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[Jaroth Corbett]

Oh OK prob a gfx issue with me then.

Ummm not sure, I think it might be a typo.

[Gyrok]

That is a random encounter roll table. Notice the mech variants are assigned a number 2-12 for rolling 2D6 to determine mechs present. You can accomodate for rough % of a given chassis by looking at how many entries it has on the roll table versus others.

For Example, Clan Wolf (which had loads of Gargoyle Assault mechs followed by the Dire Wolf and Executioner most typically) has 6 of the 12 spots occupied by variants of the Gargoyle. By the same token, they were also very prone to Ice Ferrets and Adders and look at the corresponding medium/light tables to see the rough % present.

[Odanan]

Keeshu, on 01 June 2014 - 10:31 AM, said:

Yeah I look there sometimes too. However, sometimes there are clan general mechs that are not listed under certain factions. Notable things like Summoner, Hellbringer, Kit Fox for Jade Falcon.

Ah, forgot about that thread. Last time I checked, clans were announced for a while and they didn't have anything on clans for months so I kinda stopped checking there for clan info.
Mad Dog is the most common mech for Smoke Jaguar for the mechs they've listed so far, go figure. Ghost bear still has more though, and it is the 2nd most biased mech with 46.3. While the most biased is Timber Wolf with 56.5.

What's this? Kurita, Fed Suns, and FRR have 5+ on atlases whereas Steiner only has 1.5? What is this madness? Have I been living a lie?

Thanks for the info, even if it's only the main Clans + Inner Sphere

This is the table for 3039... Steiner starts making more Atlases after that date, so they should have more of these mechs in 3050.

[Pariah Devalis]

CyclonerM, on 01 June 2014 - 02:50 AM, said:

Goliath Scorpions? I know they value precision and especially laser weapons.

Is that some sort of joke, CyclonerM?

Clan Nova Cat: Lasers, precision, aerospace fighters.... Kinda our thing.

[Keeshu]

Pariah Devalis, on 01 June 2014 - 03:08 PM, said:

Is that some sort of joke, CyclonerM?

Clan Nova Cat: Lasers, precision, aerospace fighters.... Kinda our thing.

http://www.sarna.net...Touman#Overview

Good thing Nova Cat and Goliath Scorpion like to challenge each other to see who is more precise then isn't it?


Though I am curious how much Aerospace the Nova Cats have. Their touman description on sarna is a bit too vague to know. Whereas Scorpions Aerospace is seems to be 1/3 of their army.

[Pariah Devalis]

Not sure of the total distribution, but airstrikes were fairly common practice in Clan Nova Cat and even our Khan in this point in time is an aerospace pilot. In fact, the Huntsman prime carries a tag for air support designation purposes, even.

[KursedVixen]

Clans will use any mech at their disposal preferring their own tech to inner sphere most clans have a portion or all of the clan style mechs, though depending on the clan it may have none or all of the clan mechs usually I don't think the all the clans have the whole loadout of mechs. for example the Daishi/DireWolf Sarna.net notes that Daishi's outside of Clan Wolf, Wolf Dragoons or the smoke jarguar are Spoils of war (Known as isorla.) gifts, or traded. Clans likely aquire a lot of their mechs through trading or Isorla so you can't really tell who has what at any given time just who produces what. though some clans prefer certain mechs I have no doubt that due to their belief of limited waste promts them to use any mechs they have.

Edited by KursedVixen, 01 June 2014 - 08:38 PM.

[Dark DeLaurel]

As pointed out, the Hell's Horses are combined arms. They are about the warrior and not the machine. Closest I've seen in lore are the Regimental Combat Units (RCT's) of the Federated Suns/Federated Commonwealth.

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Here is a couple of CHH tanks.


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Edited by Dark DeLaurel, 02 June 2014 - 06:11 AM.

[CyclonerM]

Pariah Devalis, on 01 June 2014 - 03:08 PM, said:

Is that some sort of joke, CyclonerM?

Clan Nova Cat: Lasers, precision, aerospace fighters.... Kinda our thing.

But.. But.. I thought i read it on Sarna

Do not worry, you are always the best marksmen in the Kerensky Cluster and beyond *pat pat*

[Pariah Devalis]

CyclonerM, on 02 June 2014 - 03:58 AM, said:

But.. But.. I thought i read it on Sarna

Do not worry, you are always the best marksmen in the Kerensky Cluster and beyond *pat pat*

I once headcapped three spiders with a single Gauss Rifle shot at 800 meters.

*shiftyeyes*

[CyclonerM]

Not bad. Let us see if i can do better

[Raigner]

I am appalled that Clan Smoke Jaguar did not get representation on your lists, Raciest.

As no one else will do it I will have to do it myself.

