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[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Jade Turkeys and Liao. Just yuck to both.

[IllCaesar]

Liao and Blakists. Obvious reasons are obvious.

Kurita gets a dishonourable mention for committing the single greatest war crime in the history of humanity. I mean, we all have our dirty laundry - a list of House Steiner's misdeeds would make the Lannisters blush, but outdoing the Holocaust?

[Mech42Ace]

MarsAtlas, on 06 September 2014 - 06:37 PM, said:

Liao and Blakists. Obvious reasons are obvious.

Kurita gets a dishonourable mention for committing the single greatest war crime in the history of humanity. I mean, we all have our dirty laundry - a list of House Steiner's misdeeds would make the Lannisters blush, but outdoing the Holocaust?

Why what'd we do? What are we chopped liver or something!?

[Lunatic_Asylum]

Liao and Kurita, of course.

[IllCaesar]

Mech42Ace, on 07 September 2014 - 06:46 PM, said:

Why what'd we do? What are we chopped liver or something!?

http://www.sarna.net...ntares_Massacre

I'd give House Kurita some slack if the guy responsible saw some retaliation from within the faction. Take it from House Steiner, there's a point where you gotta draw a line in the sand when your leader is doing something horrific worthy of betrayal - like underpaying you

[Mech42Ace]

Dang I stand corrected. 52 million people. Wow. Well, all I can say not to get beheaded myself is Once a Kuritan always a Kuritan.

[ice trey]

Well, two factions. Both parts of the fedcom. Steiner and Davion.

Davion is more fluff-based, In a setting that is meant to be shades of grey, the Davions seem to be suspiciously unable to do any wrong. In spite of starting nearly every war in the inner sphere, and having a hand in just about everything, they seem to be surprisingly lacking in negative aspects. To me, the white-hat goodguy in itself isn't bad as an individual superhero, but when it comes to politics and an entire nation, things tend to get grey-shifted pretty quickly. Even the most antagonistic character from the faction is shown to be a pawn of a rival nation.

To me, a white-hat "Good guy" faction like the Fedsuns are too off-putting and unrealistic. Also the (We swear we're not) AMERICA **** YEAH! overtones to them reeks of catering to 12 year olds.

For Steiner, it's from a gameplay perspective. Thumbs up to Steiner players who bring out the lights and mediums. Hell, even the heavies are welcome on the field in moderation. Unfortunately, Steiner ends up attracting players who want to continue the stereotype, and take nothing but Assaults and 70t+ heavies. The Wall of steel isn't so bad in and of itself, but the GAUSS wall of steel, on the other hand, is the grouping of as many large, Gauss bearing mechs into an area and firing so many gauss rifles that you end up losing one or two mechs to errant gauss rifle hits seemingly every turn. The tactic itself isn't so much the problem as that the Battle Value system as it is puts very little cost on carrying long ranged headcapping weapons like the Gauss Rifle and Heavy Gauss Rifle, and a whole lot of cost towards the kinds of things that could counter these weapons, like high speed 'mechs, C3 networks, Etc. Worse, is that the logical step to fighting clustered-together-immobile targets would be to use artillery, but artillery is now in the Advanced Rules, meaning you're opening a potential powderkeg of bickering about what rules the game will use, rather than the as-is aspect of Total Warfare's Tournament rules.

The worst part between the two factions is excessive TRO love. in 3039, things were pretty OK, but from pretty much TRO 3055 on, the FedComhave been systematically getting all the best possible toys. While not optimized, they always managed to be intentionally made better than anything at the disposal of Dracs, Cappies, or Leaguers. This is especially so in TRO 3058, where a sudden glut of Star League mechs bearing dual and triple gauss rifles are released, most of which just so happen to plop into FedCom hands, specifically. While I have heard that Fedsuns players especially have griped about their recent toys in TRO 3145, many players from other factions would be glad to have something like them on their rosters. Further, there's going to need to be a LOT more era power creep before any Free Worlds 'mech can compare to a Devastator or Thunder Hawk.

[Mech42Ace]

America $?!* yeah commen' to save the mother lovin' day know! 'Merica ?!%* yeah commen' in to defend the European nations...

Any ways yeah I agree the Davions can do Almost NO wrong in battletech

[Sadistic Savior]

Mech42Ace, on 25 June 2014 - 08:37 PM, said:

Which faction do you hate/loathe the most, and why?

Personally I would choose Steiner because THEY ARE the interspere variant of the raiders and THEY cheat

Liao, because they are stereotypical terrorists and kind of boring.

Smoke Jaguars, because they are ***holes. They are not clever or skilled or cunning, they are just aggressive and cruel.

Fire Mandrills because their ideology is very unclanlike and chaotic.

MarsAtlas, on 06 September 2014 - 06:37 PM, said:

Liao and Blakists. Obvious reasons are obvious.

Blakists, definitely. I should amend my list. They are more annoying and obnoxious than any other faction in BT lore.

[kosmos1214]

well WOB is pretty much the only real "bad guys" bt ever had and even they have there redeaming aspects or so im told

[Mech42Ace]

I think form what I know the WOB is the bad guy, where are there redeeming aspects? I'm not sure.

