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[Flaming oblivion]

Until they balance ecm if you do not kill the ecmers first your sides chances of winning will decrease, yeah there are counters most of which are highly situational .... The only reliable counter to ecm is ecm , ironically most people don't seem to know ecm has 2 settings . But yeah kill the ecmers first exterminate them, make it known if you bring a ecmer you will be hunted down and killed before you hit 3 figure damage. Gotta stop em until ecm is brought in line.

[Roadbeer]

Lulz
First Premades and now ECM. it's like a "Greatest Hits" of the forum over the last 18 months.

Soon he will create a thread about Consumables.

How about Premades who use ECM and Arty? Those guys need to be drug out and shot

Edited by Roadbeer, 26 April 2014 - 01:51 PM.

[Flaming oblivion]

No, I only complain about things any player with a objective un biased can see are clearly to powerful / flat out broken , and from what I've seen the majority of the in game community hold the same opinion.

[Iqfish]

Coolant Flush is Pay 2 Win.

Wait, it's 2014 already?

[990Dreams]

These stupid threads are why GD went down the first time.

[Lyoto Machida]

Roadbeer, on 26 April 2014 - 01:50 PM, said:

Lulz
First Premades and now ECM. it's like a "Greatest Hits" of the forum over the last 18 months.

Soon he will create a thread about Consumables.

How about Premades who use ECM and Arty? Those guys need to be drug out and shot

No mention of poptarting premades who use ECM and Arty while LRMing?

[Flaming oblivion]

And also its not about ecm being nerfed that's obviously going to happen there gearing heavily towards balance I suspect ecm will be soon under the sledge hammer, Its more about making sure people kill them make them a priority target until they're nerfed.

[Roadbeer]

Flaming oblivion, on 26 April 2014 - 01:52 PM, said:

and from what I've seen the majority of the in game community hold the same opinion.

[Citation Needed]

That's quite the extensive poll you've compiled in your 3 weeks as a registered member.

[Bobzilla]

You are clueless if you don't think taking out enemy ecm benefits your team.

[Flaming oblivion]

I have seen peoples comments every battle ecm has been there. That's enough to tell me . Honestly tell me ecm isn't op ? Go on honestly give me a valid reason ecm isn't tag doesn't count to situational anyone with halve a brain under ecm cover will jump into cover the minute u tag them.

Edited by Flaming oblivion, 26 April 2014 - 02:01 PM.

[Roadbeer]

Flaming oblivion, on 26 April 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

I have seen peoples comments every battle ecm has been there. That's enough to tell me . Honestly tell me ecm isn't op ? Go on honestly give me a valid reason ecm isn't tag doesn't count to situational anyone with halve a brain under ecm cover will jump into cover the minute u tag them.

/sigh

TAG, NARC, UAV all are effective counters (as well as PPC blasts to a lesser extent). ECM is only equipable on 5 of the what. over 130 variants available? and only effects LRMs and SSRMs.
Those who know how to effectively use LRMs and aren't just button mashing see it as a nuisance, not a problem, and no more of a nuisance than when your opponent uses cover effectively.

ECM blobs are great fun for Arty/Air strikes and watching them scurry outside the bubble like turning a light on roaches and letting the LURMERS have at it.

In short, your thread is much ado about nothing.

Edited by Roadbeer, 26 April 2014 - 02:10 PM.

[Lyoto Machida]

Give every variant ECM...or make ECM only affect Artemis/NARC/etc like in TT. Problem solved.

[Featherwood]

Guys, you are unfair to TS, every new player faces same sad experience with ECM, meta-builds and mass strikes. It does not mean every new player is wrong about his/her feelings. While mass strikes are tactical counters, oriented on team-play and existence of meta-builds comes from human nature, both psychological and social - people will always look for optimal 'win' solution and will always copy 'optimal behavior', there is real problem with ECM. It does exist. ECM in this game HAS ridiculous implementation (damn you Paul "I will ignore you all" Inouye). And don't start telling me about PPC, BAP & TAG effects. I am talking about f@cking magic invisibility effect of ECM, which has nothing with real life or TT rules, even rules for 3057 Angel ECM suite have nothing close to fairy invisibility (blocking C3 =/= invisibility!).

I say: remove it (inviz) and ECM will become right "where it should be" ©

Edited by Featherwood, 26 April 2014 - 02:17 PM.