The smoke jaguars are a hyper agressive and militant clan that favors military action, and stockpiling of arms, and armaments as its primary goal as a clan to the great expense of manufacturing, trade, civic achievements agricultural advancements, territorial conquest, and resource extraction and exploitation. On the battle field the smoke jaguars value information gained form advanced scouting forces so that they may plan accordingly. Followed swiftly by blitzkrieg assaults on enemy forces. as a result Smoke Jaguars heavily favor light and assault mechs. These mechs are known to be almost exclusive to Smoke Jaguar Manufacture or are fielded by Smoke Jaguar more then any other clan by 3049-3051

Lights:
Arctic Cheetah (Hankyu)

Horned Owl (Peregrine)

Locust IIC

Mist Lynx (Koshi)

Mediums:

Great Wyrm

Stormcrow (Ryoken)

Heavy:

Ebon Jaguar (Cauldron-Born)

Mad Dog (Vulture)

Assault:

Dire Wolf (Daishi)

Stone Rhino (Behemoth)

Warhawk (Masakari)

[Pariah Devalis]

I am just surprised how the Turkina, a Falcon mech, is used by Nova Cats. I thought those mechs were somewhat restricted, like how the Nova Cat was extremely rare to find outside of CNC itself. Also really surprised how few clans use our Huntsman considering when it was introduced and what it was designed to replace. Only Fire Mandril and Star Adder seem to field them outside of CNC. That surprises me tremendously.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Pariah Devalis, on 02 June 2014 - 06:19 AM, said:

I once headcapped three spiders with a single Gauss Rifle shot at 800 meters.

*shiftyeyes*

Pics or it didn't happen

raigner, on 02 June 2014 - 06:58 AM, said:

I am appalled that Clan Smoke Jaguar did not get representation on your lists, Raciest.

To whom are you referring to?

Edited by Jaroth Corbett, 02 June 2014 - 07:41 AM.

[CyclonerM]

Especially since i do not remember the Nova Cats fighting any major Trial against the Green Pigeons

[Raigner]

Jaroth Corbett, on 02 June 2014 - 07:40 AM, said:

Pics or it didn't happen




To whom are you referring to?

you.

[Gyrok]

I would like to point out that you find the War Hawk, the Dire Wolf, the Mad Dog, the Storm Crow, the Arctic Cheetah and Mist Lynx in the toumans of many other clans. The Ebon Jaguar is found somewhat less widespread, however, it is not an exclusively Smoke Jaguar mech.

The Stone Rhino was a predominantly Smoke Jaguar mech, though there may be a few fielded by other clans here and there. That, however, does not speak to the incredibly low volume of that mech encountered anywhere.

[Jaroth Corbett]

raigner, on 02 June 2014 - 07:47 AM, said:

you.

Then you sir are an idiot. Here is why:

1. When asked by Keeshu where my pics came from, I replied "A Mechwarrior's Guide to the Clans". If you have a problem with that, then speak to the writers & contributors of that sourcebook e.g FASA (you know the people that kinda had a big part to do with Battletech), Loren L. Coleman (that random guy who just happens to write novels for the BT universe), Randall L Bills (that other random guy who I think had a minor role in project development like the creation, introduction & implementation of the Clans) & the others who I will not take more time to list.

2. Why would I be prejudiced against the Smoke Jaguars when I used to be one & have a Smoke Jaguar Bloodname?



second row, second column

3. There is no E in racist.

#thinkbeforeyoutype

Edited by Jaroth Corbett, 02 June 2014 - 08:07 AM.

[Keeshu]

Pariah Devalis, on 02 June 2014 - 07:09 AM, said:

I am just surprised how the Turkina, a Falcon mech, is used by Nova Cats. I thought those mechs were somewhat restricted, like how the Nova Cat was extremely rare to find outside of CNC itself. Also really surprised how few clans use our Huntsman considering when it was introduced and what it was designed to replace. Only Fire Mandril and Star Adder seem to field them outside of CNC. That surprises me tremendously.

According to Sarna, Cloud Cobra, Coyote, Fire Mandrill, Goliath Scorpion also use the Turkina. At least it's listed as a clan mech. At that point I kind of expect them to put the Turkina under Clan General.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Turkina Look at the very bottom, it's listed in those clan categories.

Turkina is a pretty sweet mech though, and I love it when mechs are symmetrical. 2 ER PPCs? nice. 2 LRM 15s? nice. Jumpjets? nice. 2 LBXAC5? eh, I'm not a fan of ballistics usually but are alright if you start overheating because of the PPCs. Too bad it's an assault though, Assaults are too slow for my tastes. Though if I had to pilot an Assault, Turkina is probably up there in my choices since the loadout + design are pretty nice.

I'd have to look through all the assaults again, but Stone Rhino (Behemoth) is probably the Assault I'd like to pilot. 100 ton Sniping machine with Jumpjets. and I like the silly fact that you can basicly punch things with the barrels if they somehow got that close. Stone Rhino was one of my favorite mechs for a long time.
I'm a little surprised that the Stone Rhino isn't more popular with Goliath Scorpion though. I know they made a variant for it, but still it has weapons focused on long range precision, and above the legs it looks like a scorpion.

Edited by Keeshu, 02 June 2014 - 08:31 AM.

[Zerberus]

Jaroth Corbett, on 01 June 2014 - 10:42 AM, said:

Question, does the Warden Front Line picture looked screwed up at the bottom or is it just me?

Not necessarily, but One thing that bothers me is that there is no way that that is a 3050 relevant list....... Wolf are currently still wardens (hence WiE is nonexistent), and numerous mechs on that list do not fit the timeline.... That also explains the absence of CSJ , as they`ve been annihilated by that time.

Still, thanks for posting the scans, as they`re still generally useful

Edited by Zerberus, 02 June 2014 - 08:25 AM.