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[Dark DeLaurel]

Craig Steele, on 15 April 2014 - 10:55 PM, said:

I'll just leave this here for you

I have no urge to turn this in to even more of a gong show that this thread is, but in the end your post history for a lot of threads in the Clans section is pure argumentative. The last I seem to remember being about Ulric in both the main forum and if i remember right in the Wolf section also.

[DirePhoenix]

Josef Koba, on 15 April 2014 - 03:00 PM, said:

Ah, thanks Pyrrho. I was under the misguided impression that it was going to be released today (15 April). I believe I read that in the "State of the Inner Sphere" post from December. Bummer.

The Launch Module was pushed back to April 29 back in February. I don't know if it was pushed back further.

Edited by DirePhoenix, 15 April 2014 - 11:16 PM.

[Craig Steele]

Dark DeLaurel, on 15 April 2014 - 10:58 PM, said:

I have no urge to turn this in to even more of a gong show that this thread is, but in the end your post history for a lot of threads in the Clans section is pure argumentative. The last I seem to remember being about Ulric in both the main forum and if i remember right in the Wolf section also.

So what's your point here then? Anyone who you disagree with is "argumentative"?. No one is entitled to an opinion that doesn't conform to yours?

Isn't that the definition of argumentative? You're arguing for the sake of arguing? Why do you even weigh in here with this if you have nothing to offer to the discussion?

Need a mirror?

Want me to quote Sandpit again?

[DirePhoenix]

Sandpit, on 15 April 2014 - 06:09 PM, said:

teams have better chances of winning by all accounts from devs. so 11 premade +1 solo will have a better chance at winning than 12 random pugs

The thought was that a soloer jumping into the 12th spot of the group queue of one or more groups that made 11 would have an extremely easy time, as the actual grouped players would do all the heavy lifting. With such an easy ride, many soloers would take advantage of the group queue and jump in there for the easy wins. Possibly outnumbering the actual grouped players in the group queue.

What would be hilarious is if there were so many soloers in the group queue that you ended up with team of 12 "groups" of 1, and they all sit around thinking that everyone else is in groups and will take up their slack.

[GalaxyBluestar]

DirePhoenix, on 15 April 2014 - 11:13 PM, said:

What would be hilarious is if there were so many soloers in the group queue that you ended up with team of 12 "groups" of 1, and they all sit around thinking that everyone else is in groups and will take up their slack.

we have it, it's the public queue where being beaten wasn't because people wanted to shoot you and you wanted to stare at the ground or take half a match to figure out where your team is fighting the enemy but because elo is flawed and the other team had premades. the quality of player around now compared to 15 months ago is abismal.

you see being as casual as i am i'm rarely on when there's friends on etc. it'd be so cool to see a lobby of names etc need one more guy i'm there being your body gaurd and wiith people who even now how to use teamchat effectively, none of it exsists in the public queue and i can't be hearding cats through teamchat or i'll be shot at, in fact my chat becomes interupted between shooting opponants it just doesn't work.

still VOIP seems to have gotten on the table... so what advantage would any size of group player have then? VOIP was the only reason premades were the "devil" so if they got VOIP in as Russ and co have recently chatted about why not allow premades of any size in the public queue as VOIP would link them to the randoms and boom everyone's a "12 man". no advantage over the other and elo should be covering the herp newbie derps from the vets.

PGI can't introduce group limits for premades because Voip makes them OP and introduce VOIP to link everyone. or they can admit their ELO MM is broken and always has been?

Edited by GalaxyBluestar, 15 April 2014 - 11:33 PM.

[Osric Lancaster]

DirePhoenix, on 15 April 2014 - 11:13 PM, said:

What would be hilarious is if there were so many soloers in the group queue that you ended up with team of 12 "groups" of 1, and they all sit around thinking that everyone else is in groups and will take up their slack.

Well for one a group queue game isn't going to get started without a group to start it.

For another that group will get matched against a similarly sized group / combination of other groups, when available.

( If they aren't available and we go with the Paul system you waste 10 minutes and the match fails to launch. )

For a third, didn't that whole "joining group games to get easy wins" thing get shot down on page 31?

Spoiler

I think I should sleep now before I get any dumber. If I'd followed that conversation tree I'd have realized you were just rehashing, not advocating that perspective.

Edited by Osric Lancaster, 16 April 2014 - 01:14 AM.

[Dauphni]

I'm still really bummed about 3/3/3/3, for one simple reason: if you're running a 4-man lance, you can't all take the same mech. I know they're doing it to cut down on the huge overpopulation of Assault mechs, and I can get behind that cause. However, there's something indescribably amazing about getting together a group of friends and all running the same thing, whether that be a Steiner scout lance or all trial mediums or whatever. That is just so much fun, and 3/3/3/3 would destroy that, because the team size doesn't line up nicely with the team distribution. I feel like the matchmaker should be able to accommodate that.

