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[Sniper09121986]

Well then. The Gauss and PPC are just fine. The ACs, well, just make an alt fire mode and list it as a SEPARATE WEAPON with a common reload in weapon groups list, I have written about this many times before. It would allow for great flexibility, will not break any of the existing interface mechanics and make a good basis for implementing ATMs (you do realise there is no way around these, do you, PGI?). As for LRMs, sad news for missile boats like Adder A and Kit Fox D, but bearable for others for the time being (but not too long a time, mind you).

[Lily from animove]

One question I do still have left, its said that gauss, AC's and ER PPC's will not have lower arm actuators.

Will removing the AC from the Direwold prime make lower arm actuators appear? or will the prime arms NEVER be able to do have lower arm actuators.

One question I do still have left, its said that gauss, AC's and ER PPC's will not have lower arm actuators.

Will removing the AC from the Direwold prime make lower arm actuators appear? or will the prime arms NEVER be able to do have lower arm actuators.

[Grey Ghost]

Monky, on 07 June 2014 - 11:47 PM, said:

Can we get the clan LBX setup for the IS? In that, IS can choose a 'burst fire' LBX cannon as well as the canister fire we already have? I would love to see IS LBX 10 be a 2 shot burst for 5 damage, at least as an option.

This might be the only way they would ever give us a "Slug" LB 10-X AC. As having it fire in burst mode would theoretically not invalidate the current AC/10 (even though it should until special ammo ). Personally I'm just fed up with basically having a shotgun with nonsensical long range attributes that are basically rendered meaningless.

[MustrumRidcully]

Koniving, on 07 June 2014 - 08:55 PM, said:

So, ultimately every concept, every idea, everything ever spouted about ways to help reduce pinpoint damage and de-meta the game for the Inner sphere to develop a fun experience for all... has been applied exclusively to the Clans.

Well, we won't have to worry about the Clans being overpowered. Even with the almighty targeting computer, they are effectively incapable of pinpoint with anything except the Gauss Rifle. (That's not a bad thing... but it doesn't change Inner Sphere essentially outclassing everything. Is their pinpoint part of the balance?)

Well, not all the ideas. And not necessarily the good ideas. *sigh*

[ShinVector]

Sooo CLAN meta will be 2 Gauss + ERPPC + TC ?
40 pin point + 5 arching damage.

Edited by ShinVector, 08 June 2014 - 01:49 AM.

[Scurry]

ShinVector, on 08 June 2014 - 01:48 AM, said:

Sooo CLAN meta will be 2 Gauss + ERPPC + TC ?
40 pin point + 5 arching damage.

Rather unlikely, I think, since Mad Cat has only 27.5 tons of pod space. Two CGR weigh 24 tons. Probably can't fit that on anything except the assaults - which don't have jump jets.

Edit: I do wonder, though......since UAC20 apparently has 4 slugs of 5 damage each, will they move at AC5 speed? If so, hmm........

Edited by Scurry, 08 June 2014 - 02:33 AM.

[RedDragon]

*sigh* So many band-**** for terrible game mechanics

To translate Paul's post:
Gauss: We stick to the un-balancable model of free customization. So here, have some more arbitrary limitations.
PPC: Idea is ok, but it should be that way for all PPCs
ACs and LRMs: We needed the money so we pushed out the Clans before we had any idea nor the capability to implement them. Here, have some half-assed solutions.

[Reno Blade]

RedDragon, on 08 June 2014 - 02:45 AM, said:

*sigh* So many band-**** for terrible game mechanics

To translate Paul's post:
Gauss: We stick to the un-balancable model of free customization. So here, have some more arbitrary limitations.
PPC: Idea is ok, but it should be that way for all PPCs
ACs and LRMs: We needed the money so we pushed out the Clans before we had any idea nor the capability to implement them. Here, have some half-assed solutions.

What is wrong with the Gauss? It's in the best spot of all balistics atm.

Would you rather have the clan package wait 2 weeks to get the LRM fixes in and X weeks for the LBX ammo ?
How many do you think would rather wait for these two "minor" things?

[RedDragon]

Reno Blade, on 08 June 2014 - 03:04 AM, said:

What is wrong with the Gauss? It's in the best spot of all balistics atm.

Would you rather have the clan package wait 2 weeks to get the LRM fixes in and X weeks for the LBX ammo ?
How many do you think would rather wait for these two "minor" things?

