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#41 CHH Badkarma

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 07:49 PM

View PostLivewyr, on 18 June 2014 - 07:46 PM, said:

Give clans dynamic slots, structure/armor/engine upgrade options and lower arm actuators..

Then we can discuss OP.


And real double heat sinks. Not 1.4 heat sinks. Not to memtion UAC 20s that actually do 20 points of damager PER ROUND. Then you can pine OP OP
Ohhhhh noooo the huge manatee

Edited by CHH Badkarma, 18 June 2014 - 07:50 PM.


#42 Aresye

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 07:50 PM

View PostAbrahms, on 18 June 2014 - 07:16 PM, said:

I went through the stats

Clan is indeed OP

if the heat/dmg stats are the same, clan weighs less and takes less space

if the heat is higher, range and damage are higher while space is less

clan is quite the advantage right now, and 9/10 it overshadows the IS variant in most scenarios.


I wish people would realize that by stats, yes Clans are indeed OP.

And I wish people would play Clan mechs, so they can see just how PGI made it so those OP stats were balanced.

#43 Primetimex

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 07:55 PM

Can't the OP and other "Clan is P2W / overpowered" crowd just be happy that we finally have a Mechwarrior game that we can play again and have another chance to pilot our favourite clan mechs in 2012-onwards instead of being stuck with the ancient MW4?

Yes MW:0 right now is little more than deathmatches but you have to hand it to PGI - the mechs are well articulated, textured and well drawn, the IS looks like old mechs and the Clans they look bad ass tech they were supposed to be.

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:00 PM

View PostAresye, on 18 June 2014 - 07:50 PM, said:


I wish people would realize that by stats, yes Clans are indeed OP.

And I wish people would play Clan mechs, so they can see just how PGI made it so those OP stats were balanced.


He can't....


They're not for sale for MC!!!



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#45 Diego Angelus

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:01 PM

View PostT Decker, on 18 June 2014 - 07:06 PM, said:

Um... No.

Clan mechs are slower, and carry less armor.

The only reason everyone is screaming foul (and why everyone seems to be running Clan tech) is because it's NEW. Every time a new mech pack or new chassis arrives, everyone and their grandma runs them like crazy. In two weeks, numbers will go down a bit. In 4 weeks, it'll be probably 50/50 Clan/I.S.

Something else to think about: Those who didn't buy mechs are likely teenagers who can't afford them, but can spend 10 hours a day playing, 7 days per week. Those of us who DID shell out the money are those who get 3 to 6 hours per week to play. We can't afford the grind, but we have jobs. One day, hopefully those who cry foul will have jobs too.

Um... No.

Clan mechs are slower, and carry less armor.

The only reason everyone is screaming foul (and why everyone seems to be running Clan tech) is because it's NEW. Every time a new mech pack or new chassis arrives, everyone and their grandma runs them like crazy. In two weeks, numbers will go down a bit. In 4 weeks, it'll be probably 50/50 Clan/I.S.

Something else to think about: Those who didn't buy mechs are likely teenagers who can't afford them, but can spend 10 hours a day playing, 7 days per week. Those of us who DID shell out the money are those who get 3 to 6 hours per week to play. We can't afford the grind, but we have jobs. One day, hopefully those who cry foul will have jobs too.


I agree that there are many of them because they are new but you are forgeting that clan mechs are going to be released in long perioid so you are going to see big spike of clan mechs as they are released.

Here something for you to think about I'm not a teeneger and I have full time job and I didn't (and never will) pay for content that should be availabe for everyone I wouldn't even mind this if prices and other vital stuff for the game were free, and on top of that grind in unbearable. It is just not fun when you can't play around with mechs hell I even need to buy few mechs and spend time grinding exp just be able to pilot one I want and that is just too much time grindnig and not enjoying playing.

#46 Aresye

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:22 PM

View PostDiego Angelus, on 18 June 2014 - 08:01 PM, said:

Here something for you to think about I'm not a teeneger and I have full time job and I didn't (and never will) pay for content that should be availabe for everyone I wouldn't even mind this if prices and other vital stuff for the game were free, and on top of that grind in unbearable. It is just not fun when you can't play around with mechs hell I even need to buy few mechs and spend time grinding exp just be able to pilot one I want and that is just too much time grindnig and not enjoying playing.


And if everybody shared the same mindset, this game would have never happened in the first place.

I paid for a founders pack in order to get access to the Closed Beta. Is that unfair to you? Is it unfair to give some players an incentive to help support the game?

This is not a game for charitable donations. They need to make money like every other game, and the best way to make money is to allow certain perks for paying customers.

Personally, I think it would be massively unfair to tell a paying customer, "Yeah those things you bought for $240? We're gonna give them to the other players for free at the same time, that cool bro?"