For example, it could try to do a basic 3/3/3/3, but make exceptions in case there's a group with four of the same weight class. Since there should be only one group per side, it's easy to adjust the values on the opposing team. Say if one group is running an assault lance, and another is running a light lance, and they get matched together, make it 4/2/2/4 for both sides. That way balance is more or less maintained, and people will still be able to drop any way they like. With one group per team there are really only three possible distributions, those being 3/3/3/3, 4/3/3/2, and 4/4/2/2 (in any order), none of which seem very lopsided to me if they're applied equally to both teams.

[Navy Sixes]

I don't know if this has been said before, I haven't been able to go back through the entirety of the thread because, you know, there's a lot of other stuff going on in here. Don't stop, by the way, it's a hoot to read. I'm just saying.

So here's how I see this working:

Worthless scumbag peasant underhive Solo PUGs drop with a fourth option (Skirmish, Assault, Conquest, or Group) If there are slots open in a group queue, and they've clicked that option, they get placed in a match with the leet aryan overlord master-race team-players. Group queues have to start with a majority of slots filled with groups on both sides (I think no less than 8 team-players on a side, so no one will have more than 4 solos).

Some may think that if one team has 2 solos and the other team has 4, the match isn't fair. To this I say, "Man, you group players got soft n fat troll munching on PUGers!" What happened to, "I liked 8v8 because we could carry a bad team"? Now 8 of you can't carry one lance? Maybe team-play isn't something I want to drop with... sounds like y'all turned out to be a bunch of busters . Are you sure you want to go against other teams? Maybe you should just stick to trolling the PUGs...

All kidding aside, though, if the group queues turn out to be a six-man and six solos vs. a seven-man and five solos, then

• I don't want to drop in. It will just be the PUGs with a few extra prem-trolls. Why would I want to do that if I can just PUG and get no more than a lance of premades? If PGI makes this happen for the premade teams, you guys have got to dedicate yourselves to it, even though it will be a lot harder than the easy cheese you've been getting fat on dropping a four man into the PUGs.
  
• Premades are going to have to acknowledge that, for all of the forum noise about wanting to drop with their buds, there are just not enough of you out there to warrant catering to. Either you can't field enough premades to get your own matches, or most of you would rather troll the PUGs in four-man squads instead of going up against teams comprised mostly of other groups.

In any event, it's not PGI's fault. It's not the PUGs' fault. It's the premades' fault. Before you try to encourage solos to join up groups, you need to start by encouraging the premade groups already out there to put down the PUG crack-pipe and use the premade queue, or it really won't work.

[Sam Slade]

Craig Steele, on 15 April 2014 - 03:46 AM, said:

If this is so easy to do, how come they are in business making the big bucks and you're not running the show?

Just asking?

Actually quite a few of us are making the 'big bucks' you speak of... enough that buying a clan pack means nothing... but we don't because PGI

[Magna Canus]

Sandpit, on 15 April 2014 - 07:01 PM, said:

More frustration than anything to be honest. It's not really any kind of anger. It's a video game. I can easily (and have) start playing other games. The clan pack money that was going to purchase a Massakari pack has gone to SC instead. It's not the end of the world for MWO but more and more people I know are doing just that. Why get all bent out of shape over it? It's much easier to just find a game that DOES let me play with friends.

Might see you there in SC once the DFM comes out. Same situation here, money I might have given PGI has instead been given to SC. Like another guy posted before, MWO was at one time the ONLY game I played, but not anymore and each day less and less.

[Cyberassassin]

Allow selectable option for Private Matches to fill empty slots with PUGers.
Also include a private-match option for PUGers to join. Calculate some ELO matching. =fix for 12v12 low-fill games
- Find a way to do the weight/class match, maybe just auto-fill the PUGer during game launch.

This way PUGers can get a taste of next-level play. Game hosts can post team speak/ Vent info.
Can PGI setup an interface screen, before launch,to display this relevant info for PUGers when they join?
If players are good they can get re-invited and continue playing next-level.

as a side note- why not do this for 10v12 (ClanvIS)? Allow the user community to choose to be down 2 mechs even if you are going to keep balance between clans and IS. MAKE IT FUN and Challenging! Big rewards for big risks!!

IMO - Being a lance should be the sweet spot for groups. Shouldn't the Metagame be Lance oriented?
In other games you form squads and other small groups that join the larger scale game. Why aren't Lances being encouraged?

[Craig Steele]

Sam Slade, on 16 April 2014 - 02:02 AM, said:

Actually quite a few of us are making the 'big bucks' you speak of... enough that buying a clan pack means nothing... but we don't because PGI

I was asked to stay "above the belt" (my words) by a Forum member so I will, but I'll just point out my question wasn't whether you were or were not "making big bucks".

[Mycrus]

Craig Steele, on 16 April 2014 - 02:50 AM, said:

I was asked to stay "above the belt" (my words) by a Forum member so I will, but I'll just point out my question wasn't whether you were or were not "making big bucks".

Mr Steele,

What's your after shave?

You seem to be very popular with all the... TROLLS.

Love,
Mycrus

Ps I still miss you.

