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[Driftwoood]

So i only recently decided to check out the MWO game specs:

MechWarrior Online Recommended System Spec:
CPU: Core i3-2500 / AMD Athlon II X4 650
GPU:GeForce GTX 285 / Radeon HD 5830
RAM: 8 GB
OS: Windows 7 SP-1 64-Bit
DirectX: DX9
HDD Space: 8 GB

And realized my system is almost there, yet I have to play everything on minimal settings to get decent frame rate (20-40) in game... so I wanted to check here with some more knowledgable people: where's the bottleneck in my system? what do I upgrade to run MWO on high(est) settings?

My Rig:
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Quad Core Processor AM3 3.4GHZ 8MB Cache 125W 45NM
GPU: Powercolor Radeon HD 5770 PCs 875MHZ 1GB 4.9GHZ GDDR5 2XDVI HDMI DP DIRECTX11 PCI-E
RAM: 4 GB - G.SKILL Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-4GBXL 4GB 2X2GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 Memory
OS: Windows 7 SP-1 64-Bit

Looking at the above, my CPU is above requirements... GPU, almost... so the short fall has to be that I only have 4GB ram?

With that in mind, its $45 to get 4 more GB of the same ram... or I could by new 2x4GB for $93... don't really want to shell out much more money on this computer as I'll probably get a new one in a couple of years... am I likely to see better performance with the 2x4GB setup vs 4x2GB?

Edited by Driftwoood, 14 June 2014 - 02:56 PM.

[p8ragon]

It's your GPU. The recommended specs are a bit misleading.

I was hitting between 40-60 fps @ 1080p on a gtx 570.

Leave your RAM alone, you have enough for the game. If your power supply (and wallet) can take it, i suggest upgrading to atleast a gtx 750 ti (~$150 i think)

[WarGruf]

Sorry to tell you but I doubt you will see any improvement with just changing the ram...

I have an FX8350 @5Ghz with crossfired 7770's and STILL get dodgey Fps variations
I see changes from 60fps - 19fps during matches, I have upgraded everything apart from my 7770's. The game at the moment does not like AMD rigs at the moment, it used to but recently it has gone a bit sideways.

Just for comparison, here is my rig.
Cooler Master HAF XM case, 4x200mm Fans
Sabertooth FX990 R2.0
FX8350 @5Ghz under a Cooler Master NeptonXL 140mm Watercooler.
8Gb of Corsair DDR3 1600Mhz
250Gb Samsung Pro SSD
2x HD 7770 running at 1100Mhz Core - 1300Mhz Memory
800w Psu

60-19 Fps 1920x1080 (or any other resolution for that matter )

Hope we can get this fixed soon...

[Smokeyjedi]

There is clearly two bottlenecks, CPU not being OCd to 4.0 with aftermarket hypermaster 212+ http://www.newegg.ca...3-099-_-Product
and Thermal paste to use. any kind heck they will all improve temps.

You may see a higher Min FPS would hope to stay in mid 20s with 4.0ghz OC, but that GPU will limit the hell outta any games with a 128-bit memory interface,
You would see a huge improvement from ANY 256-bit 2gb Geforce or AMD videocard 560Ti 660Ti 760Ti, sorry im not able to point out AMD cards......I like Green!!!!!!

[ninjitsu]

The Phenom II 965 is roughly 5 years old. That's the first bottle neck, followed by the video card. Pretty much time for a new rig

[GentlemanBryan]

My RIG works great form this game.

GPU: GeForce GTX 770

CPU: Intel i7-4771 3.50GHz (Hydro water pump for cooling)

Memory: 16 GB RAM

OS: Windows 8.1

Monitor: 30 inch LCD ASUS (3D). Current resolution: 1920 x 1080, 120Hz

Keyboard, gamepad, and mouse: RAZOR

Edited by MAVRICK64, 14 June 2014 - 06:13 PM.

[Uparmored Rickshaw]

Depending on your MB, you could possibly go from the Deneb to a Bulldozer, or possibly even a Vishera FX-8350 Black Edition. You would notice some improvement in video encoding and transcoding. Night and Day improvement? Nope, but enough to squeeze the remaining juice out of the orange, until you are ready to do a complete rebuild.

The GPU would be next and I would recommend: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814130934

My .$.02.

Edited by LeonidasBD, 14 June 2014 - 06:18 PM.

[RAM]

$45 for +4 GB of RAM is a worthwhile upgrade - after all one can never have enough RAM!

2x4 GB is generally better than 4x2 GB, but not noticeably so.


RAM
ELH

[Bullseye69]

Your bottle neck first is video card and the processor. You could over clock he processor with a aftermarket cooler and that would help but the first thing to try is a new video card.


