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[GreyGriffin]

While I am pretty disappointed in the vanilla blah sense of how these pieces of equipment are implemented, I do want to raise a bit of a hand to say that increasing projectile speed to emulate accuracy is fine by me, to a degree. We all want to play Mechsim, the Cockpitting, but we do have to accept a certain level of abstraction. We already have subsonic autocannons and particle beams flying at speeds that can be outdone by an angry german in a van on the autobahn. So bravo for coming up with one bit of interesting piece of lateral thinking.

Now if only we could get something actually *interesting* out of this tech.

[Navid A1]

GreyGriffin, on 11 June 2014 - 10:18 PM, said:

While I am pretty disappointed in the vanilla blah sense of how these pieces of equipment are implemented, I do want to raise a bit of a hand to say that increasing projectile speed to emulate accuracy is fine by me, to a degree. We all want to play Mechsim, the Cockpitting, but we do have to accept a certain level of abstraction. We already have subsonic autocannons and particle beams flying at speeds that can be outdone by an angry german in a van on the autobahn. So bravo for coming up with one bit of interesting piece of lateral thinking.

Now if only we could get something actually *interesting* out of this tech.

Give me target predicted trajectory using a dotted line and blocked aim indicator for the clan TC and i'll be happy.

You know... Somthing new and innovative.

Edited by Navid A1, 11 June 2014 - 10:35 PM.

[Windsaw]

I have read what it does and now I have just one question:
Why is ist called "Command Console"?

[AUSSIETROOPER4]

How does a targetting computer speed up projectiles?

[Pale Jackal]

To mimic everyone else:

Command Console is lame, weak, and doesn't feel particularly command oriented. Why even have it in the game?

[Cimarb]

Pale Jackal, on 12 June 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

To mimic everyone else:

Command Console is lame, weak, and doesn't feel particularly command oriented. Why even have it in the game?

Pretend they gave you your wish and don't equip it.

[Archon]

I think the targeting computer sounds great. The command console, on the other hand, should really have more function with "commanding" a lance of mechs.

[Fallenbourne]

I have read about half of the post here in this thread, so if I repeat something already said I apologize. It is good to see that something is being done with the CC but what has been done is terrible. For the weight it is not worth it. As others have said it should give a group "buff".

Some where along the lines of all friendly mechs within 800m gain a bonus to TIG, increased sensor range, decreased lock time for missles, and increased time to target loss. Maybe even a buff to the range of BAP equipped mechs, as in effective range of BAP or the ability to show what mechs the enemy is piloting on the scoreboard once its info has been gathered. This takes into consideration a second pilot/computer crunching data and sending out "orders"/info to other mechs.

The idea of an enhanced map for orders and the such is a great idea, but how many people in a PUG actually use the current orders?

The TC as it stands is too powerful, especially with the current meta. I understand that the numbers are place holders but the amount of "buffs" it too much.

To start out with there should only be Mk 1-4, just like jump jets or do it like TT with a sliding weight scale. Also it shouldn't get better with each Mk. The "buff" numbers should stay the same, just weight and slots should increase. The zoom distance is nice and the TIG is also. Drop the beam max range increase, the sensor range increase and the increased crit. The increased crit is OP. Keep the increase to max effective range and for an "accuracy buff" have it decrease the beam on time. Not low enough to be equal to IS lasers but some thing longer, maybe half way between the normal IS and Clan on time. As for projectiles the projectile speed increase I think will unbalance the game, especially with the current meta. Maybe a higher long range like the beams or less of a bullet drop.

On a side note, I dont post much in the forums due the toxicity of the community. Some one a handful of pages ago made a good point to say that if PGI had better transparency and much better communication we wouldn't be in this situation. PGI should have come out months ago and said this is what we are thinking about doing for the CC and TC. And gotten feedback then. Not 2 weeks before clan release.

Just my $.02

[Osric Lancaster]

Christ, I know this is more or less the lazy, unimaginative RPG implementation I've come to expect from PGI but . . . bullet speed increase?

Really?

If any of you had read your suggestion forums the tiniest bit in the past several years you'd have found a million ways to implement these modules in less dumb, unrealistic and generally disappointing ways. They wouldn't have even been HARD to do, assuming you have an actual coder on staff and not just an XML monkey.