Sam Slade, on 16 April 2014 - 02:02 AM, said:

Actually quite a few of us are making the 'big bucks' you speak of... enough that buying a clan pack means nothing... but we don't because PGI

Mr Steele is wut I call a Lolcow.

Btw, register on the F8L forumz... The smack talk is better there...

[Tekadept]

Mycrus, on 16 April 2014 - 03:50 AM, said:

Mr Steele,

What's your after shave?

You seem to be very popular with all the... TROLLS.

Love,
Mycrus

Ps I still miss you.



Mr Steele is wut I call a Lolcow.

Btw, register on the F8L forumz... The smack talk is better there...

[Mylardis]

Craig Steele, on 15 April 2014 - 07:53 PM, said:

I count less than 20 "solo" players wanting to join group queues in this thread (happy to be corrected, will freely admit I skimmed) but thats hardly "quite a few" in the context of the 1.6m accounts that MW:O apparently has. But then again, the thread is reasonably new as well so maybe in time

As proven many times in these forums, your argument is invalid. We (oh, btw, then I'm number 21) are a silent majority, you are on an island. And that's that. If PGI can use that argument, so can I.

Edited by DasAmok, 16 April 2014 - 04:04 AM.

[Craig Steele]

DasAmok, on 16 April 2014 - 04:04 AM, said:

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As proven many times in these forums, your argument is invalid. We (oh, btw, then I'm number 21) are a silent majority, you are on an island. And that's that. If PGI can use that argument, so can I.

Sorry, exactly which argument did I make that you imply is invalid? Also could you link to all those "many times" that this has been "proven".

Should be a short list. Won't take you too much time

[Mylardis]

Craig Steele, on 16 April 2014 - 04:14 AM, said:

Sorry, exactly which argument did I make that you imply is invalid? Also could you link to all those "many times" that this has been "proven".

Should be a short list. Won't take you too much time

I gather you think irony is something about metalworks?

I just wanted to point out that your measuring the responses in this thread as an indicator of any majority or minority opinion is BS. The same BS we get fed from PGI when they start interpreting statistics and causalities.

That's all. I will not start argueing with you - take me as number 21 in this thread, and quite probably (even though not proven) there are many more. A sample can be tasted in that poll thread somebody linked a few posts ago.

Edited by DasAmok, 16 April 2014 - 04:18 AM.

[Ransack]

Tycho von Gagern, on 16 April 2014 - 01:54 AM, said:

• I don't want to drop in. It will just be the PUGs with a few extra prem-trolls. Why would I want to do that if I can just PUG and get no more than a lance of premades? If PGI makes this happen for the premade teams, you guys have got to dedicate yourselves to it, even though it will be a lot harder than the easy cheese you've been getting fat on dropping a four man into the PUGs.

I really have to ask you and anyone who feels this way, why? Why would you even enter the group queue if you have this fear? It defies logic for you to leave the solo/4 man queue.

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• Premades are going to have to acknowledge that, for all of the forum noise about wanting to drop with their buds, there are just not enough of you out there to warrant catering to. Either you can't field enough premades to get your own matches, or most of you would rather troll the PUGs in four-man squads instead of going up against teams comprised mostly of other groups.

Once again, there is nothing to acknowledge. We are asking for a place where you know the risks going in. Live with the consequences not come to the forums and *****.

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In any event, it's not PGI's fault. It's not the PUGs' fault. It's the premades' fault. Before you try to encourage solos to join up groups, you need to start by encouraging the premade groups already out there to put down the PUG crack-pipe and use the premade queue, or it really won't work.

What the hell do you think we are asking for? There is NO premade queue currently. PGI's plan is giving you more of the same thing that you are blaming premades for. I think you should check yourself.

[Craig Steele]

DasAmok, on 16 April 2014 - 04:17 AM, said:

I gather you think irony is something about metalworks?

I just wanted to point out that your measuring the responses in this thread as an indicator of any majority or minority opinion is BS. The same BS we get fed from PGI when they start interpreting statistics and causalities.

That's all. I will not start argueing with you - take me as number 21 in this thread, and quite probably (even though not proven) there are many more. A sample can be tasted in that poll thread somebody linked a few posts ago.

If you wanted to be Ironic, you didn't need to quote me or link me, you could have just left me out of it.

If you had of read the thread, my response was in reply to someone else who had done exactly the same except without a quantity. In any case, 21 or 50, heck even 5,000. Out of 1.6m accounts (supposedly) it's not exactly a raging majority is it?

I'll just leave this here for you, I'm rather fond of this one.

Sandpit, on 14 April 2014 - 06:33 PM, said:

no it's just another example of
"I really have no rational reason or argument against anything they've said so I'll resort to attacking them to try and distract from their ideas and maybe even get them baited into attacking me so I can either derail the thread or get them moderated"

It's a pretty common tactic used around here

[mekabuser]

the tragedy continues.. Like the fall of rome, or whatnot.

too bad its NOT like rome where you could um "change" upper management.