556 replies to this topic

[Kiiyor]

FupDup, on 18 June 2014 - 10:32 PM, said:

Assuming the Clanner doesn't use stock armor, their armor capacity is pretty much identical to IS mechs. The only issues for survivabililty are speed, hitboxes, and/or staring down the enemy due to DoT weapons. Most of the bunch seem to have pretty decent hitboxes, but none of them are "epic" tier like the Shadow Hawk.

I think the Crow is pretty good - not amazing, but pretty good. The torsos seem well allocated and the arms and legs are both fairly svelte, with the added bonus being that the arms do a surprisingly good job in profile of protecting the torsos if you're 5D'ing.

It could also be that the torso twist range and speed are downright amazing though, allowing the easy spread of incoming damage.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Kiiyor, on 19 June 2014 - 12:39 AM, said:

I think the Crow is pretty good - not amazing, but pretty good. The torsos seem well allocated and the arms and legs are both fairly svelte, with the added bonus being that the arms do a surprisingly good job in profile of protecting the torsos if you're 5D'ing.

It could also be that the torso twist range and speed are downright amazing though, allowing the easy spread of incoming damage.

Stormcrow is a surprisingly small frontal target. Its kinda wide but overall, shooting it provides a rather skinny profile for some reason. Unlike a Nova, its wide and tall...easy to hit.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

INKBALL, on 18 June 2014 - 06:37 PM, said:

Hi guys,

first, i did pay to play, just to not have to grind 12 mechs to get started (i bought phœnix after a month in mwo or so), and now i have 6-7 mechs +30% c-bills. I then felt that i did spend enough on the game, at least for now (and at least enough for a freegame).

Since the "invasion" , i saw that 75%+ did buy the 240$ package, great for you. But, not a second the game is even kinda close to have a tiny chance of being balanced. C-Mechs are faster/stonger/and have more weps/range/ ammo per ton.

All this to say that i'm taking a break, i've had enough with PGI, the masters of mech designs who are using +/- 1% of their time balancing the game or improving the game play... At least, you guys have gold mechs...

I see few ways to fix the problem:
-Cross techs (clan weps on IS (like mw4)).
-Nerfing clans (2 secs beam lasting laser, slower stream of missiles, x3heat on all weps balistic weps, xl mech dies when a side dies).
-F*ck table top and change all the balance system.
-Playing/balancing with ''points'' like on tabletop. So you could fight 4ISand8Cmech against 1IS and 10clans, reaching a certain balance (in tons/weps/ect).
-or simplier, IS teams =12members, Clan teams=8members. so, we could have 12v12,8v12,8v8.


Until some big ChangeLogs, you wont see me much. And yes, im kinda mad.

HA...HAHAHA.

My Hunchback 4G laughs at your misfortune.

Frankly I keep coring Clan Mechs with that one AC20... it's odd how the Hunchie get's ignored so much, you'd think people would focus me down, but they're all too worried about the Dire Whale behind me.

[Gambino87]

pwnface, on 18 June 2014 - 11:32 PM, said:

Clans aren't OP. No armor spider beats 100t dire wolf in 1v1.

QFT! Thanks for that video lol

[Gattsus]

ThunderMax, on 18 June 2014 - 06:58 PM, said:

Cool it down with hatefulness. It is very possible to voice your opinion without being rude.

Although there have been rocky roads and PGI has fumbled the ball several times, I do appreciate their effort and I'm impressed with the amount of work they put into all the new material. I for one sincerely hope that with the Clan invasion behind us they can focus more of their developers on new maps and Community Warfare. I feel like they still have a shot to redeem themselves to some of the unhappy community.

You say they are unbalanced, for example try building a dual Gauss sniper build with a Clan mech...the Jaggermech will walk all over it as far as whole package goes. The Clan mechs have extreme weapon customization but they trade that off with more heat, locked engines, and locked structural changes.

^dis

[Vanguard319]

(drinks deep of the delicious tears)
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Wait, you were being serious? I'm sorry, after all the instances on the forums about clan mechs being DOA, I couldn't help myself.

As it is the Inner Sphere has advantages in pinpoint weaponry, and the fact they have mechs which can break 100 kph without speed tweak. You can also place heavier weapons on your mechs due to being able to alter your available tonnage more easily. (The only way a clan mech can get more tonnage is to drop armor, and most people do the opposite.) Virtually all our weapons are DoT as well except for the Gauss, and the neutered CERPPC, then you have the long reload times on CSSRM 6s (seven seconds is just too long to be effective IMO)

Clans win the DPS contest, but most builds can't last long due to heavy ammo dependance. They feel right where they should be for the most part. Going back to laughing now.

[Kiiyor]

Flash Frame, on 19 June 2014 - 12:45 AM, said:

HA...HAHAHA.

My Hunchback 4G laughs at your misfortune.

Frankly I keep coring Clan Mechs with that one AC20... it's odd how the Hunchie get's ignored so much, you'd think people would focus me down, but they're all too worried about the Dire Whale behind me.

Try the 4SP, with some SRM goodness........