AMD R9-270X or R9-280
Nvidia 750TI not a expert on nvidia or 760 go here for some prices.

Here the site for video cards
http://pcpartpicker....147,167&sort=a8

Main site
http://pcpartpicker.com/

[Alreech]

Your Bottleneck is MWO.

My Specs:
Phenom II X 4 BE 965
8 GB Ram
first a 5830, now a R9 280

I get a big improvement from upgrading the 5830 to a R9 280...
In Battlefield 4 and Crysis.
I didn't get any improvements on minimum FPS in MWO, regardless of the settings (Low, Medium, High...)

If you take a look on the CPU utilisation during a online game you will see that core 4 is at almost 80 - 90 %, while the other 3 cores are not higher utilized than 60%.
So the best upgrade for MWO is to switch to a modern Intel CPU with high CPU Boost.

The guys from http://gamegpu.ru/ did a test of MWO with different CPUs and GPUs.
According to the GPU chart, they used a I7-3930K @ 4,8 Ghz
Probably to avoid the CPU Bottleneck during the GPU benchmark.
The fact that all High End GPUs don't achieve more than 62 minimum fps is IMHO a hint to a serversided fps cap.

Here's the link to the test, take also a look on the CPU chart:
http://gamegpu.ru/mm...e-test-gpu.html

tldr
An overclocked I7-3930K with a good cooling would be the best upgrade for MWO.

My calculation for a new rig with i7-4790K, new Mainboard, new Ram, and a watercooler is around 700 - 900 €uros.
It's a lot money, but you can cut costs elsewhere, like not buying the Clan Packages, Premium Time or Hero Mechs

More sensible is to overclock the Phenom II X4 BE 965.
It's a Black Edition, so it's possible to overclock it with the multiplier.
To overclock it you need eventually a better cooling and a new mainboard.
My Phenom II X4 sucks around 111 Watts at 3,4 Ghz, and my board is specified to maximal 125 Watts. While power usage isn't equal to heat, it's a good hint.

A good AM 3+ Board with up to 220 Watts costs around 200 €uros, and I plan to buy a new case at in autumn.
I'm not quit sure if I give the Phenom a new try with a new board an new cooling, or to switch to Intel.

[Smokeyjedi]

Alreech, on 15 June 2014 - 02:59 AM, said:

Your Bottleneck is MWO.

My Specs:
Phenom II X 4 BE 965
8 GB Ram
first a 5830, now a R9 280

I get a big improvement from upgrading the 5830 to a R9 280...
In Battlefield 4 and Crysis.
I didn't get any improvements on minimum FPS in MWO, regardless of the settings (Low, Medium, High...)

If you take a look on the CPU utilisation during a online game you will see that core 4 is at almost 80 - 90 %, while the other 3 cores are not higher utilized than 60%.
So the best upgrade for MWO is to switch to a modern Intel CPU with high CPU Boost.

The guys from http://gamegpu.ru/ did a test of MWO with different CPUs and GPUs.
According to the GPU chart, they used a I7-3930K @ 4,8 Ghz
Probably to avoid the CPU Bottleneck during the GPU benchmark.
The fact that all High End GPUs don't achieve more than 62 minimum fps is IMHO a hint to a serversided fps cap.

Here's the link to the test, take also a look on the CPU chart:
http://gamegpu.ru/mm...e-test-gpu.html

tldr
An overclocked I7-3930K with a good cooling would be the best upgrade for MWO.

My calculation for a new rig with i7-4790K, new Mainboard, new Ram, and a watercooler is around 700 - 900 €uros.
It's a lot money, but you can cut costs elsewhere, like not buying the Clan Packages, Premium Time or Hero Mechs

More sensible is to overclock the Phenom II X4 BE 965.
It's a Black Edition, so it's possible to overclock it with the multiplier.
To overclock it you need eventually a better cooling and a new mainboard.
My Phenom II X4 sucks around 111 Watts at 3,4 Ghz, and my board is specified to maximal 125 Watts. While power usage isn't equal to heat, it's a good hint.

A good AM 3+ Board with up to 220 Watts costs around 200 €uros, and I plan to buy a new case at in autumn.
I'm not quit sure if I give the Phenom a new try with a new board an new cooling, or to switch to Intel.

Mostly depends on your budget, If you can only swing about 300 for upgrade, buy solid 260$ GPU and 40$ coolermaster hyper 212............300$ would be very noticeable in any game, However having a much higher upgrade budget I would probably just go with a Z97 intel socket and rip an I7 4790K and I would totally buy at least a pair of GTX 770s http://www.zotac.com...mp-edition.html

[Teeboy]

Your bottleneck is your video card. Your CPU is fine and overclocking it to 4ghz from 3.4GHZ will not make any noticeable difference.
leave everything alone and just get a new video card. Buy used if you can't afford new.

