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[AlmightyAeng]

Koniving, on 01 April 2014 - 07:03 PM, said:

I direct your attention to this.


and finally this; which I enjoyed doing without the lagshield invincibility (which in the past made it punishable) last night while standing on a Banshee.

(Language warning.)

Also point you up to the builds I mentioned before.
My better builds for it were very similar to this one with the Ember.


My only three gripes about this mech.

1) Could've used at least one energy slot, CT preferably so as to not screw over the missile tube potential. (Raven 3-L can't do more than 10 tubes due to the RT laser).
2) 2 JJs can barely get this thing off the ground and I feel like a horizontal glider with little climbing ability.
3) Like all Ravens, the legs have Locust syndrome; shots literally 'stop' before actually touching the legs and cause leg damage meaning the hitboxes are BIGGER than the legs themselves, and quite a bit too. Even with 0 armor on any other body part and 100% armor on my legs (32 points each), going at 83 kph, I still repeatedly died by legs time and time again even in an LRM storm.

I was unable to jump on the test server. Was it running 8v8? And how come the 'raven riding' video shows it as a 4X in the corner?

Edit: Nvm, it's an old video from April, not a new video of you riding a Banshee. Got it.

Edited by Ghost Badger, 02 April 2014 - 07:59 AM.

[Alistair Winter]

Featherwood, on 02 April 2014 - 07:44 AM, said:

You have stepped on my aching toe: ECM. It is still overpowered 'cause of that ridiculous invisibility, which contradicts both TT rules and real life physics laws (electronic jamming =/= stealth technology). I've participated in all ECM sh*tstorms of the past and know that Paul will ignore anything (articles, links, rational suggestions, logical explanation), but damn it, if that joke of a game designer was able to analyze statistics, he would have seen long time ago that most of PUG teams without ECM 'Mechs lose. BUT. If that fantasy spell of Paul Innouye The Fairy would be removed (just invisibility, ECM should be able to prevent locking and so on), it became normalized piece of equipment in the very moment.

As for Griffin GRF-2N

it's a nice 'Mech, but it would instantly become no-brainer's choice 'cause of that 1.5 ton fairy-box. It also worth mentioning that GRF-2N supposed to be rare 'Mech, but you know...

Just like..... every other mech with an ECM variant is a no-brainer? Raven? Check. Spider? Check. Commando? Check. Cicada? Check. Atlas? Well, you could make an argument for the RS, but.... check.

The fact that the 1.5 ton fairy box is so good that no one would ever dream of unequipping it for any other build in existence should be a fairly good indication of how OP it is. For those who look at the meta and can't already see the writing on the wall, that is.

[Featherwood]

Alistair Winter, on 02 April 2014 - 08:31 AM, said:

Just like..... every other mech with an ECM variant is a no-brainer? Raven? Check. Spider? Check. Commando? Check. Cicada? Check. Atlas? Well, you could make an argument for the RS, but.... check.

The fact that the 1.5 ton fairy box is so good that no one would ever dream of unequipping it for any other build in existence should be a fairly good indication of how OP it is. For those who look at the meta and can't already see the writing on the wall, that is.

Aye, so true, but looks like you misunderstood second part of my post. I was trying to explain (my PoV) why we saw no GRF-2N - PGI themselves are frightened of a released jinn. If memory serves me well, Spider SDR-5D was last of ECM 'Mechs released and it was in June 2012!

P.S. Commando COM-2D is the only exclusion from your rule, but with SSRMs comeback it could shine, well..., spark again.

[TehSBGX]

Wheres Muninn?

[Mason Grimm]

While this is only a micro poll compared to what most MWO polls are the following MechSpecs Huginn poll shows that people aren't really happy with the hero mech.



Yes, loving it!: 2 (8.3%)

No, it is garbage: 14 (58.3%)

No, it needs tweaking (explain): 5 (20.8%)

Don't care; I don't pilot lights: 3 (12.5%)



Add B and C and you get 79.1% of people are unhappy with the mech in one form or another.

[Slar]

The hardpoints are very disappointing.

A couple of mediums in the ct would be nice...even 1. Putting them in the ct would limit what could be used due to the engine, but at least we'd have an option then.

How this competes with the 4 mg 4 med laser Firestarter is beyond me.

I haven't ever seen a mech have hardpoints adjusted though so... alas for this poor Raven.

[Flyby215]

My very first match with the Huginn. My next several matches were far less successful, although I think that had more to do with the [scrap] matchmaker than anything else (repeated 12-0 stomps for one side or the other).




Well, I for one am thoroughly enjoying my Huginn thus far!

Edited by Flyby215, 02 April 2014 - 12:27 PM.

[Koniving]

Ghost Badger, on 02 April 2014 - 07:58 AM, said:

I was unable to jump on the test server. Was it running 8v8? And how come the 'raven riding' video shows it as a 4X in the corner?

Edit: Nvm, it's an old video from April, not a new video of you riding a Banshee. Got it.

Old vid. (The actual act is kind of a ban-able offense. I got warned in the past. )

Suffice to say it 1) worked better due to host state rewind, and 2) unlike then I wasn't glitching by falling through the player over and over (checked in third person) so I wasn't invincible. (In fact I did wind up losing a leg and almost lost the other before the match ended).

My Huginn had the AC/20 on the right side (just for fun), and I had to use a ramp to get on a Banshee in Alpine (it can't jump that high -- like I said it needs more jumpjets than 2). But it was damn good fun.

