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[Nyte Kitsune]

Hate to say it, But PGI, WTF?!?.. You do realize the LRM Rack is a TORSO weapon on a Warhawk, Right? WTF is it doing dangling from its arm? Morons, go back to the drawing board with that one. Not likely anyone will buy it if you can't even configure it right.

Now, assuming you can fix that, it looks like a Warhawk, but really, put the LRM rack where its supposed to be.

[Lynx7725]

Sstaan, on 05 May 2014 - 08:43 PM, said:

Hate to say it, But PGI, WTF?!?.. You do realize the LRM Rack is a TORSO weapon on a Warhawk, Right? WTF is it doing dangling from its arm? Morons, go back to the drawing board with that one. Not likely anyone will buy it if you can't even configure it right.

Now, assuming you can fix that, it looks like a Warhawk, but really, put the LRM rack where its supposed to be.

IIRC, the original 3050 TRO had the LRM on the arm. It just looked like it was on the torso.

[Joseph Mallan]

Let the cries of 4 Clan ERPPC OP begin!

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 06 May 2014 - 01:38 AM.

[Lynx7725]

Joseph Mallan, on 06 May 2014 - 01:38 AM, said:

Let the cries of 4 Clan ERPPC OP begin!

4 CERPPC OP!

[TELEFORCE]

Even on table top, you couldn't fire all four ER PPCs at once without significantly overheating and risking an LRM ammo explosion. When I've played the Warhawk, I fire 3 ERPPCs in one turn, then in the next turn I fire 2 ERPPCs and the LRM-10. I just alternate fire that way to control heat. In a last stand, I might unleash all four ERPPCs.

If anything, I treat a fourth ERPPC as a spare in case one is knocked out in a critical hit.

I wrote a whole review on how to play the Warhawk in all of its canon configurations on the BattleTech forums a few months ago, but that'll be different in MWO.

Edited by TELEFORCE, 06 May 2014 - 02:02 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

TELEFORCE, on 06 May 2014 - 02:02 AM, said:

Even on table top, you couldn't fire all four ER PPCs at once without significantly overheating and risking an LRM ammo explosion. When I've played the Warhawk, I fire 3 ERPPCs in one turn, then in the next turn I fire 2 ERPPCs and the LRM-10. I just alternate fire that way to control heat. In a last stand, I might unleash all four ERPPCs.

If anything, I treat a fourth ERPPC as a spare in case one is knocked out in a critical hit.

I wrote a whole review on how to play the Warhawk in all of its canon configurations on the BattleTech forums a few months ago, but that'll be different in MWO.

Ammo doesn't cook off here, you just fire and shut down then take a bit of Structure damage. Or Stagger fire 2-2

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 06 May 2014 - 02:08 AM.

[ssm]

Sstaan, on 05 May 2014 - 08:43 PM, said:

Hate to say it, But PGI, WTF?!?.. You do realize the LRM Rack is a TORSO weapon on a Warhawk, Right? WTF is it doing dangling from its arm? Morons, go back to the drawing board with that one. Not likely anyone will buy it if you can't even configure it right.

Now, assuming you can fix that, it looks like a Warhawk, but really, put the LRM rack where its supposed to be.

Warhawk's missile rack is exactly where it's supposed to.

[Hillbillycrow]

*Shoots arms off*

[Joseph Mallan]

ssm, on 06 May 2014 - 02:12 AM, said:

Warhawk's missile rack is exactly where it's supposed to.

Not it its the Prime.

[ssm]

Joseph Mallan, on 06 May 2014 - 02:45 AM, said:

Not it its the Prime.

Well, I double checked with TRO, LRM10 in Prime is actually in LA.

I have a old sculpt mini on my desk that has it in ST (four tubes on the hood, six under it, by the cockpit), but it was just original artist's license back in the 80's, or maybe they wanted to have sculpts that were easier to cast back then.

Regardless, I'm happy that the follow plain, TRO data rather than inconsistent and often wonky visions of various artists that did mechs for TT over the years.

Edited by ssm, 06 May 2014 - 02:51 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

ssm, on 06 May 2014 - 02:50 AM, said:

Well, I double checked with TRO, LRM10 in Prime is actually in LA.

