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[Glamdring]

Man, you people are crazy. With the lone exception of the clan wolf logo, the new ones are way better. I just can't even imagine how frustrating it must be for pgi to have every single decision right down to art style viciously attacked by legions of enraged purple faced basement dwellers who all think that this game needs to be designed to please them specifically, and whenever that doesn't happen, it was an intentional personal insult. I for one am sad to see that the new designs are obviously on the way out. Yet another victory for the perpetually outraged butthurt brigade.

[Vincent V. Kerensky]

Glamdring, on 10 June 2014 - 11:59 PM, said:

Man, you people are crazy. With the lone exception of the clan wolf logo, the new ones are way better. I just can't even imagine how frustrating it must be for pgi to have every single decision right down to art style viciously attacked by legions of enraged purple faced basement dwellers who all think that this game needs to be designed to please them specifically, and whenever that doesn't happen, it was an intentional personal insult. I for one am sad to see that the new designs are obviously on the way out. Yet another victory for the perpetually outraged butthurt brigade.

If a high percentage of your consumers are not satisfied with your product, do you try to satisfy them or ignore them? I am a designer myself and know very well how it feels for a designer to have ones work shot down. I know how it feels to sit there and hear that my work is not up to par, but I "Keep Calm and Design on" instead.

It is always a challenge to make something that "everyone" likes. With that said, I also know how good it feels when the majority lets me know that they are happy with what I have made.

I have been rather outspoken against the new logos because in my eyes (and many others apparently) they do not fit with the feel of the game nor the established lore that PGI is following. We let them do what they wanted to do at first and the majority was not happy. Just because you can make something look "new" does not mean that it will be better that way. Sometimes, something old and established works just as well. FedEx is a good example, as is Coca Cola.

[Melonic]

Classic

[Cavendish]

Glamdring, on 10 June 2014 - 11:59 PM, said:

Man, you people are crazy. With the lone exception of the clan wolf logo, the new ones are way better. I just can't even imagine how frustrating it must be for pgi to have every single decision right down to art style viciously attacked by legions of enraged purple faced basement dwellers who all think that this game needs to be designed to please them specifically, and whenever that doesn't happen, it was an intentional personal insult. I for one am sad to see that the new designs are obviously on the way out. Yet another victory for the perpetually outraged butthurt brigade.

I think its more about "why change it?" when it comes to well known iconic emblems. I voted for the new-old-look but thats very likely because thats how I got to know the clans /shrug. Would I throw a hissyfit over the new ones? Nah, I dont think its important enough to warrant time on PGIs part right now, a week before Clan release, to redesign it but on the other hand it likely took five minutes to copy in the old emblems onto the flag background.

[Glamdring]

I also was weaned on the old designs. I've been a mechwarrior superfan since 1997 or thereabouts. My grades in high school suffered tremendously due to the time I put into dominating the New Star League in class 1 combat on MPlayer. But none of that means I'm incapable of recognizing a good thing when I see it. Obviously the clan wolf old logo is better than the new one, I could go either way on ghost bear, but the Falcons and the Jaguars are about to get screwed. Each clan should get to vote for their own logo. I'm about to get voted back to a fat pigeon by a bunch of Davions, Steiners and Wolves.

I bet you only 1 in 10 people who are actually going to use either the Falcon or the Jaguar voted for the "classic" logos.

Edited by Glamdring, 11 June 2014 - 01:06 AM.

[Methuselah Honeysuckle]

I like the traditional overall, but I feel sorry for the Jade Falcons. The re-imagined one is way better. Shame we can't vote individually.

[Cervantes88]

Honnestly it's a 50/50, new Smoke Jaguar and Jade Falcon are awesome and as a Smoke Jaguar player myself I am very happy with that, but the old Wolf and Ghost Bear are definitely better than the new ones...

