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[Quick n Fast]

As Nikolai said today in ( http://mwomercs.com/...n/page__st__360 )

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There appears to be some misunderstanding over the nature of the Matchmaker.
Under no circumstances in this matchmaker will a 12 man pre-made team face off against PUGs. They are in distinct and seperate queues.

The Solo Queue is composed of:

• Solo players
  
• Up to 1 group of 2-4 Players per team.

The Group Queue is composed of:

• Groups of 2-10 Players
  
• Groups of 12 Players

In all likelihood, if you are dropping solo and encountering players claiming to be part of a full-premade team, they are most likely attempting to use psychological and intimidation warfare on your team to tip the balance in their favour.

[Dirkdaring]

I absolutely disagree. I had 3 of the best fights in a row last night than I've had in weeks. The teams were very equal.

[Kendricke]

Willard Phule, on 03 July 2014 - 03:29 PM, said:

Wow. You really believe that, don't you. Ok, cool, it's not worth arguing with you about. When you see four Steiners in D-DCs in the same lance....it's just a coincidence. Even when they tell you it's a premade.

The moment you put a fourth assaults in a group, the Group Launch button fades out and the "Assault:4" identifier at the top of the group window changes to bright red. You can't launch a group of any size with four assaults right now.

[Warblood]

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There appears to be some misunderstanding over the nature of the Matchmaker.
Under no circumstances in this matchmaker will a 12 man pre-made team face off against PUGs. They are in distinct and seperate queues.

The Solo Queue is composed of:

• Solo players
  
• Up to 1 group of 2-4 Players per team.

The Group Queue is composed of:

• Groups of 2-10 Players
  
• Groups of 12 Players

In all likelihood, if you are dropping solo and encountering players claiming to be part of a full-premade team, they are most likely attempting to use psychological and intimidation warfare on your team to tip the balance in their favour

QFT

[Simbacca]

Slepnir, on 03 July 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

Right forum, wrong question. what you should be asking is what is your team doing.


Had a bunch of good post patch games, also had a run of losses. the overall team tended to put up poor performance numbers in those lost matches.

Even still, I should not expect to lose match after match after match. I have been on teams where we had a Disconnected Player - and we could expect to still have a reasonable chance of winning. In this case, it has gotten to the point where I have no reason to expect to win at all.

[Willard Phule]

Kendricke, on 03 July 2014 - 04:14 PM, said:

The moment you put a fourth assaults in a group, the Group Launch button fades out and the "Assault:4" identifier at the top of the group window changes to bright red. You can't launch a group of any size with four assaults right now.

I can't attest to that, since I'm a solo dropper....but, I'm here to tell you I've run into a Steiner Scout lance with four D-DCs. AND they tole me they're a premade....so, make of that what you will.

Personally, I could care less. I don't drop into a PUG with even the slightest hope of winning. Winning means crap. Cbills is what matters. I knock off enough parts to clear 200k, I'm good.

[Be Rough With Me Plz]

Simbacca, on 03 July 2014 - 04:23 PM, said:

Even still, I should not expect to lose match after match after match. I have been on teams where we had a Disconnected Player - and we could expect to still have a reasonable chance of winning. In this case, it has gotten to the point where I have no reason to expect to win at all.

I'm gonna make an assumption here based on the tone of your posts,
.

Why don't you try and be the difference maker; lead by example instead of following the pack. Sometimes the momentum of a battle can be tipped with a well-timed disruption from the flank/rear. Granted - there's only so much a single player can do, but whining on the forums isn't going to solve squat since most "pug" players don't even bother visiting.

[Deathlike]

Davers, on 03 July 2014 - 03:27 PM, said:

Poor Hunchbacks. No real reason to use them. Other mechs took their jobs!

There's only like one guy I know that would technically always have a job!

Willard Phule, on 03 July 2014 - 04:24 PM, said:

I can't attest to that, since I'm a solo dropper....but, I'm here to tell you I've run into a Steiner Scout lance with four D-DCs. AND they tole me they're a premade....so, make of that what you will.

That's not exactly what happened.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE that you can "create" a 4-man Steiner lance. What's LIKELY to have happened is that there is a 3 or 4-man premade that had 3 Assaults, and then either solo (if in the solo queue) or SECONDARY PREMADE that happened to have 1 Assault in the group. It's either that or 2 premades with 2 Assaults in each.

Worst case scenario I've seen so far is 4-assaults and 4-heavies... not so much on the Lights and/or Mediums though.

Edited by Deathlike, 03 July 2014 - 04:51 PM.

[Simbacca]

Be Rough With Me Plz, on 03 July 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

I'm gonna make an assumption here based on the tone of your posts,
.

