As a Nuclear and Electrical Engineer I've worked on, trouble shot and programmed many robots but have yet to see a mech in person, in context of this thread and general community. I stated that since you clearly explained that robots were a sunset of mechs.

Back to the main topic, was disappointed PGI pushed back the release date to April. Was originally slated for 3/17 when I bought the CE package the first day.

Edited by Smoked, 13 March 2015 - 11:30 AM.

[Ovion]

Yes, technically, in a direct sense, in literal terminology and engineering standards, especially english / western standards, mechs are robotic, but not robots.

I never once said otherwise.

However, in a broad sense, both in popular culture, non western culture, and fiction, Mechs / Mecha are commonly referred to as robots, and claiming peoples arguments are invalid for doing so, is both pedantic and a little childish.

Also - it was always April.
If you listen to the Town Hall pre-announcement, they said it will be released in april, and made jokes about it.
If it said 3/17, that would have been an error, now fixed.

Hence my Countdown Clock:
http://tinyurl.com/UrbanmechArrives
Three and a half weeks to go.

- Also, I'm IS again : D

Edited by Ovion, 13 March 2015 - 11:46 AM.

[YaKillinMeSmalls]

I decided to take the ol' Urbanansi out for a spin in the Pot of Gold event.
They focused me down because of the fear I evoked even as just a facsimile of the real thing.

Still made 31 points, though.

[jper4]

our urbie overlord was near the bottom third of page 1. he can not be bounced to page 2 just before his arrival dammit!

[stealthraccoon]

So, when do we get our Urbie's???



TWO WEEKS

[Ovion]

stealthraccoon, on 18 March 2015 - 08:23 PM, said:

So, when do we get our Urbie's???



TWO WEEKS

still closer to 3.

http://tinyurl.com/UrbanmechArrives

2 weeks, 5 days, 6 Hours, as of this post.

[GreyNovember]

I need to get myself one of these fabled spider urbies. They sound highly amusing.