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[Kanatta Jing]

Roadbeer is right. Obnoxious people on the teamspeak server aren't there because they belong to a faction leaders family. They're there because if they tossed all the annoying people they would be back to dropping solo.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 21 April 2014 - 02:53 PM, said:

I do not always drop solo, but when I do it is because I prefer not to group.
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Aym, on 21 April 2014 - 03:07 PM, said:

I'd like to know more about why you prefer not to group to help isolate reasons for dropping solo, since this thread is all about finding reasons that people drop solo.

That is backwards from the way I view it, essentially the game has only one setting, casual. When PGI introduces competitive mode, I will play in a group more often, assuming that mode brings with it a sense of depth and accomplishment, like the promised Community Warfare.

However, here are a few things that make solo dropping more casual than group drops.
- I can crank up my music as loud as I like.
- I don’t have to wear a headset to play.
- I don’t have to listen to anyone else’s private conversation, dog barking, or movie spoilers.
- I don’t have to wait between drops

[Phlinger]

Aym, on 21 April 2014 - 03:07 PM, said:

I'd like to know more about why you prefer not to group to help isolate reasons for dropping solo, since this thread is all about finding reasons that people drop solo.

Ronyn I appreciate your feelings, but that's not relevant to this thread, this thread is not about telling people to play any way, but rather about people telling WHY they play the way they play, solo drops.
For me, I prefer to play in a group most of the time, but I volunteered reasons I solo drop, therefore skewing a statistic that PGI is using to restrict my ability to play the game the way I do, but then again this thread isn't about telling anyone they have to play a certain way, as you state.

Sorry you feel it isn't relevant. I felt it was more relevant than the gentleman above me calling solo players INTROVERT SOCIAPATH's because they didn't wish to play with their toys the same way he did. You cannot say that it wasn't a 'poorly' veiled insult at others drenched with a satisfying smear of sarcasm (to him).

But on another note, I'm not trying to poke and prod an old argument, just saying that I play the way I want, and solo is the way i want. My solo money is as good as group money, right? Can't we just accept that some play solo, some prefer to group. Have a nice day and enjoy the game in whatever way you prefer.

[White Bear 84]

I drop solo for the following reasons:

1) No one in my group is online.
2) There's a solo-only competition with a tangible fluff reward for X amount of wins
3) I just want to do a random drop AND IT WOULD BE MORE CHALLENGING TO HAVE A FEW GROUPS IN THERE.

[OuttaAmmo NoWai]

Haven't dropped solo in months.

[Daekar]

I forgot one: If I drop solo, I have the option to drop from the match and start another game in a different mech rather than waiting around to watch someone else play. Since CW and any other immersion is absent, the only interest I have in each drop is how much I can earn from it... and watching and waiting is not going to earn any C-bills. Plus, except in rare circumstances, watching is either boring or depressing or both.

You could say that this is the main reason I don't drop in groups - boredom and payout.

[Aym]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 21 April 2014 - 03:41 PM, said:

That is backwards from the way I view it, essentially the game has only one setting, casual. When PGI introduces competitive mode, I will play in a group more often, assuming that mode brings with it a sense of depth and accomplishment, like the promised Community Warfare.

However, here are a few things that make solo dropping more casual than group drops.
- I can crank up my music as loud as I like.
- I don’t have to wear a headset to play.
- I don’t have to listen to anyone else’s private conversation, dog barking, or movie spoilers.
- I don’t have to wait between drops

Perfect! Thank you for clarifying.

Ronyn, on 21 April 2014 - 03:44 PM, said:

Sorry you feel it isn't relevant. I felt it was more relevant than the gentleman above me calling solo players INTROVERT SOCIAPATH's because they didn't wish to play with their toys the same way he did. You cannot say that it wasn't a 'poorly' veiled insult at others drenched with a satisfying smear of sarcasm (to him).