Why don't you try and be the difference maker; lead by example instead of following the pack. Sometimes the momentum of a battle can be tipped with a well-timed disruption from the flank/rear. Granted - there's only so much a single player can do, but whining on the forums isn't going to solve squat since most "pug" players don't even bother visiting.

Update:
As of now:
38 Wins, 62 Losses [17 wins, 46 losses since start of measuring] - that is 1 win, 5 losses since the start of this thread.

I have given up on what you suggested as it is literally making no difference in all the games I have played with the Hunchback-4P. I stick with the main body to provide necessary fire support, and provide TAG for the LRM boats. I am averaging 150 to 300 damage a match and getting kills - but still it is not making any difference.

Statistically, I should have won a lot more games than what is happening now........

Edited by Simbacca, 03 July 2014 - 04:58 PM.

[Willard Phule]

Be Rough With Me Plz, on 03 July 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

I'm gonna make an assumption here based on the tone of your posts,
.

Why don't you try and be the difference maker; lead by example instead of following the pack. Sometimes the momentum of a battle can be tipped with a well-timed disruption from the flank/rear. Granted - there's only so much a single player can do, but whining on the forums isn't going to solve squat since most "pug" players don't even bother visiting.

How, exactly, do you propose he "leads by example?" By saying "Push B4," and leads the way only to find that his teammates are full of mouthbreathers that are standing still, zoomed in, and contributing to the damage the other team is doing by shooting him in the back?

Look, PGI (Professional Gaming Idiots) wants us, the unwashed masses of the public queue, to simply be target practice for the organized groups.

And I'm good with that, don't think I'm crying. I'm not. I'm good with the complete mouthbreathing derps I get stuck with. What I'm tired of is the zoomed in ******* that get upset when I turn and kill them for shooting me in the back because they didn't see me.

Know what? Crying about me teamkilling you will get just about as much sympathy from me as some dumbass Private that has pissed off the First Sergeant and has been assigned the task of cleaning the toilets.

If you don't like it, learn to unzoom you moron. If you shoot your teammates in the back, PRAY they're just as new as you. If they're not, expect to die. That's how it works in the queue with the big boys. Talk to Russ. Maybe he'll fix the damn matchmaker and take you out of the big pool and put you in with the Kindergartners.

[Livewyr]

I have had some weird occurrences, I do not have a current suspect reason.. but Tuesday night, I was fighting in matches with the likes of Proton, Heim, etc.. and this afternoon, I ended up explaining to a brand newbie in a Trial Jenner to/how to turn off Throttle Decay and Arm lock. WTF?

I know I am seeing a lot of different faces than usual, but really?

As I said, I do not understand the scope of it, brief anomaly or beginning trend.

[Be Rough With Me Plz]

Willard Phule, on 03 July 2014 - 05:09 PM, said:

How, exactly, do you propose he "leads by example?" By saying "Push B4," and leads the way only to find that his teammates are full of mouthbreathers that are standing still, zoomed in, and contributing to the damage the other team is doing by shooting him in the back?

Look, PGI (Professional Gaming Idiots) wants us, the unwashed masses of the public queue, to simply be target practice for the organized groups.

And I'm good with that, don't think I'm crying. I'm not. I'm good with the complete mouthbreathing derps I get stuck with. What I'm tired of is the zoomed in ******* that get upset when I turn and kill them for shooting me in the back because they didn't see me.

Know what? Crying about me teamkilling you will get just about as much sympathy from me as some dumbass Private that has pissed off the First Sergeant and has been assigned the task of cleaning the toilets.

If you don't like it, learn to unzoom you moron. If you shoot your teammates in the back, PRAY they're just as new as you. If they're not, expect to die. That's how it works in the queue with the big boys. Talk to Russ. Maybe he'll fix the damn matchmaker and take you out of the big pool and put you in with the Kindergartners.

Quite the anger.

Not sure how much more self-explanatory "lead by example" is. If you think saying "Push B4" is enough communication preceding a flanking move, more power to you. All it shows is that you're stupid enough to charge in without seeing if anybody is actually following.

It goes without saying that some matches are lost from the get-go if you have people who don't really understand the mechanics of the game - especially if they're piloting a Heavy/Assault. It doesn't mean you adopt a defeatist attitude and be toxic towards others (something I'm guilty of at times i.e. a Raven killing 2 noobs in a streak/lrm Cata+ lrm Atlas) because that attitude won't "learn" them how to un-zoom.

We can hope that if enough people tell new players how to improve their understanding of the mechanics of the game, then hopefully they will learn.

If you team-kill and act like a douche then you can't exactly expect people to learn, can you?