The Gauss is not the problem, the problem is that they need to slap a band-aid on every weapon nowadays (in the case of Gauss even 2) because they failed to create a balanced system in the first place and are also stubborn on keeping it while everyone and their mother tells them how bad it is and that we need a revamp from the ground up.

And yes, I would rather wait 2 weeks to get it fixed. But I neither bought a Clan pack nor am I actively playing the game right now, so I don't count in that matter I guess
The point is that they had no idea of how to go through with that whole Clan thing when initiating their cash grab, and now we have it, half of the stuff is a crutch and the other half doesn't work. And with a view to PGIs history of fixing things, I foresee that you will be in for a lot of disappointment if you believe that in 2 weeks everything will be working.

[Reno Blade]

There are even people who would want a single gauss to block energy to ANY other weapon (including 2nd gauss).
I think this is the best fix for the Gauss and not a bandaid at all.
2 Gauss lets you still use it efficiently in pairs, but that is not OP in most cases and it reduces the efficiency of 3 and 4 Gauss.

OK let me ask it a bit differently:
Would you deny everyone else their paid package because there is something not working as expected, but there is a work around (LBX) or only a slight impact (LRM) ?

[Pale Jackal]

BigTaeng, on 07 June 2014 - 09:10 PM, said:

Ironically Clan pinpoint damage will be mitigated while IS pinpoint damage will be even deadlier against Clan 'Mechs because of their weak armor values.

It seems PGI wants to stop this invasion before it even starts.

Some of their 'mechs have near max armor. Some don't, the latter will be DOA, the former I suspect will be very potent unless they have awful hit boxes (which they will, so that's a balancing factor.)

Also, screw the Lore, just make Clan LRMs have a minimum distance like IS LRMs.

Edited by Pale Jackal, 08 June 2014 - 03:32 AM.

[RedDragon]

Reno Blade, on 08 June 2014 - 03:26 AM, said:

OK let me ask it a bit differently:
Would you deny everyone else their paid package because there is something not working as expected, but there is a work around (LBX) or only a slight impact (LRM) ?

Frankly, I don't care anymore. This could have been the chance for PGI to surprise us in a positive way, and they botched it. Now it's business as usual again. They can release their half-finished content and the people who bought it can have their fun with it while everyone else who hoped PGI would turn around and actually make progress in the game can leave or keep on hoping.

[Mazzyplz]

Lightfoot, on 07 June 2014 - 08:53 PM, said:

The ERPPC is too hot at 15 heat for DHS 1.4 to dissapate. I think if you ask most players the consensus is one is all you can run without overheating all the time. So most players will currently take one PPC and one ERPPC. The Clans do not have that option and the Masakari of course carries 4 Clan ERPPCs. I see some big problems since I have never been able to get the stock AWS-9M to work in combat against the cool rapid-fire-on-recharge Autocannons that populate MWO matches.

the stock one sucks, but if you change the third erppc for a normal ppc you can alpha and move at a good range and it's pretty sweet

[Kmieciu]

Deathlike, on 07 June 2014 - 08:47 PM, said:

While tri-Gauss Ilyas get an indirect nerf (they are already glass cannons as they are), the ERPPC is still "perfect" for the FLD meta.

LRMs... why does it feel like you did this all at the last minute?

Because they did?

[GalaxyBluestar]

Reno Blade, on 08 June 2014 - 03:26 AM, said:

OK let me ask it a bit differently:
Would you deny everyone else their paid package because there is something not working as expected, but there is a work around (LBX) or only a slight impact (LRM) ?

why not? pgi do it all the time... enjoying those loyalty points?

[Mystere]

What about Clan lasers? Does that mean they are as originally specced?

Edited by Mystere, 08 June 2014 - 04:16 AM.

[mike29tw]

I expect some of the changes made to Clan weapons carried over to their IS counterparts if they're proven useful in curbing FLD weapons.

[Bishop Steiner]

Paul Inouye, on 07 June 2014 - 08:31 PM, said:

Feedback on the Clan and IS Weapon Update can go here.

Spoiler

Weapon Updates and News

We have some Clan weapon information for you all as well as some updates to IS weapons too!

