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[Ryoken]

CoffiNail, on 04 June 2014 - 10:05 AM, said:

THIS IS WHAT WE WERE SHOWN
THIS WAS THE FIRST REVEAL
THIS IS WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD GET
PLEASE FIX THIS PGI.

Can't quote this man often enough!
PGI give us the correct Clan logos please!

[Cimarb]

Ryoken, on 05 June 2014 - 06:47 AM, said:

PGI give us decals on our mechs!

FTFY

[Revis Volek]

Name one company that sells the same design year after year after year? Because not changing your designs can be just as dumb as remaking it into something that doesnt sit well with your customers. If you don't like them i cant say you are wrong because beauty is in the eye of the beholder but being stale is never good. What i think is a nice looking car your might think is hideous. So to each his own.....but saying they should use the same logos is like saying Ford should have just stuck with the Model T. PGI just seems to not fully understand what we the customers want all the time but they are trying to please us as far as i can tell.

Edited by DarthRevis, 05 June 2014 - 09:40 AM.

[Pariah Devalis]

@Darth: CoD.

[Kibble]

PGI doesn't find the hardcore BT fan base to matter so why would they give us the original logos we grew up with?

I'm pretty sure it will be nothing but disappointment with the new choices. One really super bad which we will then be forced to vote for the current logos.

[CoffiNail]

see, we are not saying, use the same logos as the 90s. We just want the same treatment the inner sphere house logos has. They did not get a massive overhaul, they just got a nice refresh. The made them modern without redesigning the to look like a high school sports team logo.

[Tannhauser Gate]

I say stick with MWO's IS refresh style. The 90s logos are great, classic, and canon but they are also copyrighted and I dont think PGI can legally use them.

[Cimarb]

I was talking with my unit about this, and something that Russ(?) said earlier struck me. We don't need to have a single icon for both in-game and out. For the game, have the icon simplified and distinct, i.e. militarized, while the forum icon can be parade-worthy and full of detail. Both can be associated with the same faction, but it just displays the correct one depending on where it is displayed. For instance, if it is on the mech or gamer tag, show the military icon, while forums and in-cockpit banners can use the parade version.

LakeDaemon, on 05 June 2014 - 10:22 AM, said:

I say stick with MWO's IS refresh style. The 90s logos are great, classic, and canon but they are also copyrighted and I dont think PGI can legally use them.

I don't believe it has anything to do with legality. They just wanted to refresh them, like they have for the mechs even when there were no legal issues.

[Odanan]

DarthRevis, on 05 June 2014 - 09:39 AM, said:

Name one company that sells the same design year after year after year? Because not changing your designs can be just as dumb as remaking it into something that doesnt sit well with your customers. If you don't like them i cant say you are wrong because beauty is in the eye of the beholder but being stale is never good. What i think is a nice looking car your might think is hideous. So to each his own.....but saying they should use the same logos is like saying Ford should have just stuck with the Model T. PGI just seems to not fully understand what we the customers want all the time but they are trying to please us as far as i can tell.

The logos are not car models that need to be modernized each installment: they are part of the universe's history. How many times the flag of your country or the roundel of your armed forces changed in this century?

CoffiNail, on 05 June 2014 - 10:10 AM, said:

see, we are not saying, use the same logos as the 90s. We just want the same treatment the inner sphere house logos has. They did not get a massive overhaul, they just got a nice refresh. The made them modern without redesigning the to look like a high school sports team logo.

This. ^

[Jaroth Corbett]

Well said sir!

[_Comrade_]

LakeDaemon, on 05 June 2014 - 10:22 AM, said:

I say stick with MWO's IS refresh style. The 90s logos are great, classic, and canon but they are also copyrighted and I dont think PGI can legally use them.

I don't see how it can be a copyright issue. Harmony gold owns the rights to the unseen mechs and that is all/ Activision owns nothing as they sold the rights to Microsoft. Microsoft owns the franchise but has leased it to PGI. So wheres the copyright issue?

[Odanan]

Grimwill, on 05 June 2014 - 10:35 AM, said:

I don't see how it can be a copyright issue. Harmony gold owns the rights to the unseen mechs and that is all/ Activision owns nothing as they sold the rights to Microsoft. Microsoft owns the franchise but has leased it to PGI. So wheres the copyright issue?

They wanted to do a very special treat for the Clan players (you can see the artist put effort on the new logos). They didn't have tough the empathy to understand we (the old players, not these new guys that know zip about Battletech) don't want the change.

It's like you returning home and your wife says: "Darling, surprise! I burned all your old clothes and shoes and bough new ones. You are welcome!"

[Cimarb]

Odanan, on 05 June 2014 - 10:33 AM, said:

The logos are not car models that need to be modernized each installment: they are part of the universe's history. How many times the flag of your country or the roundel of your armed forces changed in this century?

While I understand your point, the U.S. Army and Air Force logos have both changed at least once in my 37 years of life. I am not sure about the other branches, though. If you look up the US Army logo on Google, for instance, the first few rows of icons have SIX major variations, and that does not count motto changes (Army Strong to Army of One, for instance).