Oh, I have some Huginn vids up. One was stock (I need to put annotations on it 'cause my mic was muted the whole time) and the other has commentary + many of the joke builds to see if they were possible.

<--First LRM-40 Raven on youtube.

Edited by Koniving, 02 April 2014 - 11:56 AM.

[IceCase88]

All the Heroes have the same number of weapon, or one less, hardpoints than the other variants in the class. The Huginn actually has 1 more weapon hardpoint and still looks inferior. The only way to make the Huginn viable is make its hardpoints 2M/2B/2E. Give my Oxide 1 or 2 energy hardpoints to bring it on par with the weapon hardpoints of the other variants.

[TurkeyMcCoolRay]

POWR, on 02 April 2014 - 05:41 AM, said:

I think you are more discussing an outright broken mechanic of the battletech game style. Ammo is an inherent extreme weakness, but making the ammo powered weapons better means everyone uses those and everyone whines that lasers are bad. Make lasers better and everyone whines that ammo powered weapons are totally gimp and shouldn't exist. Should all mechs have equal split of ammo and energy? Why even bother having different mechs and setups and teams and stuff.

We can all go play Rocket Arena right now. Best Quake mod. 1v1 and only one weapon that everyone starts out with that also has infinite ammo. Only your skill matters now. None of all that other nonsense like metagame and overpowered or underpowered. Just your ability to move, aim and shoot at the right time. None of those distracting other factors to interfere with the enjoyment of destroying your opponent.

According to general belief of posters here, then 85% of all mechs and weapons in the game are completely useless and will never ever be useful. Well. There are no other weapons. You have it all. Just use the ones that are good, discard the rest. The whole point of variety is nonsensical. Rocket Arena took it away and focused the game on its purest point. Everything else is just something that will end up never being used because someone decides it's not good.

pretty good bit of truth in this post, that has gone ignored.

[Der BruzZzler von Wiesndoof]

Edward Mattlov, on 01 April 2014 - 07:58 PM, said:

If they released powerful Hero mechs, the cries of "Pay to Win!" would reach epic proportions and echo to the farthest corners of the Earth and the internet.

^This!

BTW: Only Hugin? Where is Munin? Hugin is nothing without Munin... Like the twin Dragons (Fang and Flame)!
They should release a second Hero-Raven with energy HP's named Munin. Odins Ravens are reunited and everything is fine!

[AkilaX]

Yes! \o/ I've been wanting this for sometime since I fell in love with the 3L. Now I can get rid of that 2X atrocity.

[Harathan]

Well Odin always did care more for Muninn than Huginn...

[ZachMan119]

This thing is mean in game...

[Tarriss Halcyon]

I still believe that PGI's hit and miss record with hero mechs shines with this. Worst hardpoint layout so far, on top of the inherant issues of being a Raven. (Bad hitboxes, next-to-useless without ECM, etc). Death's Knell outclasses it as a scout/headhunter. Oxide is better for streak carrying. Ember is just all-around better. The only thing that Huginn can do is "hug" mechs at range with the arms of 20 LRMs, and even then, why not get yourself a c-bill Medium mech with missile hardpoints? Griffin, Kintaro, Wolverine and (arguably) Hunchback-4J are better for that. They can carry just as many, if not more, missiles, and have laser hardpoints.

Also, I will stop ridiculing this mech (as much at least) when I start seeing Raven pilots (other than Kon, who I respect immensely for his skill and inventiveness with builds) with actual sense. For example, the 3L who had a (slight) height advantage over my SRM20 Stalker on HPG Array deciding to stand still within the range of the Stalker's torso elevation and shoot at me. He lost both legs in a single shot. Or the Ravens who insist that they are not scouts when there are no other fast mechs on the team, and so on. Granted, I've seen some stupid behaviour in other Light mech pilots (Locust on Alpine standing still to tag-lock a Gauss sniper comes to mind - he was down one leg in a single shot), but I see it more often in Ravens than the others, which is strange since it's not a Trial mech.

Also, to the guy who argued about COM-2D: It's been a good mech for ages, it's just not a true scout. It's more an ECM Light Hunter than anything else - counter ECM and pound with Streaks or SRMs, then get out if it leads you into trouble. Better suited to that kind of hunting than any of the other ECM lights...

Edited by Tarriss Halcyon, 02 April 2014 - 04:26 PM.

[ArchMage Sparrowhawk]

The Birdeater, on 02 April 2014 - 01:55 PM, said:

^This!

BTW: Only Hugin? Where is Munin? Hugin is nothing without Munin... Like the twin Dragons (Fang and Flame)!
They should release a second Hero-Raven with energy HP's named Munin. Odins Ravens are reunited and everything is fine!

This is a lovely idea. Give Munin missile and energy hardpoints and ECM, so you have 2 hero Ravens with different personality. I'd like that a lot.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Koniving, on 02 April 2014 - 11:52 AM, said:

<--First LRM-40 Raven on youtube.

So I take it that it relatively safe to say that the Puma/Adder will not be DOA?

[Koniving]

Shar Wolf, on 02 April 2014 - 04:50 PM, said:

So I take it that it relatively safe to say that the Puma/Adder will not be DOA?

Their LRMs are lighter, so it'd definitely be pretty wicked and have more ammo tonnage.

[Hika]

i love ravens, i brought this mech
But for god sake.. this mech is a crap.

[Kivatu]

yeah i bought it .nice design,and its unique , most of us did request a raven hero, so pgi did listen , for that i thank them