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[Livewyr]

Abrahms, on 18 June 2014 - 04:57 PM, said:

Forgive if I'm late to the QQ party here, but when I bought MC, I expected it to not be ******** worthless.

Do they really think people want to spend another $55+ when the $60 or more they already spent is deemed worthless?

Much wow. So bad.


edit: to be more specific - you can buy MC for real-dollars, but still not buy in-game items with it. This type of sale is a ploy to get those who already purchased MC for real-dollars to spend more money to get their clan nostalgia. When I bought founders, I never saw a warning that my real-dollars would be useless at purchasing in-game content until months after its release. Psshh, the MC purchase page should have a bright, yellow/red warning telling you that MC cannot be used to buy new mechs.

Oh, WB Abrahms.

I would like to direct your attention to the release schedule:
Currency for pre-order to be delivered at release of content.
MC for purchasing content before it is available for economy-currency. (1 month before you can buy mechs with Cbills, you can buy them with MC.)

It is the mid-grade of acquiring things first.

Edited by Livewyr, 18 June 2014 - 07:44 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Abrahms, on 18 June 2014 - 04:57 PM, said:

Forgive if I'm late to the QQ party here, but when I bought MC, I expected it to not be ******** worthless.

Do they really think people want to spend another $55+ when the $60 or more they already spent is deemed worthless?

Much wow. So bad.


edit: to be more specific - you can buy MC for real-dollars, but still not buy in-game items with it. This type of sale is a ploy to get those who already purchased MC for real-dollars to spend more money to get their clan nostalgia. When I bought founders, I never saw a warning that my real-dollars would be useless at purchasing in-game content until months after its release. Psshh, the MC purchase page should have a bright, yellow/red warning telling you that MC cannot be used to buy new mechs.

When you read the Clan Mech Pack Offer and the FAQ, did they list, ANYWHERE an MC price for them?

Only place it has been mentioned is on the future rollout/release schedule.

So the only failure here is yours for not doing your research.

[TheCaptainJZ]

Alright Abrahms, I think you've made your point clear and I can sympathize with it.
I don't think they will give you any kind of refund though. They cut off refund for founders packs a very long time ago, and since it sounds like you haven't bought the MC recently, they will likely not refund that either.
There are lots of things you can spend your MC on if you so choose, or you can wait a few months to buy the clan mechs. Are they OP? Maybe a little, but not like in lore. Also, they have build restrictions. I haven't been able to play with them yet but the general consensus on here is that the balance is surprisingly decent. I encourage you to play for some time before you make up your mind based on paper stats (the matchmaker would probably contribute to more unbalanced matches more than clan mechs do).

[Tripzter]

Been keeping my dollars in my bank account. Works amazing.

[Abrahms]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 June 2014 - 07:38 PM, said:

When you read the Clan Mech Pack Offer and the FAQ, did they list, ANYWHERE an MC price for them?

Only place it has been mentioned is on the future rollout/release schedule.

So the only failure here is yours for not doing your research.

1) info not at MC purchase page

2) could buy MC prior to clan stuff, while being told that MC can be used to buy mechs

3) developers have broken many promises over the last 2 years regardless, in areas unrelated to monetary issues

Edited by Abrahms, 18 June 2014 - 07:42 PM.

[Sparks Murphey]

Abrahms, on 18 June 2014 - 06:12 PM, said:

that is not present for when I bought my MC, nor is it there clearly for a current MC purchase

Gee, they didn't mention that you wouldn't be able to spend MC to pre-order 'Mechs when you bought your Founders pack? How strange...

...well, actually, not. If you want to go that route, let's look at what you COULD buy with MC. At the opening of closed beta, you could buy a single Atlas variant, a Jenner variant, a Catapult variant, and a Hunchback variant. We also saw a few more variants and chassis added as time went by, and camo schemes, paintjobs and cockpit item. At the time, Paul was well known for his phrase "You're still not getting your freakin' Mad Cat". The notion that you could have access to 'Mechs that other players didn't yet have was not yet introduced, and wouldn't be until the Phoenix packs went live, based on the model of the Founders packs that also weren't purchased with MC.

Just to point that out again, MC existed at the time the Founders packs went on sale. You could buy it if you wanted, though most people didn't at the time since they weren't sure what they were getting. What it couldn't buy, though, was a Founders Pack. The Clans were a distant dream. So now, several years later, you want to fly in the face of what you knew, expecting that your MC would buy you a product you didn't know would exist in a transaction that had never been supported before?

Dream on.

[Dracol]

Abrahms, on 18 June 2014 - 07:35 PM, said:

Especially when I already paid $60.

You never responed... was it $60 spent during the MC sales in the assumption that you would be able to buy clan mechs right away for MC?
If that is the case, you have to wait to use your sale bought MC. Just like the phoenix release.

Cause I highly doubt you dropped 60 just recently instead of buying a clan pack......

Edited by Dracol, 18 June 2014 - 07:47 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Abrahms, on 18 June 2014 - 07:42 PM, said:

1) info not at MC purchase page

2) could buy MC prior to clan stuff, while being told that MC can be used to buy mechs

3) developers have broken many promises over the last 2 years regardless, in areas unrelated to monetary issues

So no, you did not bother to read the CLAN ORDER INFO page or the FAQ. Enough said.