I have a old sculpt mini on my desk that has it in ST (four tubes on the hood, six under it, by the cockpit), but it was just original artist's license back in the 80's, or maybe they wanted to have sculpts that were easier to cast back then.

Regardless, I'm happy that the follow plain, TRO data rather than inconsistent and often wonky visions of various artists that did mechs for TT over the years.

Since when?

1990 art.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 06 May 2014 - 02:54 AM.

[Lynx7725]

Line art is one thing, actual location is another.. check the actual weapon location.

[ssm]

Joseph Mallan, on 06 May 2014 - 02:53 AM, said:

Since when?

1990 art.

Well, I don't have access to RS right now, but here it is, found in the web:




Look at crit table - that's where actually LRM rack is.

[Joseph Mallan]

ssm, on 06 May 2014 - 02:57 AM, said:

Well, I don't have access to RS right now, but here it is, found in the web:




Look at crit table - that's where actually LRM rack is.

Where the heck is that Sheet from? I don't see Catlab ™ on it.

Just Checked my 3050 UpGrade... They did move it in the TRO but not in the art!

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 06 May 2014 - 03:05 AM.

[Lynx7725]

Hmm plenty of room for DHS. Can fit at least 7 more Clan DHS, more if the FF can move around. That brings it up to 27 DHS total, at 1.4 is equivalent to tabletop of 30.8. Not great, but workable I think.

[GalaxyBluestar]

Joseph Mallan, on 06 May 2014 - 02:53 AM, said:

Since when?

1990 art.

the tro art is spurious a mix of prime and alt A omni pods perhaps but the lrm rack was defenatly on the LA.

just that pgi {alex} decided to draw it low slung instead of following the original examples.




this art above was used for the BT cards.... wrong arm

however shoulder pods do get clumsy if over done

Edited by GalaxyBluestar, 06 May 2014 - 03:08 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

TT rules you couldn't move it... But this isnt TT and Clanners are hamstrung enough as I see it.

The set of that is Before the arm

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 06 May 2014 - 03:17 AM.

[ssm]

Joseph Mallan, on 06 May 2014 - 03:01 AM, said:

Where the heck is that Sheet from? I don't see Catlab ™ on it.

Just Checked my 3050 UpGrade... They did move it in the TRO but not in the art!

Frankly, I don't know - I guess it was custom-made. I don't have access to my TROs or SSW at the moment, so I went with google on this one

As in TRO, they didn't really move it - it was always there, just the artist designing it back in 80s envisioned it being in LT, rather than arm. RS always looked like this.

Joseph Mallan, on 06 May 2014 - 03:08 AM, said:

TT rules you couldn't move it... But this isnt TT and Clanners are hamstrung enough as I see it.

Except placing it under arm is kinda more lore-compliant. LRM is actual omnipod, and from Clanners standpoint - it far easier and practical to de-slung from under the LA assembly than tinker with whole shoulder.

Those are omni-pods after all, they should look like being easy to remove-replace outside factory conditions.

Edited by ssm, 06 May 2014 - 03:12 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Mavairo, on 05 May 2014 - 03:32 PM, said:

...That has to be the ugliest mech I have ever seen in this, and any other videogame.
*wipes tears from eyes*

Every mech in Hawken begs to differ with your opinon LOL.

[Joseph Mallan]

GalaxyBluestar, on 06 May 2014 - 03:07 AM, said:

the tro art is spurious a mix of prime and alt A omni pods perhaps but the lrm rack was defenatly on the LA.

just that pgi {alex} decided to draw it low slung instead of following the original examples.





however shoulder pods do get clumsy if over done

I have Several Warhawks Both old and new. That Shoulder pod is... new! And it HAS moved.

ssm, on 06 May 2014 - 03:08 AM, said:

Frankly, I don't know - I guess it was custom-made. I don't have access to my TROs or SSW at the moment, so I went with google on this one

As in TRO, they didn't really move it - it was always there, just the artist designing it back in 80s envisioned it being in LT, rather than arm. RS always looked like this.

If you check it, check all the TRO3050s(Revised,Upgrade & Update as well). I am positive it is not Arm mounted originally.