[xhrit]

Timuroslav, on 10 June 2014 - 08:43 PM, said:

I actually like the Designs of the New ones a lot more. My problem with them is that they do not look good in game. This, I believe is due to the color pallet and complexity of the design.
The one that bothers me the most is probable Ghost Bear`s because it is not recognizable unless it`s huge.

Exactly. Classic faction logos were designed to be painted on miniatures and be instantly reconizable. They look better small / seen at a distance then the new logos, and as such will look better in-game; both on the leaderboard, and on our mechs (if PGI ever gets around to giving us decals).

Edited by xhrit, 11 June 2014 - 01:54 AM.

[PawPaWuFF]

why not both?

Edited by user5318, 11 June 2014 - 01:58 AM.

[Deathz Jester]

Ghost Bear and Jade Falcon's new images are very nice, however Wolf's looks less cool with the "snarling" wolf, maybe just remove the eye and the scrunched nose.


And smoke Jaguar would look nice if it didn't just look like a black panther now, i think the whole idea behind the old jaguar was it actually looked smokey....

[Tynam]

As with everyone else, it's actually a mix for me.

Classic Wolf is just hands-down better in every way. The modern one has a silly expression, and the contrast does it no favours. Definitely lose the visible eye; the shadowed socket conveyed personality and style, whereas the eye just creates a silly expression.

But modern Falcon is much better than the classic, improving on the fuzzy blandness of the original while keeping the feel. The whole look yells "We Are Falcon!" at me - well done.

Modern bear tries too hard for realistic bear proportions, costing it expression - logos are stylised for a reason. But the idea is sound, it just needs work.

Smoke Jaguar is a toss-up - the line and style of the new one are better, but I'd like to see it in darker greys rather than black. The original takes "smoke" too literally, but the new one loses it entirely - it would benefit from finding a space in between the two.

If I have to choose a group, I have to go with classic. But I'd prefer to see another round of improvements on the modern - take another pass at Wolf from scratch, and tweak the rest.

[Eduard Scorylo]

Classic. Even disregarding tradition, they are much better overall as logos.

Thanks for listening.

[sabujo]

Here's something of a middle way between both traditional and new approaches regarding CSJ:

[sabujo]

Jman5, on 10 June 2014 - 02:13 PM, said:

Ok, since we're having a big debate about artwork, I guess I'll leave my 2 cents. The problem with the "traditional" is that smoke jaguar's gray and ghost bear's gray are too similar when you shrink them down. 99% of our exposure to this artwork will be those little tiny icons by player's name in-game. Here is about how they will look



The gray and blue are kind of similar for the top two at first glance. Obviously if you look at it closer you can spot differences, but I feel like there should be distinct coloring. I like the black coloring of the jaguar with yellow claws/teeth.

The solution here is avoiding the lazy path and design simplified and adapted versions for smaller representations, where cropping is essential to make the significant elements such as the animal and colors, stand out. Here's a quick example:

[Sharknoms]

tm10067, on 10 June 2014 - 11:56 PM, said:

Seriously, how anyone can appreciate this new "art"? It's beyond my understanding.

Probably for the same reason why people make such fuzz about modern art.

[Sruba4]

JF,GB new better
SJ need a tweak
Wolf should be old

Edited by Sruba4, 11 June 2014 - 03:46 AM.

[Onmyoudo]

Sucks for the Jade Falcons and Smoke Jaguars who now have to lose their cool new designs for the crappy old ones, especially Jade Falcon with that awful bird-blob.

[PhoenixFire55]

How is this even a debate? Why don't we debate the redesign of a canadien flag? Just get real and delete the abominations you call modern / re-imagined.

[The Mechiac]

I had to vote to keep the new ones, I like them better overall.

The new Ghostbear does suck, not just the head, the background isn't blue enough.

The new Jade Falcon is.. freakin' cool.

At first, I didn't like the new wolf, but looking at it next to the old one, I like it better. The old one looks stuffed, the new one looks Vicious.

The new Smoke Jaguar isn't amazing or anything. The old one was just goofy.

[talbs]

Ghost Bears