But on another note, I'm not trying to poke and prod an old argument, just saying that I play the way I want, and solo is the way i want. My solo money is as good as group money, right? Can't we just accept that some play solo, some prefer to group. Have a nice day and enjoy the game in whatever way you prefer.

Ronyn I'm trying hard not to feed the trolls in this thread, can you join me in that? Your solo money is ABSOLUTELY as valid as anyone's anything money. This thread is not about invalidating anyone's game play here. Arguably this post is me trying to find out why people solo drop, because I do not believe it to be as monolithic as Paul's command chair, and that many, if not most, solo-droppers would truly have no problem dropping with groups if it was close to even numbers of teams and Elo on each side.

[xCico]

Daekar, on 21 April 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

I forgot one: If I drop solo, I have the option to drop from the match and start another game in a different mech rather than waiting around to watch someone else play. Since CW and any other immersion is absent, the only interest I have in each drop is how much I can earn from it... and watching and waiting is not going to earn any C-bills. Plus, except in rare circumstances, watching is either boring or depressing or both.

You could say that this is the main reason I don't drop in groups - boredom and payout.

I saw you few times in matches, you are doing good man, another 3 man with you, and you would see how things are easier, I just found out you are pugging lol

[Daekar]

Almighty Cico, on 21 April 2014 - 03:54 PM, said:

I saw you few times in matches, you are doing good man, another 3 man with you, and you would see how things are easier, I just found out you are pugging lol

Well, it's nice to know I made a good impression. You must have seen me in my good games!

[Gyrok]

Ronyn, on 21 April 2014 - 02:55 PM, said:

I drop solo... because... I use video games to unwind and relax from the day. Telling me that i have to play a certain way(Grouping) to relax makes me play different games that allow me to relax. Not everyone cares about being the most competetive they can be, some actually do play just for fun, strange right?

Ronyn, on 21 April 2014 - 02:55 PM, said:

I drop solo... because... I use video games to unwind and relax from the day. Telling me that i have to play a certain way(Grouping) to relax makes me play different games that allow me to relax. Not everyone cares about being the most competetive they can be, some actually do play just for fun, strange right?

Not strange, because *gasp* even groups screw around...the other night we were dropping in 4 mans and decided to run a lance of boom jagers just for kicks...so...2800 damage and 11 kills for the lance later we laughed a bit and went back to whatever we were playing before and BSing....

[xCico]

Daekar, on 21 April 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

Well, it's nice to know I made a good impression. You must have seen me in my good games!

I play in same ELO already 4-5 months, i started to remember everything ;D

[Aym]

Gyrok, on 21 April 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

Not strange, because *gasp* even groups screw around...the other night we were dropping in 4 mans and decided to run a lance of boom jagers just for kicks...so...2800 damage and 11 kills for the lance later we laughed a bit and went back to whatever we were playing before and BSing....

I know there exists literally years of bad-blood and name calling on both sides of "premades" "teams" "groups" and "solos" but please don't fan any flames here. I believe we need to get back to talking to both sides civilly and if you can't do that just please post in another thread.

[Flaming oblivion]

The easier it gets to group , The harder it gets to pug, Upset the groupers (probably a tiny % of the player base) or upset the puggers a huge % of the player base. Not suprising pgi is in no rush to make grouping easier and much more of a advantage then it already is. The only way I could see them being able to implement a full premade team is if they flat out couldn't face PuGs , Its bad enough premade lances can face Pug lances.

[Aym]

Flaming oblivion, on 21 April 2014 - 04:04 PM, said:

The easier it gets to group , The harder it gets to pug, Upset the groupers (probably a tiny % of the player base) or upset the puggers a huge % of the player base. Not suprising pgi is in no rush to make grouping easier and much more of a advantage then it already is. The only way I could see them being able to implement a full premade team is if they flat out couldn't face PuGs , Its bad enough premade lances can face Pug lances.

Again, this is off topic. Please say WHY you pug, not why you think Premades are bad. Thank you.