[Hougham]

Your CPU is fine. You could over clock it if you wish but there really is no need. I have run MWO on a verity of AMD rigs and never had a problem. I am running on a Phenom II X6 1100T at the moment but am told the game is only optimised for 4 threads so it effectively becomes the same as what you have there.

This game is a little RAM hungry so 8gb is a must if your after turning everything up. So getting another 4gb is a good call but with out the graphics card to match up to you may not see the advantage.

The 5770 my benchmark only 10/20 % slower in many games then the 5830, but the 5830 is a real power house compared to the 5770 with a much more powerful shader unit and way more memory bandwidth that in some situations show vast differences in performance. I have a feeling MWO may be one of the games where this is so. I say this as I am using HD4870 that are old but still have good memory bandwidth and relatively good shader power and I appear to get better results then many with newer mid range cards..

But there is a lot of guess work going on with my reply so feel free to ignore.

[Smokeyjedi]

Teeboy, on 15 June 2014 - 05:36 AM, said:

Your bottleneck is your video card. Your CPU is fine and overclocking it to 4ghz from 3.4GHZ will not make any noticeable difference.
leave everything alone and just get a new video card. Buy used if you can't afford new.

You clearly haven't been here for the years required to know the quirks of MWO, And how wouldn't you notice the difference between a minimum frame of 10 vs 20???? and an average FPS that would be higher period.
but yes hes not going to go magically to 60FPS after simply OC that processor. His GPU will limit his max FPS.......with 128-bit gddr memory.

[ninjitsu]

Guys, the 965 is an old processor! It's weaker than the latest Intel i3 dual cores.... I'm not sure why everyone thinks it's so great.

[Uparmored Rickshaw]

ninjitsu, on 15 June 2014 - 08:28 AM, said:

Guys, the 965 is an old processor! It's weaker than the latest Intel i3 dual cores.... I'm not sure why everyone thinks it's so great.

Correct and my post still stands firm, outside of a complete overhaul.

[Hougham]

ninjitsu, on 15 June 2014 - 08:28 AM, said:

Guys, the 965 is an old processor! It's weaker than the latest Intel i3 dual cores.... I'm not sure why everyone thinks it's so great.

I don't think people think it's so great. As you say it is a old CPU. But the OP was asking what is the bottle neck in there PC. The simple fact is the CPU is the strongest part in there system.

[Uparmored Rickshaw]

Hougham, on 15 June 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:

I don't think people think it's so great. As you say it is a old CPU. But the OP was asking what is the bottle neck in there PC. The simple fact is the CPU is the strongest part in there system.

His CPU is anemic and from the Summer of 2009. Following my first post and adding an SSD would breathe new life into the rig until he is ready fully upgrade. Furthermore two of the components could be swapped into that new system.

[Odins Fist]

It's your "GPU: Powercolor Radeon HD 5770", that GPU is pretty dated..

Your CPU is a bit dated, but it handles single threaded apps better then the AMD-FX series CPUs.
I still have few Phenom II x4 965 CPUs running in rigs, and they are fine for MWO.

Your CPU is at 3.4 GHZ stock, it can handle a mild overclock to 3.7 on air, that might help a little, but your GPU is long in the tooth...

With that said, I'm not sure if I would put a new GPU in that rig, or put together a completely new system. Both options have the upside, and downside.. It's your call, but to tell you the truth, it's you GPU that is the biggest problem for you as far as MWO is concerned.

[Henchman 24]

WarGruf, on 14 June 2014 - 03:08 PM, said:

Sorry to tell you but I doubt you will see any improvement with just changing the ram...

I have an FX8350 @5Ghz with crossfired 7770's and STILL get dodgey Fps variations
I see changes from 60fps - 19fps during matches, I have upgraded everything apart from my 7770's. The game at the moment does not like AMD rigs at the moment, it used to but recently it has gone a bit sideways.

Just for comparison, here is my rig.
Cooler Master HAF XM case, 4x200mm Fans
Sabertooth FX990 R2.0
FX8350 @5Ghz under a Cooler Master NeptonXL 140mm Watercooler.
8Gb of Corsair DDR3 1600Mhz
250Gb Samsung Pro SSD
2x HD 7770 running at 1100Mhz Core - 1300Mhz Memory
800w Psu

60-19 Fps 1920x1080 (or any other resolution for that matter )

Hope we can get this fixed soon...

PGI still hasn't done any tweaking or even added code based support for either SLI or Crossfire. Your numbers stem from essentially running one gpu during game. Combine that with this engine not using much more than 4 cores to begin with and having the 8350, which does less per core than say an i5 series quad intel, and you know why you get the numbers you do in this game. I'm sure that setup rocks in other games however.