BTW; perceived broken promises over the last 2 years have nothing to do with your own failure here. In fact, the mere fact you are now trying to obfuscate things with secondary stuff shows you know you are wrong, and have no argument.

Request a refund for your MC from support. Then man up, or go away.

[TheCaptainJZ]

I don't think you can hold it against PGI to warn you 2 years ago what you would and would not be able to buy with MC since they didn't know themselves what they were going to do in the future. Heck, they didn't even know if they'd still be here 2 years later.

[Wolfways]

MischiefSC, on 18 June 2014 - 05:45 PM, said:

No, his concerns are legit. You buy MC but if you want Clan mechs and gear... you have to buy it with cash, separate, or wait several months like the peasants.

Not really.
If you buy the clan mechs now, with cash, then you get to use them early.
If you buy them later with MC you get them when they are supposed to be "released" (and hopefully after bugs/balance have had time to be sorted).
If you buy them with C-Bills you, and the peasants (including me), have to wait.

I understand that MC = real cash, but why buy MC that you don't need? If you only buy what you need then you might have real cash to buy "early" stuff.

[oneproduct]

I don't see how you can all be against Abrahms and just be okay with this. The point is at this point in the game, NOTHING should be being sold for real money. Outside of the founder's packages where MC was first being established, everything should be being sold for MC. You want to price that mech at $X? Sell it for $X worth of MC instead.

How would you feel if when Microsoft was still using Microsoft Points that they suddenly decided to sell certain games for real money only? It would be totally absurd and everyone would be up in arms.

Also, please stop quoting Phoenix packages and the clan release schedule against him. Neither of those things existed when he purchased his MC.

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I understand that MC = real cash, but why buy MC that you don't need? If you only buy what you need then you might have real cash to buy "early" stuff.

Because typically when you buy larger quantities of it you get a better rate. That's the way they get you to spend more money and your reward for doing so. Having that MC then not be usable to purchase what you want is what ruins it and why Abrahms is justifiably upset.

Edited by oneproduct, 18 June 2014 - 07:55 PM.

[Bobby Blast]

Holy **** guys this thread made my day.

[TB Freelancer]

All I see is a founder who's never been 'away', who's been active on the forums since beta and is now crying sour grapes AFTER seeing how the clan mechs turned out knowing full well what the deal was beforehand.

The argument is stupid, if he expects us to believe he didn't realize this he's even more stupid. This thread is stupid....

....really effin stupid.

[Nikkoru]

Wait, I'm confused, I thought we could still buy the clan packages. Am I wrong?

[Abrahms]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 June 2014 - 07:47 PM, said:

So no, you did not bother to read the CLAN ORDER INFO page or the FAQ. Enough said.

BTW; perceived broken promises over the last 2 years have nothing to do with your own failure here. In fact, the mere fact you are now trying to obfuscate things with secondary stuff shows you know you are wrong, and have no argument.

Request a refund for your MC from support. Then man up, or go away.

perceived broken promises?

"we wont do X"

6 months later, they do X... lol

clan order info page was also created when?

regardless, it should be at the MC purchase page... but they dont want it there, obviously

Also, I dont think that 2 years ago, founders expected their MC to rot away because it couldnt ever be spent on the new, latest releases

[cSand]

I think there's only one founder here that thinks that TBH

[Abrahms]

TheCaptainJZ, on 18 June 2014 - 07:48 PM, said:

I don't think you can hold it against PGI to warn you 2 years ago what you would and would not be able to buy with MC since they didn't know themselves what they were going to do in the future. Heck, they didn't even know if they'd still be here 2 years later.

I also didnt expect their sale of MC, and all their promoting and promises, to fall so vastly short either

they really wanted to sell MC

now, MC really has very limited use for new content

why? because they want you to buy MC, then not use it and spend more money on the new stuff you cant buy with the point you already bought

genius!

Edited by Abrahms, 18 June 2014 - 08:03 PM.

[Abrahms]

TB Freelancer, on 18 June 2014 - 07:55 PM, said:

All I see is a founder who's never been 'away', who's been active on the forums since beta and is now crying sour grapes AFTER seeing how the clan mechs turned out knowing full well what the deal was beforehand.

The argument is stupid, if he expects us to believe he didn't realize this he's even more stupid. This thread is stupid....

....really effin stupid.

nah, I had to install 53 patches, and havent been on here in a few months

I wondered if community warfare was released after two years, so I checked in to see... nope

but clan mechs were

annnnnd it was a cash grab, as usual, with very little substance - and all the MC I bought with real dollars couldnt be used because they wanted separate real dollars, different from what I already purchased

I was expected to see mechs in the mechbay shop... but nope, only packages for non-MC dollars

I understand separated free from paid.... but dang, so low to separate paid from paid in an effort to devalue MC which was already paid for because it cant be used

[Sandpit]

*waves*
0, o

[cSand]

I would honestly just tell support what your deal is, and try to get them to exchange what you spent for a clan package or something