[Koniving]

I drop solo because most of my group quit.

Spoiler

We never got mortars despite being told about them since December 2012.
PGI's "class-based" matchmaking basically screwed teams one way or the other.
Weight-based matchmaking took all the strategy out of the game.
Ghost heat basically crippled some of the best mechs in the game.
Hit detection started getting bad when mechs got faster.
So PGI introduced HSR, which was fine but then PGI made mechs faster so it stopped working, and now that they got it working they want to make mechs faster... How about making weapons less precise or changing how they work so that mechs don't need to go even faster?
Changes to game modes have deprived them of any reason to actually play the objectives (assault used to pay more for capturing the base than for killing everyone; this gave you a reason to defend the base, a reason to go for the enemy base, a reason to play the objective even if there are turrets. Conquest used to require you to run to the bases to capture them and keep it up, which would be great if the resource limit was much higher so that a 'death train' couldn't function and the bases quick to capture).
Frequently and repeated PGI spits on the Battletech lore in extremely detrimental ways to game balance; for example with ECM to be 'invisible' to scanners you had to have ECM + stealth armor. That's your armor weight + 12 slots for stealth armor + ECM which is 2 slots and 1.5 tons. Imagine an Atlas losing 14 slots just to have the invisibility ECM cloak! Huge game changer for positive balance right there!

Any other reason is under "Dear PGI" on my signature.

[Maerawn]

At this point im not evern going to put the reasons why i might if ever once in a blue moon drop solo... 99.9% of my matches are grouped. And if for some reason i do drop solo you can randomly pick any one of the reason on this thread at this point, and i have probably dropped solo for that reason at least one time in my MWO career, which has been active since CB....

[Karl Marlow]

- I'm engaging in a PGI event that prohibits grouping
- The places I go to find groups is empty
- I don't see anyone I know in the places I go to find groups and I'm not feeling especially gregarious.
- I'm in a sour mood and I don't want to inflict it on group mates
-5th man syndrome. No open slots on a team are available.
-I'm wanting to get quick games in. Either because I have less than an hour before work or to do the 5 wins to get stuff type contests.
-Someone asked me a question concerning MWO and I logged in to help answer it. I'll usually do a quick solo drop before turning it back off.
- I'm testing stuff out. I usually do this in the training grounds. I don't know if that is part of PGI's numbers or not but I am solo when I do that.

[C E Dwyer]

simply got to love people telling me my experiences never happend,just because they don't conform with their ideals.


OP asked a question I gave an answer

simples..

[Bhael Fire]

I have an equal amount of fun playing in a group as I do solo, but since solo is easier to fit into my lifestyle I play solo more frequently.

[Aym]

Cathy, on 21 April 2014 - 03:27 PM, said:

I solo because it doesn't require third party down loads. (viop)

Neither do I like to to be isolated from my family by a set of headphones and a mic which most teams require, or have to turn up at such a time to 'train' or have to deal with a faction leaders clicky friends and his snotty spoiled brother, endlessly swearing into the mic.

My experiences faction leaders wife close friends all take the top place regardless that they couldn't guide a truck into a reversing bay, because they are his friends, while the extra's fill up the places, being excluded because there are no rl connections..

i've gamed since original everquest karnak expansion and over and over this has happend so I just solo in pretty much everything now

Thank you for your input Cathay, if I may ask for clarification, more simply, you don't want to use any outside program to play the game, I mean besides drivers for video cards and peripherals, and assuming you're not on a Mac, you don't want to be isolated through sound-dampening head-phones, which is a very good point, I don't like the game sounds loud either. Lastly you've had bad experiences with groups in the past, so don't want to risk any more. Thank you again for your input. I believe a friend of mine may be someone you believe is claiming your experiences are invalid, but I hope he meant that your experiences do not mean that group-leaders in general behave that way. For myself, I would never take my significant other into the "progression raid group," since that would be unfair to all involved.