[DYSEQTA]

Either the OP is stoned....or the OP is stoned.

[Nova Latios Storm]

Clan mechs are NOT! Over powerd. You can't change anything but the armmor and weapons, the targating computer dose nothing and clan active probe is pointless too.

If you don't like the op clan mechs. Buy one for yourself and join in the fun.

[Mordin Ashe]

Kiiyor, on 19 June 2014 - 01:11 AM, said:

Try the 4SP, with some SRM goodness........

A perfect Mech, with 6xML and 2xSRM6 it is deadly yet often simply ignored. Seriously, why noone fires at something that can core anything Clans have in two alphas?

[Phashe]

CHH Badkarma, on 18 June 2014 - 07:08 PM, said:

Damn, guess we lost yet another troll....

ROFL. Soooooo well put.

[JakeEDogge]

T Decker, on 18 June 2014 - 07:06 PM, said:

Something else to think about: Those who didn't buy mechs are likely teenagers who can't afford them, but can spend 10 hours a day playing, 7 days per week. Those of us who DID shell out the money are those who get 3 to 6 hours per week to play. We can't afford the grind, but we have jobs. One day, hopefully those who cry foul will have jobs too.

And then there are those of us who love Battletech but wont spend money cause they're pissed off at the way PGI are dveloping the game. Not that I mean to suggest I have any beef with guys buying gold mechs, good on them. Obviously PGI needs the money after loosing $5 million a while back.
Anyway, just one question. How would you suggest I develope my Stalker 4N to have any chance versus a Madcat (yes yes, it's a Timberwolf but I'm I.S. aint I) with 2 LPulse, 4 MPulse and 4 SSRM 6s? My first build was 2 LPulse, 4 MPulse and 2 SSRM 2s but clearly that's just a joke compared to the Madcat. So I'm up for suggestions as it must be possible to balance the two right?
Probably the REALLY sad thing is Clan mech jocks claiming Clan mechs AREN'T OP. Which means they ARENT lore or even close to it. If they suck that badly the whole theory of one Clan mech being a match for two I.S. mechs is a lie.... tho then again they never were on the table top either so I guess......

Edited by JakeEDogge, 20 June 2014 - 12:12 AM.

[LordKnightFandragon]

JakeEDogge, on 19 June 2014 - 01:53 AM, said:

And then there are those of us who love Battletech but wont spend money cause they're pissed off at the way Gaijin are dveloping the game. Not that I mean to suggest I have any beef with guys buying gold mechs, good on them. Obviously Gaijin needs the money after loosing $5 million dollar a while back.
Anyway, just one question. How would you suggest I develope my Stalker 4N to have any chance versus a Madcat (yes yes, it's a Timberwolf but I'm I.S. aint I) with 2 LPulse, 4 MPulse and 4 SSRM 6s? My first build was 2 LPulse, 4 MPulse and 2 SSRM 2s but clearly thats just a joke compared to the Madcat. So I'm up for suggestions as it must be possible to balance the two right?

Gaijin? You just saying PGI sucks as bad as Gaijin, or you legit dont realize its PGI making this game.

But Gaijin did pretty much make WT SUCK.

[o0Marduk0o]

INKBALL, on 18 June 2014 - 06:37 PM, said:

Until some big ChangeLogs, you wont see me much. And yes, im kinda mad.

Who cares?

[Max Payn]

@Flash Frame

... Dire Whale.... ... sry just got to wipe the tears away.....

[JudgeDeathCZ]

only ppl who do not play 2xPPC+2(U)AC5 CTF/VTR or HGN can say Clan mechs are OP

I do not know if OP is dumb or just do not know how to play this game xD

[Cavendish]

I must also belong to the blind section of the players then.

And honestly, at least try to read up some on how clan systems work before you complain. You suggest longer burns for clan beams for example, and that is already in, the CLRMs fire in a stream already unlike the IS bunch and are waaay easier for AMS to deal with and so on.

The current issue is that the IS pilots do not know how to deal with the Clan mechs. If you see an Atlas everybody and his dog knows that the right side torso should go first and that it is not much of a threat, if you see a Timberwolf things are not so clear yet.

[tm10067]

So will anyone use these "OP" clanmechs in tournaments? Or clansmen will proudly run their polished dragonslayers, 3D-phracts, hawks and jenners?

[Kiiyor]

tm10067, on 19 June 2014 - 02:09 AM, said:

So will anyone use these "OP" clanmechs in tournaments? Or clansmen will proudly run their polished dragonslayers, 3D-phracts, hawks and jenners?

All still very dangerous. I'm interested in watching the meta develop.

[ReXspec]

>Clans OP

Yeah... I pretty much stopped reading right there.

Clans are supposed to be OP, chucklenuts.

If you are a good pilot, you will r*pe face with a Clan 'mech.

If you are a bad pilot, you are little more then food for those who CAN use the tech.

If you can't accept that, GTFO OF MY MECHWARRIOR. >:<

Edited by ReXspec, 19 June 2014 - 03:22 AM.