[HlynkaCG]

Clans in general because despite the fact they're basically Space-Fascists with the worst aspects of the old Asian caste structures thrown in for flavor. there is still no shortage of tryhard fan-bois who will tell you that Clanners are the best thing since sliced bread.

Really the only ones worth a damn are the Ghost bears and that only because thier founding principal was telling the "Great" general Kerensky to stick his messed up dystopian ideals where the sun don't shine,

[Bespoke Cheese Cake]

Word of Blake has to be the worst. Even factions like Smoke Jag are comparitivly benign.

[Mech42Ace]

MarsAtlas, on 08 September 2014 - 05:27 PM, said:

http://www.sarna.net...ntares_Massacre

I'd give House Kurita some slack if the guy responsible saw some retaliation from within the faction. Take it from House Steiner, there's a point where you gotta draw a line in the sand when your leader is doing something horrific worthy of betrayal - like underpaying you

Wait what? Are you hinting that great leader underpays us? How did a steiner get ahold of this information nation carefully hidden by the ISF's director himself?

Edited by Mech42Ace, 06 October 2014 - 02:44 PM.

[Kargush]

WoB. If you need me to tell you why, we'll be here until the end times as I list the reasons. Suffice to say, they're worse than even Amaris.

[Logan Hawke]

Pretty much every faction in this setting is morally reprehensible in some way thanks to writers sniffing around the grim dark watering hole half the time (as opposed to all the time and then some for WH40K )

However, pretty much every faction also has positive aspects (whether political, social, economical, whatever), except for the mistakes. (AKA the 'hurdur we're the bad guys!' factions).

So I don't really hate any of them (except for Steiner but that's mostly personal reasons), and the only one I like is the Periphery, mostly because of the variety.

Edited by Logan Hawke, 14 October 2014 - 11:32 AM.

[Logan Hawke]

Marack Drock, on 14 October 2014 - 11:01 AM, said:

Just to let you know... Mercenaries are worse. They would murder their own mother in the BT universe for 10 C-bills.

Mercenaries in the BT universe run the gamut from what you said and worse to ones that only take jobs they morally agree with or even do things for free, just because it's right.

Of course, clanner scum wouldn't know anything about that, would they?

[Mech42Ace]

Marack Drock, on 14 October 2014 - 01:17 PM, said:

Should I just play the intro to MW2 Mercs? You know where rather than wait 10 seconds for their ally to get on they decide just go and they can die.


Wolf's Dragoons ring a bell?

At least we have a set of ethics in the Warden Clans. Also Clan Wolf had the lowest death rate in the entirety of the Clan Wars (including the IS people they got). Also if I recall there is never once accept on a few occasions any time when Mercenaries would stay with their employers in a last stand rather than escape. Never. Doesn't happen. Maybe in MWO where we have Moral people it will but in Lore never. Grey Death Legion is one of the only exceptions when they defended a mech factory losing almost ALL of their units and eventually died out an became the security forces.

Clan Wolf and Clan Ghost Bear are actually very renowned for their ethical treatment of people. Clan Wolf won half its worlds without much of any fight or death, and after GB captured Rasalhague they LITERALLY let them have their own Government and nothing of their life really changed even after the formation of the Rasalhague Dominion.

I think I found another person basing their entire Clan bias off of CSJ and CJF who are known killers and adamant Crusaders to extreme levels. But that is only 2 out of 17 Clans (by this time). Most Clans are Warden or mix and have no desire to be massacring people like popular belief. CSJ are the only ones who really did and it was still smaller than a certain Kentaries Massacre that happened. Or the Gulag Massacre on Carvor V. All of which were IS massacres.

In reality the Inner Sphere has created the greatest atrocities in BT especially with the coming of WoB (Inner Sphere). You call us scum and yet... Word of Blake is your fault and was the biggest massacre in the history of the series, and the next largest massacres were all by IS factions. Clans (in terms of casualty rates) seem to have the most value for Human life and loyalty.

Anyways don't call me scum. Clan Wolf barely did anything to the Inner Sphere and spent its time trying to end the Invasion, which is more than I can say for your factions during the Succession Wars (no one tried ending those).

Jeez dude, calm down, you have a point, but these people are just stating their opinions.

[Tynan]

They're pretty much all ********, why differentiate? It's like asking "which country was the most monstrous in medieval Europe?" SPOILER ALERT: it's all of them (especially the Thirty Years' War, but that's hardly alone)

And as for Davion, even aside from the fourth succession war, what they did to the Taurians is unconscionable. They're murderous, autocratic assheads too, they just know how to smile about it.

I think they only people I don't completely despise are the ComGuards and the FRR, although neither of those are perfect either.

[Logan Hawke]

Marack Drock, on 14 October 2014 - 01:17 PM, said:

-snip-

Think you might have taken what I said just a *little* too seriously...

Tynan, on 14 October 2014 - 02:25 PM, said:

They're pretty much all ********, why differentiate? It's like asking "which country was the most monstrous in medieval Europe?" SPOILER ALERT: it's all of them (especially the Thirty Years' War, but that's hardly alone)

And as for Davion, even aside from the fourth succession war, what they did to the Taurians is unconscionable. They're murderous, autocratic assheads too, they just know how to smile about it.

I think they only people I don't completely despise are the ComGuards and the FRR, although neither of those are perfect either.

This guy gets it