For our country flag, it has not changed a lot in the last 100 years, but we had a LOT of changes as the country was forming and evolving during the first hundred. I still see those hideous Confederate flags all over the place, actually - one of the only things I dislike about moving out of the north...

[_Comrade_]

In case you guys didn't see they will be voting on doing a mild refresh or for the redesign. May i campaign for the mild refresh. Vote mild refresh 2014! Cause if you don't vote for mild refresh the terrorist win

LakeDaemon, on 05 June 2014 - 10:22 AM, said:

I say stick with MWO's IS refresh style. The 90s logos are great, classic, and canon but they are also copyrighted and I dont think PGI can legally use them.

I guess i was wrong. After reading the dev post it appears their is some copyright issues with the old logos. So they stated that if they do change the logos it won't look exactly like the 90's designs

Edited by Grimwill, 05 June 2014 - 04:32 PM.

[John Norad]

I agree with the OP. I don't really like PGI's take on the clan tags, especially the wolf. Also what CoffiNail posted kinda hits the nail on the head.
But strictly speaking, it depends on where the logo appears. On a mech, all that added detail is redundant, since you won't see it from farther away. Somewhere else it might make sense.
Still I prefer abstract and rather plain logos in general. Less is more in this case. Imho.

-edit-
It seems things like tradition, or an emblem, are not held in great esteem. Everything must be newer, higher resolution, more colors, etc. etc. That's a tiring trend.

Cimarb, on 04 June 2014 - 01:30 PM, said:

I do like the ones that Odanan posted, but MAN you guys are whiney. It's like everything that is even slightly different than you think it should be is a complete travesty and personal offense done just to make you quit.

Shoot, considering some of the horrible versions in people's signatures in this thread alone, I am offended myself by your offense to these new designs.

Be constructive about suggestions and stop shouting in all caps and insulting the artists. Please.

You just wasted most of your reply with insulting other players..
Dude, what's wrong with you? Double standards much? Keep it polite, please.

Edited by John Norad, 05 June 2014 - 05:05 PM.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Grimwill, on 05 June 2014 - 04:34 PM, said:

In case you guys didn't see they will be voting on doing a mild refresh or for the redesign. May i campaign for the mild refresh. Vote mild refresh 2014! Cause if you don't vote for mild refresh the terrorist win



I guess i was wrong. After reading the dev post it appears their is some copyright issues with the old logos. So they stated that if they do change the logos it won't look exactly like the 90's designs

If that was the case then why were the Clan mechs shown with the old icons? PGI is not making sense. What are they going to say? They did not know that before they showed us those pics? Really? I am not buying it.

[Odanan]

John Norad, on 05 June 2014 - 04:56 PM, said:

It seems things like tradition, or an emblem, are not held in great esteem. Everything must be newer, higher resolution, more colors, etc. etc. That's a tiring trend.

I love you.

Jaroth Corbett, on 05 June 2014 - 07:33 PM, said:

If that was the case then why were the Clan mechs shown with the old icons? PGI is not making sense. What are they going to say? They did not know that before they showed us those pics? Really? I am not buying it.

They can't copy and paste the logos drawn by other people (like I did).
They can, however, get an artist to re-draw that logos (like they did with the IS logos).

[Jaroth Corbett]

Why would they even have to? Understand what I am saying. I smell bullshit. I believe PGI would have a legal department, however big it is in comparison to other companies is irrelevant. The point is even if it is just ONE lawyer, that ONE guy would have been at the meetings between PGI, MS & whoever else fits into the equation.

There is a reason we have not seen, are not seeing & will most likely NEVER will see the Warhammer i.e. the lawsuit that it resembles a Gundam design blah blah blah. So the legal team would have made sure PGI dotted all their Is & crossed all their Ts before making the game & doing constant checking while the game is actually going on. How then did those logos, which look exactly like the ones I have been accustomed seeing all my BT/MW life, get on the Clan Collection ad if there was even a whiff of a copyright issue?

So what they (and by they I mean whoever wants us to buy this copyright bullshit story) want us to believe, is that PGI made sure to dodge getting sued for a MECH design, but not for logos/sigils/emblems? Nope not buying it. The abominations they call sigils would have been on the Clan Collection ad, we would have asked at the beginning, "Hey why do the Clan sigils looks so different", which would have initiated a conversation well before this date. This sounds like the art guys said, "Hey guys do the Clan logos have to be the same as the ones from before or can I/we redesign them?" to which the reply came, "Meh. Go wild with it. Whatever floats your boat."

Nobody finds it strange that the day of the release of these sigils, Russ said on Twitter that the art director was out of town & unavailable?

Edited by Jaroth Corbett, 06 June 2014 - 03:37 AM.

[Odanan]

Jaroth Corbett, on 06 June 2014 - 03:35 AM, said:

This sounds like the art guys said, "Hey guys do the Clan logos have to be the same as the ones from before or can I/we redesign them?" to which the reply came, "Meh. Go wild with it. Whatever floats your boat."

Nobody finds it strange that the day of the release of these sigils, Russ said on Twitter that the art director was out of town & unavailable?

It looks like the art director WAS REALLY unavailable.

[TibsVT]

They have mentioned legal issues were the reason they can't outright use the originals.