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[Gambyt]

Oh..a remove mordor thread. Only thing i hate about it is the frequency at wich we get it to be honest. Apart from that it is a realy nice map, more importantly it is a realy good tutorial map to teach you how to manage the heat of your mech like caustic valley

Edited by Gambyt, 30 April 2014 - 03:57 PM.

[thisisxerxes]

Honestly, I really like Terra Therma.

[Diablobo]

What are the OP's suggestions to fix the map? Even if it does have problems (not to me), the OP needs to say what he would change.

[Trystan Thorne]

The heat doesn't bother me that much. I did learn to manage my heat well enough there.
I actually like the heat, because it adds an extra challange.

The only thing that annoys me, is when people come to a stop at the volcano entrance. Especially if they are medium or light mechs and don't let the heavys and assaults charge in.

Or even when that happens with two assaults just standing there.
I remeber one game. We started well and had a 8:0 lead. The remaining enemies were nicely positioned inside the volcano. We decided to charge in, but the two assaults just stopped at the entrance and where slowly taken apart and didn't let anyone pass.
Our lance broke off and decided to use another entrance. We received quite a few "stick together guys!" or "where are you going?".
By the time we arrived at the side entrance our team lost 3 Mechs as they still didn't dare to charge in. When we came in from the side and charged in our team then finally charged in as well and we defeated the enemy fast with losing just one more Mech and won 12:4.

So while Terra Therma sometimes drives me crazy, at the same time I think it's a great map as it teaches people (or should teach people) how to play MWO better.

[Moromillas]

Perhaps it should be kept because it's the most hated map.

I don't have a problem with it, but I do dislike HPG for many reasons. Yet others like it and dislike terra. /shrug It looks like it comes down to people liking different things, so that being the case, I vote to keep it and remove HPG and buff all the mechs that I use, and nerf the ones I don't.

[Kaldor]

I dont mind the map so much as I dislike the fact I seem to drop on it about 25-30% of the time.

Fix the RNG that determines where we drop, not the map itself...

[Jon Gotham]

Durant Carlyle, on 29 April 2014 - 08:50 PM, said:

People don't like hot maps because they pilot alpha-machines and the heat limits their alphas.

That is not a valid reason to remove a map from the game.

It is a valid reason for people to stop making alpha-machines.

This.../thread

[CDLord HHGD]

[Rogue Jedi]

by all means remove the non existent Tarra Therma, but please keep Terra Therma, admittedly it makes Mechs run hot, and it can take a while to find your opponents (unless both sides head for the central volcano) and it can be annoying when you get it several times in a row, but the map definitely adds more than just frustration

[Tannhauser Gate]

Its is a great map imo but I can see why people don’t like it. It’s a hot maze. People tend to wander off rather than move in force so matches seem long and boring.

Personally I think it’s a fun map visually but PGI didn’t go far enough. I wish it had more effects like eruptions, magma bombs crashing into the ground with smokey black blasts and bright splashy lava. Maybe towers of rolling black clouds rising from smaller craters, and high winds blowing glowing ember rain in some places. The central volcano should be sucking these winds through its cracks as its heat rises.

Don’t remove the map. That would make the other maps even more over played. The answer would be to ultimately add more maps to the ration. If possible, Id like to see Terra Therma updated with more interesting and exciting visual elements.

[joe1297]

I like this map, but I would definitely like a frozen version of it

[Knightshadowsong]

uh... dude... it's a Volcanic planet. No breathable air and next to no surface water. It CANT Snow.

Well. It's clear that enough people like this map. And that's okay. Really, the one thing I ask is that it NOT show itself 5/6 times in a row!

[ImperialKnight]

Alpine Peaks needs to go before Terra. So no.

[FlipOver]

I have a love/hate kind of relation with Mordor.

I love:
1 - The hot temps and all the heat management that has to be done in the load-out and play-style.
2 - The idea of fighting for a red-hot parcel of a planet is great. Even better when it comes to defend / conquer.

I hate:
1 - The terrain layout. Too basic for battle. Not many strategic moves can be applied. (Why not add some other places with high ground to fight instead of just a big lump in the center?)
2 - Too dar of a map. It would be expected for the lava to emit more light around it. Why is the map "mood" so gloomy when it could be dark as it is where is no lava and brighter when close to lava?

To me the map could very well be remade, the textures could be reused, the terrain changed in a way to make this map not so boring.

[Modo44]

All maps need fixes, some extensive, to be really good. Following the "remove my least liked map" logic, we would be down to like one or two.

[Egomane]

Modo44, on 02 May 2014 - 04:31 AM, said:

All maps need fixes, some extensive, to be really good. Following the "remove my least liked map" logic, we would be down to like one or two.

And even those would be up for debate!

[Satoki]

Terra terma is cool!!! I vote - NO.

[MrMasakari]

Knightshadowsong, on 29 April 2014 - 06:54 PM, said:

It's perhaps the most hated map in MWO. Every time I've been on it from the time that it was first installed into the game, the chat always fills up with how much people hate this map.

Please don't state opinion as fact, most people don't like the map because they charge into the centre like fools and lack the initiative to flank and spank, the map encourages different styles of game play than most other maps. Had plenty of fun times on this map, and some bad, same as most other maps.

You can't fix something if its not broken.

Edited by Artaire, 02 May 2014 - 05:09 AM.

[GrandLocomon]

The thing is, while its annoying and hot for you, so it is for everyone else. Everyone has to be more careful, except maybe ballistic heavy/only builds. But so what? I usually start the map by flipping over all my weapons groups to chain and the chain groups to alpha if I'm energy heavy. I don't want the map removed. I like it, especially in conquest.

[9erRed]

Greetings all,

The map is not designed that great for what we need to do in it, in my opinion.

- There's not enough open travel area around the map.
- Every route is surrounded by really high or tall peak formations.
- There's nothing on this map that actually say's "This needs protecting"
- There's nothing on this map that actually could be used as a defensive/fortified location.
- There's no apparent infrastructure for anything happening within the map boundaries.
Flowing Lava creates vast areas of flattened, multi tiered "new terrain", not peaked hills.
(a least in this 1G gravity environment)

[All that work and cost to set up that center area, and nothing indicating industry or movement of resources anywhere. If this is such a rich materials repository where are the machines and movers to recover those materials?]

In my opinion, this map is just not alive enough. There's not enough happening with the environment indicating this is an area in turmoil and constantly changing. The game designers seem to love channeling the players down corridors and paths, which we see on almost every map. If some of the map features were reduced in height, create old lava tube areas, actual transport routes for prime movers of materials, just some life to this map.

I'll point you to a flythrough of "that other game", that has a Volcano map that has heat shimmer caused by fresh Lava flows. Thermal mirage effects and still a reasonably bright map. Lava so intense it casts it's own light. And that map didn't need to be populated with peaked structures everywhere. Just take a look.


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Same CryEngine, using the same elements.

9erRed

Edited by 9erRed, 02 May 2014 - 06:29 AM.