[Wintersdark]

Simbacca, on 03 July 2014 - 03:15 PM, said:

I expect to win about 50% +/-10% of the time aka 10 +/-1 Wins, 10 +/-1 Losses . When it gets to the point when using a mech you can now expect just to lose match after match - what is the point of using that mech?

Simbacca, on 03 July 2014 - 04:23 PM, said:

Even still, I should not expect to lose match after match after match. I have been on teams where we had a Disconnected Player - and we could expect to still have a reasonable chance of winning. In this case, it has gotten to the point where I have no reason to expect to win at all.

Do you realize how ridiculous these posts are?

Stop for a moment, take yourself out of the picture, and look at it objectively.

Your choice of mech is not likely to be the deciding factor in a match. Correlation is not causation.

You shouldn't even expect to win 50% +/- 10%. Sure, in the long run things should work out that way, but "in the long run" means over the course of a 100+ matches.

"The matchmaker is broken because I lose all my matches when piloting this mech" Think about that. Are you implying that the Matchmaker is watching out for you, specifically, out of tens of thousands of players, dropping in one particular match, and then somehow rigging things so you'll lose?

Far more likely answers:
1) Just bad luck.
2) You're not as good with that mech as you though
3) Your Medium mech Elo rating is much higher than it ought to be, for whatever reason, and is matching you against much better opponents.

[Wintersdark]

Willard Phule, on 03 July 2014 - 05:09 PM, said:

If you don't like it, learn to unzoom you moron.

You keep saying this.

Have you considered that what you see when he's zoomed in and you're spectating him may not be what he's seeing? Run a wide FOV, then zoom in, and you end up with largely the save FOV as someone with a stock FOV.

For example, I tend to run zoomed all the time in some mechs - specifically those with bulky cockpits - to essentially remove the cockpit. My resultant field of view is pretty much exactly the same as someone with a stock FOV setting.

In short, don't make stupid assumptions.


Now, with that said, there's no excuse for repeatedly shooting teammates in the back. People doing that are bad and should be kicked in the rear so hard they sneeze s***.

[ApolloKaras]

Well we better find another boogey man now that the "SYNC Dropping groups" are done... lol


My matches have been close, I think I've seen a few where we've stomped 12-4, 12-3, but they are very few and far in-between.

Edited by Saxie, 03 July 2014 - 08:55 PM.

[Be Rough With Me Plz]

Simbacca, on 03 July 2014 - 04:58 PM, said:

Update:
As of now:
38 Wins, 62 Losses [17 wins, 46 losses since start of measuring] - that is 1 win, 5 losses since the start of this thread.

I have given up on what you suggested as it is literally making no difference in all the games I have played with the Hunchback-4P. I stick with the main body to provide necessary fire support, and provide TAG for the LRM boats. I am averaging 150 to 300 damage a match and getting kills - but still it is not making any difference.

Statistically, I should have won a lot more games than what is happening now........

:/ We're having opposite experiences it seems... I'm roughly at a 3-4:1 win to loss ratio since the patch and increased my overall kdr by ~0.2. Guess you're just unlucky with the people you get matched with/the people you're being matched with enjoy turtling and being surrounded.

I don't know enough about the whole ELO MM criteria to comment on that, but from my rough understanding the more losses you accrue the lower your ELO which leads to being matched with players who are less likely to achieve a group win? Maybe switching up mechs chassis will turn the loss-tide.

Either way, I hope your experience improves.

[KharnZor]

Willard Phule, on 03 July 2014 - 05:09 PM, said:

If you don't like it, learn to unzoom you moron. If you shoot your teammates in the back, PRAY they're just as new as you. If they're not, expect to die. That's how it works in the queue with the big boys. Talk to Russ. Maybe he'll fix the damn matchmaker and take you out of the big pool and put you in with the Kindergartners.

How about you not foul their line of fire instead?

[Mystere]

Gee, we have another "blame the matchmaker" thread. Whining, whining never changes.

[Mystere]

Willard Phule, on 03 July 2014 - 04:24 PM, said:

I can't attest to that, since I'm a solo dropper....but, I'm here to tell you I've run into a Steiner Scout lance with four D-DCs. AND they tole me they're a premade....so, make of that what you will.

It's called Psychological Warfare, or good old deception, and it worked on you.

Edited by Mystere, 03 July 2014 - 07:12 PM.

[WarZ]

Last night I would have said MM was great and stomping was non existant.

Tonight I'm fighting the common elo hell and my teams are getting beat on, with the rest of the team barely braking 200 damage while i push out 800. I play a strong game but the match is pretty ugly.

I am also pugging so thats probably not helping.

Is thursday a low population night ? LoL.

Oh well.