[Livewyr]

Roadbeer, on 26 April 2014 - 01:57 PM, said:

[Citation Needed]

That's quite the extensive poll you've compiled in your 3 weeks as a registered member.

http://mwomercs.com/...age__mode__show
http://mwomercs.com/...age__mode__show
http://mwomercs.com/...oll-update-ecm/ (200+ responses)
http://mwomercs.com/...age__mode__show (indirect, but a view on balance compared to other mechs)
http://mwomercs.com/...age__mode__show (poll taken on ECM introduction)
http://mwomercs.com/...age__mode__show (again, indirect, but still indicative)

http://mwomercs.com/...n-ecm-feedback/ (not a poll, but feel free to take a gander at some of the posts..get a good sample)


And this one:
http://mwomercs.com/...ture-aftermath/
That poll has over 1000 responses to it..

(little bit of research seems to show polls putting "ECM is OP/lessfun/needs nerf" at a majority, the bigger the sample, the wider the gap.)

Incidentally- in my search of Forum polls.. I found some pro ECM threads, but never any pro-ECM polls. Perhaps someone can find some?

[BLOOD WOLF]

Flaming oblivion, on 26 April 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

Until they balance ecm if you do not kill the ecmers first your sides chances of winning will decrease, yeah there are counters most of which are highly situational .... The only reliable counter to ecm is ecm , ironically most people don't seem to know ecm has 2 settings . But yeah kill the ecmers first exterminate them, make it known if you bring a ecmer you will be hunted down and killed before you hit 3 figure damage. Gotta stop em until ecm is brought in line.

yea, they are quite the priority sometimes.

[Roadbeer]

Livewyr, on 26 April 2014 - 02:19 PM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...age__mode__show
http://mwomercs.com/...age__mode__show
http://mwomercs.com/...oll-update-ecm/ (200+ responses)
http://mwomercs.com/...age__mode__show (indirect, but a view on balance compared to other mechs)
http://mwomercs.com/...age__mode__show (poll taken on ECM introduction)
http://mwomercs.com/...age__mode__show (again, indirect, but still indicative)

http://mwomercs.com/...n-ecm-feedback/ (not a poll, but feel free to take a gander at some of the posts..get a good sample)


And this one:
http://mwomercs.com/...ture-aftermath/
That poll has over 1000 responses to it..

(little bit of research seems to show polls putting "ECM is OP/lessfun/needs nerf" at a majority, the bigger the sample, the wider the gap.)

Incidentally- in my search of Forum polls.. I found some pro ECM threads, but never any pro-ECM polls. Perhaps someone can find some?

That's all so 2013 when the 5 ECM mechs were super prolific. Now I'm actually surprised to see more than 2 on a team.
It's not quite the problem it was then, and it's basically like bringing up the 3PV poll where everyone lost their shit over something that I try to shoot at because I think it's a UAV, I see it so rarely.

Edited by Roadbeer, 26 April 2014 - 02:25 PM.

[Adiuvo]

Livewyr, on 26 April 2014 - 02:19 PM, said:

Incidentally- in my search of Forum polls.. I found some pro ECM threads, but never any pro-ECM polls. Perhaps someone can find some?

People only complain if they dislike something. Nobody puts effort in when they think everything is OK.

Personally ECM doesn't bother me.

[Livewyr]

Roadbeer, on 26 April 2014 - 02:22 PM, said:

That's all so 2013 when the 5 ECM mechs were super prolific. Now I'm actually surprised to see more than 2 on a team.
It's not quite the problem it was then, and it's basically like bringing up the 3PV poll where everyone lost their shit over something that I try to shoot at because I think it's a UAV because I see it so rarely.

Adiuvo, on 26 April 2014 - 02:23 PM, said:

People only complain if they dislike something. Nobody puts effort in when they think everything is OK.

Personally ECM doesn't bother me.

Then I think it's time for an informed 18month poll. Now that PGI has had time to introduce their Info Warfare (counters) and May 4th will be the 18 month anniversary of ECM.. we should take a look at (new) polls again.


[EDIT: Working on it at the moment.]
[EDIT: EDIT:- perhaps no poll in general, unless I'm missing something.]

Edited by Livewyr, 26 April 2014 - 02:28 PM.

[Roadbeer]

Meh, go for it.
Try not to be biased, and link when you're done.

[Livewyr]

Roadbeer, on 26 April 2014 - 02:27 PM, said:

Meh, go for it.
Try not to be biased, and link when you're done.

I do try, in all of my polls, not to affect the outcomes of them. It will however be in Feature suggestions, as GD has no polls available..darn organization.