117 replies to this topic

[kesuga7]

damit why can't my regular quickdraw varaints have ballistics!?!
just simple fact that this can mount 2 ballistics in 2 different slots may make it more powerfull then the other variants we have
considering ballistics vs lasers on a quickdraw im betting that the ballistic user would win

its a dragon with jumpjets and two arm mounted ballistics :L

Edited by kesuga7, 06 May 2014 - 10:25 AM.

[627]

lockwoodx, on 06 May 2014 - 10:02 AM, said:

Admit it... slapping Ballistics onto any mech makes it appealing.

To be true I think the LBX and the LPL are the most entertaining weapons we have right now, so yes. But sadly, that won't fit in together...or makes any sense

[Trauglodyte]

You could get away with a max engine and an AC10 or maybe a Gauss in the arm. My issue with it, though, is more that it will end up being nothing more than a Dragon w/ JJs if that is what people do. It has the opportunity to be a bit different only it can't because it is too restricted. No offense to Strum, even if I'm being offensive, but if this is what we can look forward to in the future from the brain trust that is NGNG, PGI is going to experience a bit of a windfall in their hero program.

[Jabilo]

The low engine cap is just cruel and unnecessary and continues a long tradition of hero mechs being weak.

I feel you are going to have to be one die hard Quickdraw fan to buy this junker.

Shame.

Nice story though

[kesuga7]

XL 290 is the max engine
86.1 kph

heres a quote from sturm

sturm, on 06 May 2014 - 10:20 AM, said:

It would likely be considered more powerful than the existing quickdraws, but this is an artifact of the current relative imbalance between missile and ballistic weapons. Once these imbalances are more under control the relative power levels between this quickdraw and the cbill versions should not be too extreme

Edited by kesuga7, 06 May 2014 - 10:37 AM.

[Trauglodyte]

Quote

sturm, on 06 May 2014 - 02:20 PM, said:

It would likely be considered more powerful than the existing quickdraws, but this is an artifact of the current relative imbalance between missile and ballistic weapons. Once these imbalances are more under control the relative power levels between this quickdraw and the cbill versions should not be too extreme

So he designed a mech with the hopes that SRMs and ballistics will somehow one day be balanced versus each other and PGI chose it. Classic!

Edited by Trauglodyte, 06 May 2014 - 10:40 AM.

[Deathlike]

Trauglodyte, on 06 May 2014 - 10:14 AM, said:

You could get away with a max engine and an AC10 or maybe a Gauss in the arm. My issue with it, though, is more that it will end up being nothing more than a Dragon w/ JJs if that is what people do. It has the opportunity to be a bit different only it can't because it is too restricted. No offense to Strum, even if I'm being offensive, but if this is what we can look forward to in the future from the brain trust that is NGNG, PGI is going to experience a bit of a windfall in their hero program.

As far as I understand it, this stock build is canon? So, there will be limitations to it.

On the other hand, there are builds like the Dragon Slayer and Heavy Metal... when you look behind why they are probably at the top of people's buying lists (well, moreso the DS anyways), it's because the builds are a lot more practical.

When you try to experiment with stuff like the Oxide or Huginn, you're not seriously considering the state of balance when making it... it's like some "artist" thought it would be a cool idea.

kesuga7, on 06 May 2014 - 10:35 AM, said:

heres a quote from sturm

It is difficult enough to pilot a Quickdraw-5K as it is... it may actually be a order of magnitude worse with the hero mech once you try to build something sensible (it doesn't even have to be meta).

[Malcolm Reynolds]

THIS THING IS WEAK!. can not run as fast as the other quickdraws. is comes with a xl 240 and some low level weapons. then there is the paint job....PGI must have employed some children to paint there heros...what is it supposed to mean a circulatory system??

[Nicholas Carlyle]

People do realize that DOA doesn't mean it won't ever be used right?

It just means that like the Pretty Baby or Oxide, people will buy it, and it will fall into obscurity when they realize it's really just not a good mech.

The hitboxes on the Quickdraws legs are TERRIBLE. I hit them with LRM's when it's on the ground and not moving. It's the only mech that seems to happen too.

I just know I'm happy when I see Oxides, Hugiins or Pretty Babys on the opposing team, knowing it could have been a 3L, or a real Jenner or a Dragonslayer.

Edited by Nicholas Carlyle, 06 May 2014 - 11:00 AM.

[Deathlike]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 06 May 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:

I just know I'm happy when I see Oxides, Hugiins or Pretty Babys on the opposing team, knowing it could have been a 3L, or a real Jenner or a Dragonslayer.

What I've kinda "relearned" from the Huginn is "do you guys know why they tell you not to put ammo in the legs of a light mech?"

Yea... good times.

Edited by Deathlike, 06 May 2014 - 11:03 AM.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Deathlike, on 06 May 2014 - 11:03 AM, said:

What I've kinda "relearned" from the Huginn is "do you guys know why they tell you not to put ammo in the legs of a light mech?"

Yea... good times.

So true.

I guess my biggest issue with this hero, is that 3/3/3/3 is eventually going to get fixed. And every time I have one of these suckers on my team, I have to worry about the opposing team getting a Jager or a Phract.

And that just ain't cool.

[Strum Wealh]

kesuga7, on 06 May 2014 - 10:35 AM, said:

XL 290 is the max engine
86.1 kph

heres a quote from sturm

Trauglodyte, on 06 May 2014 - 10:40 AM, said:

So he designed a mech with the hopes that SRMs and ballistics will somehow one day be balanced versus each other and PGI chose it. Classic!