#47 Bagheera

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:30 PM

Wait, just last night someone was in game crying about how OP the IS mechs were and how he hoped the IS got nerfed!

:P

#48 Aresye

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:37 PM

So both sides are arguing about the other being OP?

Think I remember Paul saying something like that's the perfect indication of balance :P

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:45 PM

View PostBagheera, on 18 June 2014 - 08:30 PM, said:

Wait, just last night someone was in game crying about how OP the IS mechs were and how he hoped the IS got nerfed!

:P


There's no shortage of panicky, reactionary players who don't think.

#50 Tezcatli

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 09:04 PM

Has anyone recorded a few private matches between IS and Clans? I would like to see that.

#51 Tripzter

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 09:23 PM

I could care less about the mechs, i just want the darn yellow hud GONE!!!

Edited by Tripzter, 18 June 2014 - 09:23 PM.


#52 Elkfire

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 09:28 PM

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 09:28 PM

View PostTezcatli, on 18 June 2014 - 09:04 PM, said:

Has anyone recorded a few private matches between IS and Clans? I would like to see that.


I haven't yet, but have played quite a few matches with good players. I'm actually quite impressed with how well balanced clan mechs are in the game. I'm actually hoping PGI holds off a few weeks before doing any big balance adjustments to clan mechs as players haven't had a chance to really exploit any advantage yet.

I've been hopping between IS and Clan mechs, and the clan mechs don't really feel out of balance at all. They all suffer from heat management, giving IS mechs an actual DPS advantage in some situations. The lighter clan mechs are better support mechs than their IS cousins, but are out-classed by IS mechs in every other way.

#54 HellJumper

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 09:41 PM

ummm OP you do know that even in lore clan mechs were BETTER THAN IS MECHS??

so basically you are complaining that the clan mechs are better than IS mechs in MWO as well??

ummm makes no sense to me atleast...

and no they are not overpowered or anything...you just need to learn to play against these news mechs thats all.... they are mainly about dishing out max amount of damage in less amount of time... (atleast thats how i have come to know them)

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 09:45 PM

View PostBagheera, on 18 June 2014 - 08:30 PM, said:

Wait, just last night someone was in game crying about how OP the IS mechs were and how he hoped the IS got nerfed!

:P



and i pray it stays like that :P

#56 Elizander

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:04 PM

View PostHellJumper, on 18 June 2014 - 09:41 PM, said:

ummm OP you do know that even in lore clan mechs were BETTER THAN IS MECHS??

so basically you are complaining that the clan mechs are better than IS mechs in MWO as well??

ummm makes no sense to me atleast...

and no they are not overpowered or anything...you just need to learn to play against these news mechs thats all.... they are mainly about dishing out max amount of damage in less amount of time... (atleast thats how i have come to know them)


Well, at least in pugland, I shoot them like I shot everything else. The only difference I notice when fighting them is that I'm yellow and orange all over my mech after the fight rather than red in one area.

#57 LordKnightFandragon

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:12 PM

Clans might be OP, but nothing is still as OP as AC20s on the IS mechs or GR/PPC dual shot

I gotta say, while I hate Burstfire and it totally nullifies me ever putting ACs on my mechs, I gotta say, it works in keeping ACs from being blatantly OP and fun wrecking being 2 shot in my Warhawk by them....

Just had a Jager 40 1 shot my torso off....

Perhaps THAT is what was so fun about PTS, the TTK wasnt OHK Assault mechs...

#58 Zervziel

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:25 PM

If I'm blind, then how come I can see the OP is full of it?

#59 MischiefSC

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:26 PM

My Atlas is still way tougher than a Timber Wolf.

#60 Samziel

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:28 PM

How I feel is that the only clan mech that is OP is the Timberwolf. It has the speed of a medium, firepower of an assault and they still gave it jumpjets!

But other than that, no clan mech is really OP:
  • Stormcrow would have been the best medium if it would have jumpjets, but instead I feel it turned out like a Kintaro with a single ballistic omnipod (the worst IS 55 tonner that gets outclassed by everyone else)
  • Warhawk I don't really know, but facing one doesn't feel wrong either (what I mean it's not like facing an Atlas or Direwolf).
  • Direwolf moves as fast as a Titanic after hitting the iceberg.
  • Summoner can't really mount too much weapons.
  • Nova... Well my favourite of my pack but aside from 12 medium or smaller lasers it can't really mount alot of heavy weapons
  • Adder aka the worst mech of the clan package, does nothing than missileboating better than a Kitfox (+the hardwired flamer)
  • Kitfox, the best light of the clans, but like Adder (and Direwolf), slow as f*ck.
So, not many clan mechs are actually OP, and their weapons have their downsides in comparison to IS.

(Well, the bad thing is that there is tons of Timberwolves out there).

Edited by Samziel, 18 June 2014 - 10:28 PM.






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