Gauss Rifles

The Gauss Rifle will operate as is but only 2 Gauss Rifles can be charged at one time. For example, the Dire Wolf 'Mech can theoretically equip 4 Gauss Rifles. This would be VERY nasty on the battlefield since Gauss Rifles do not generate heat and can sync their charges all at the same time. Due to the amount of energy it takes to charge a Gauss Rifle, any given 'Mech can only charge and sustain 2 Guass Rifles at any one time. If you put all 4 Gauss Rifles on the same weapon group and hit and hold the key, you will see that only 2 of them will charge. If you do not fire them, the two charged weapons will discharge and the other two Gauss Rifles will instantly start charging. If you do fire the first two Gauss Rifles, you can start charging the other two immediately. Basically this translates to only being able to fire 2 Gauss Rifles at the same time. This mechanic will also be carried over to the Inner Sphere version of the Gauss Rifle.

The Clan ER-PPC

The Clan ER-PPC will be spreading its damage across multiple components. As you may know, the Clan ER-PPC does 15 damage compared to the IS PPC doing 10. The extra 5 damage will be split to 2 adjacent components at 2.5 damage each. For example, if you hit a 'Mech with the Clan ER-PPC in the center torso, 10 damage will be applied to the center torso and 2.5 damage will arc to the left and right torso. If you hit a component that does not have an adjacent component, the 2.5 damage will dissipate into nothing. An example of this is if the Clan ER-PPC hits an arm, 10 points of damage will be applied to the arm and 2.5 damage to that side's torso. The other 2.5 damage will be negated so total damage done on the shot is 12.5. Now it is understood that this has been a requested feature for the IS PPC for a long time, but this mechanic was needed to help curb the sheer OP power of the Clan ER-PPC to help us keep Clan tech somewhat in-line with the IS tech already in the game. When Clans go live, the IS PPC will behave as it does now with no changes. We will continue to watch what is happening on the battlefield and will make adjustments as needed afterwards.

The Clan LBX Cluster vs Slug Ammunition Selection

As mentioned in the last Dev Vlog, we ran into an issue with the ability to swap ammunition types on the fly while playing the game. This has not changed. For the time being, we have created a one off weapon type that has the exact same characteristics as the LB-X in terms of weight and space requirements but fire slugs with the same characteristics of the Clan Ultra AutoCannon counterparts. For example, the Clan LB 2-X will fire a cluster round totalling 2 damage. The Clan AutoCannon/2 will fire a 2 round volley with each slug doing 1 damage for a total of 2 damage. Players will have to make the choice as to which weapon to equip to their Clan 'Mechs according to the firing style they wish to use. The space and weight of the Clan AutoCannon/2 is the same as the Clan LB 2-X. The range, firing mechanics, damage, etc. are the same as the Clan Ultra AutoCannon/2 (minus the double tap ability). These "Clan AutoCannon/#" weapons will remain in the game until such time that we can get the ammunition switching working.

Clan LRM Minimum Range

Clan LRMs are supposed to not have a minimum range to do damage. Unfortunately we have not had the time to get this fully working for the Clan launch. During the development of this feature, to be released shortly after the Clan launch, we will have the same minimum range as the Inner Sphere LRMs of 180 meters. We apologize for not getting this in on time for the Clan launch but it is not something we are going to forget about. Engineering has the design in their hands and they will start working on it as soon as possible which will likely show up in the first patch after Clan launch. Just to keep you in the loop as to what will be happening, so you're not left in the dark, Clan LRMs will have ramping damage in the 0-180 meter range. This will not be a linear ramp (i.e. damage will not be 1/2 at 90 meters). In order for damage to climb to normal levels, it will slowly climb in the 0-100 meter range and then quickly ramp up in damage from 100-180 meters. Exact numbers will be released as the system goes into testing.

not really getting the point of the Clan "AC" as a placeholder.

If one wants and LB, use it. But since the clan "LB-X" and clan ultra are the same mass, and the cln ultra and ac will use the same firing mechanic, it seems largely pointless to mount a clan "standard" ac? (after all, you don't have to double tap the UAC)

Heck, the UACs even use less crits.

[Bishop Steiner]

Scratx, on 07 June 2014 - 08:49 PM, said:

Side note, though I suspect I know the answer, will the IS LB10 ever get a slug munition? I'm aware it'd invalidate the AC10... but I'm wondering, if it on firing slugs acts like a clan LB and fires multiple slugs while the regular AC10 remains single shell FLD, wouldn't it mean the AC10 remains a valid option?

Paul said it would not on his last Beers n Devs interview over at NGNG

[Kmieciu]

Mystere, on 08 June 2014 - 04:14 AM, said:

What about Clan lasers? Does that mean they are as originally specced?

I predict:

cERML - 7 damage, 6 heat, 1.5 second burn time :-)