Deathlike, on 06 May 2014 - 10:46 AM, said:

It is difficult enough to pilot a Quickdraw-5K as it is... it may actually be a order of magnitude worse with the hero mech once you try to build something sensible (it doesn't even have to be meta).

It would help a lot if quotes were actually properly attributed.

Specifically, the statement that Kesuga7 is attributing to me was actually made by MuonNeutrino with regard to his "QKD-5X 'Gunslinger'" proposal, which I quoted in my proposal for the "QKD-LM 'Lawman'" that eventually became MWO's "IV-Four".

In other words, it was MuonNeutrino stating that his Gunslinger proposal "...would likely be considered more powerful than the existing quickdraws..." as "...an artifact of the current relative imbalance between missile and ballistic weapons...", NOT my commentary on the Lawman/IV-Four.

Edited by Strum Wealh, 06 May 2014 - 11:07 AM.

[Malcolm Reynolds]

I do not believe even the newest of pilots will take this thing out. I would love to see someone make a decent build out of it but truly I do not believe it is possible. they give you a xl 240 to start out with 2 double heat sinks...why not give us a 250 and keep the heat sinks. to put any ballistic in it you will have to down grade your engine or strip weapons. not to mention that even the pretty baby will be able to run this thing down and gank it and that is really saying something.

[Deathlike]

Strum Wealh, on 06 May 2014 - 11:06 AM, said:

It would help a lot if quotes were actually properly attributed.

I apologize in advance for this effect:
http://en.wikipedia....hinese_whispers

[cSand]

627, on 06 May 2014 - 04:21 AM, said:

You mean like.. for... both?

Who's the other one? I must talk to him (her)!!

Nicholas Carlyle, on 06 May 2014 - 11:05 AM, said:

So true.

I guess my biggest issue with this hero, is that 3/3/3/3 is eventually going to get fixed. And every time I have one of these suckers on my team, I have to worry about the opposing team getting a Jager or a Phract.

And that just ain't cool.

You're gonna love me then

See you in there with my IV and PB, taking up your "victory spots"

Edited by cSand, 06 May 2014 - 11:14 AM.

[Trauglodyte]

Strum Wealh, on 06 May 2014 - 11:06 AM, said:

It would help a lot if quotes were actually properly attributed.

Specifically, the statement that Kesuga7 is attributing to me was actually made by MuonNeutrino with regard to his "QKD-5X 'Gunslinger'" proposal, which I quoted in my proposal for the "QKD-LM 'Lawman'" that eventually became MWO's "IV-Four".

In other words, it was MuonNeutrino stating that his Gunslinger proposal "...would likely be considered more powerful than the existing quickdraws..." as "...an artifact of the current relative imbalance between missile and ballistic weapons...", NOT my commentary on the Lawman/IV-Four.

I can accept that and, again, I'm not unhappy with you. It is just that a lot of this smells funny and bothers me. You did a fine job creating a mech, Strum.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

cSand, on 06 May 2014 - 11:12 AM, said:

Who's the other one? I must talk to him (her)!! You're gonna love me then See you in there with my IV and PB, taking up your valuable "victory spots"

It already happens, it's just going to be more blatant now.

There's always the exception, but like with Locusts, it's like one out of ten matches where one actually makes a meaningful contribution.

And you know that the pilot is good, but in the end you just think "Damn, wonder what he could've done in a Jenner?".

[Cattra Kell]

Trauglodyte, on 06 May 2014 - 10:14 AM, said:

You could get away with a max engine and an AC10 or maybe a Gauss in the arm. My issue with it, though, is more that it will end up being nothing more than a Dragon w/ JJs if that is what people do. It has the opportunity to be a bit different only it can't because it is too restricted. No offense to Strum, even if I'm being offensive, but if this is what we can look forward to in the future from the brain trust that is NGNG, PGI is going to experience a bit of a windfall in their hero program.

Oh hey, I don't expect much reading comprehension from a Troglodyte. But in case you didn't catch it:

Cattra Kell, on 05 May 2014 - 04:56 PM, said:

Finally; Big thanks to

Strum Wealh

and all of the NGNG / MWO community for helping design this mech!

I mean I understand your Ragnarok Rump'd about something or another Mr. Dyte, but we sent off all the user submissions. We did not pick what one got made.

But whatever, no matter what I say it doesn't matter to someone who doesn't even bother to read nor care about facts.

Edited by Cattra Kell, 06 May 2014 - 11:17 AM.

[cSand]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 06 May 2014 - 11:14 AM, said:

It already happens, it's just going to be more blatant now.

There's always the exception, but like with Locusts, it's like one out of ten matches where one actually makes a meaningful contribution.

And you know that the pilot is good, but in the end you just think "Damn, wonder what he could've done in a Jenner?".

Edited by cSand, 06 May 2014 - 11:20 AM.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Cattra Kell, on 06 May 2014 - 11:17 AM, said:

I mean I understand your Ragnarok Rump'd about something or another Mr. Dyte, but we sent off all the user submissions. We did not pick what one got made.

But whatever, no matter what I say it doesn't matter to someone who doesn't even bother to read nor care about facts.

You were involved in the process of getting that mech created. Do you deny that?

cSand, on 06 May 2014 - 11:19 AM, said:

[media][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YxFANT4pcY[/media][/imedia]

At work, no youtube.