[Revorn]

3Tonns for that BS? ROFL


Command Console

ow let’s take a look at the Inner Sphere Command Console, which will be sharing functionality similar to the Targeting Computers

NOTE:]Once again, all values are placeholders

Command Console[

Weight: 3 tons.]

Slots: 1 slot.

Zoom distance: [+5.25]%

Sensor range: [+6.0]%

Time to gather target info: [-20.5]%

You can change the Values up to the Sky and no one would take this Crap.

Edited by Revorn, 12 June 2014 - 05:27 PM.

[Deathz Jester]

So they both seem to have very competitive stats..... whats going to be done to keep BAP as a viable component? Since (as far as I know) only one IS mech can mount a Command Module, but I'm guessing multiple Clan Mechs will have Targeting Computers.

[Zureal]

Well all I know is that the "Targeting Computer" feels vary un targ comp to me. Its supposed to be there to make you MORE ACCURATE not give you buffs. the fu*&??? This is how it has ALWAYS been and to be MW3 did the best job of implementing it as close to canon as possible.

[danneskold]

Long post so didnt read all 19 pages...

But what strikes me, beyond the difference in the modules, with so much more capacity in the TC vs the CC (esp for the weight)

Is that it makes no logical sense that the computer speeds up your projectile speed! That is a physical function of the gun, that cannot be tweaked by a computer!

[Zureal]

danneskold, on 13 June 2014 - 07:38 AM, said:

Long post so didnt read all 19 pages...



Is that it makes no logical sense that the computer speeds up your projectile speed! That is a physical function of the gun, that cannot be tweaked by a computer!

In the canon BT universe we call it "handwavium"

[Heffay]

danneskold, on 13 June 2014 - 07:38 AM, said:

Is that it makes no logical sense that the computer speeds up your projectile speed! That is a physical function of the gun, that cannot be tweaked by a computer!

there are many current day examples where this happens. For example, the new Navy gun system can adjust projectile speed electronically. In WW2, battleships could accomplish the same function through changing the number of powder bags they put with each shot.

Modern car systems can get dramatically increased horsepower through replacing a computer chip. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

[Kaio Pryde]

what if you guys make the targetting computers for the clan mechs to shorten the beam duration based on the tonnage of the targeting computer being equiped

so the extremely long beam durations for clan mechs can be lowered and forcing people to work targetting computers into their builds

[Vermaxx]

Targeting computers - overpowered especially since it's yet another thing IS players cannot get or mix into their own mechs.

Command consoles - still useless.

[Nightmare1]

I don't see much use for a Mk IV - Mk VII console. Not at the cost of that much tonnage/slots. I would rather have the weapon system that I would probably have to sacrifice to mount the console.

That being said, though this is exciting in general terms, even if it is not really feasible. I see it as a crutch for new players or veteran players who just don't have skills. If you have so much trouble aiming and hitting that you are will to sacrifice a weapon system for the Mk VII system, then it probably isn't going to be such a huge help to you in the long run.

I might be enticed to use the Mk I or Mk II systems for the slight boost to target info gathering (would be nice if it stacks with my Target Info Gathering module), but beyond that, I would much rather have the slots and tonnage for weapons, heat sinks, and ammo.

The crit bonuses are very nice, but again, you have to sacrifice a weapon system. It's hard for me to justify a 7-ton loss just for 25% crit chance increase when our crit chances are already pretty decent. On an Assault Mech, it might be more feasible because of the extra tonnage, but I can't see it being used on anything smaller than that.

Those are just my thoughts on it.

[wanderer]

Kaio Pryde, on 13 June 2014 - 10:39 PM, said:

what if you guys make the targetting computers for the clan mechs to shorten the beam duration based on the tonnage of the targeting computer being equiped

so the extremely long beam durations for clan mechs can be lowered and forcing people to work targetting computers into their builds

This is actually an excellent idea that also improves Clan direct-fire weaponry. I understand projectile speed boosts are for effectively "tighter" AC bursts and such, this would work much the same way without turning CERPPC's into supercritical death rays.

[verybad]

The Command Console makes utterly no sense in how it's to be implemented.

It's not a lower power Targeting computer, it's a communications device. So have in increase sensor range more, have it extend the length of locks and tracking of enemies behind cover, and have it make more information on the enemies available.

The command computer shoud be a piece of equipment that the enemy wants to target the mech carrying it, not a weak targeting computer.

Give it a significant boost in intelligence, not a worthless minor value to individual play.