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[Sandpit]

Biaxialrain, on 07 July 2014 - 10:57 AM, said:

I love that, "Clan weapons are OP" to wit, "twist, turn or don't get shot".

Brilliant.

They are OP, more damage, further range.

never mind burst fire mechanics, extra heat, etc. right?

[girl on fire]

lower mouse sensitivity will make using laser pinpoint accuracy way easier. When I first started playing I tried playing it like the twitch shooters I enjoy; where I typically had a really high mouse sensitivity because pinpoint accuracy was less of an issue (I liked splash damage weapons). Anywho, for MWO I find having a high mouse sensitivity just means you're spreading laser damage all over and not really getting the hard hits you want.

[Willard Phule]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 July 2014 - 12:16 PM, said:

thing is, there really is no "set" as to who you run across, In GenPop, same team can have a top Elo and a Bottom Elo player. But in general, PUG queue does seem to see worse behavior.

Congratulations, you win the Internet for the day. Talk about understatement.

That being said, I suppose I should be happy that the PUG has so many mouthbreathers....they've helped me earn over 10 million cbills in the last 2 days.

[Sandpit]

girl on fire, on 07 July 2014 - 12:32 PM, said:

lower mouse sensitivity will make using laser pinpoint accuracy way easier. When I first started playing I tried playing it like the twitch shooters I enjoy; where I typically had a really high mouse sensitivity because pinpoint accuracy was less of an issue (I liked splash damage weapons). Anywho, for MWO I find having a high mouse sensitivity just means you're spreading laser damage all over and not really getting the hard hits you want.

a mouse with an on the fly dpi adjustment helps. I switch from high sensitivity to low when I zoom in to snipe at long distances. Makes it easier

[IraqiWalker]

Sandpit, on 07 July 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

a mouse with an on the fly dpi adjustment helps. I switch from high sensitivity to low when I zoom in to snipe at long distances. Makes it easier

Yeah. My mouse has a small button behind the wheel to switch between 4 dpit presets, and it can be quite helpful

[Axemeagain]

You said you do sometimes use a LRM boat, well look at your boats again... I normally use LRM boats. When I played WOT I used Arty, and so when I came to this game I just chose them over the other builds. I do pretty well with them, and kill the Clans same as any other mech I fire apon. If you are having troubles try a LRM build, you will get some damage in and assists wich pays well you can use that C-Bill to upgrade your other mechs as needed.

Hope that helps you some

[Sandpit]

IraqiWalker, on 07 July 2014 - 01:17 PM, said:

Yeah. My mouse has a small button behind the wheel to switch between 4 dpit presets, and it can be quite helpful

I use the naga epic and it's fantastic. Multiple profiles for different games so once my buttons are set I can just switch profiles between games. It also lets you adjust the DPI on the fly up or down which makes my gaming life much easier lol

[Willard Phule]

IraqiWalker, on 07 July 2014 - 01:17 PM, said:

Yeah. My mouse has a small button behind the wheel to switch between 4 dpit presets, and it can be quite helpful

LOL...I've got a Razer mouse that has that on it....but I'll be damned if I can figure it out. The technology...it frightens and confuses me....

[Sandpit]

Willard Phule, on 07 July 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

LOL...I've got a Razer mouse that has that on it....but I'll be damned if I can figure it out. The technology...it frightens and confuses me....

PM me, it wasn't real intuitive at first but I've figured out just about all the ins and outs of mine.

[Willard Phule]

Sandpit, on 07 July 2014 - 01:55 PM, said:

PM me, it wasn't real intuitive at first but I've figured out just about all the ins and outs of mine.

Nah, man, I'm good. You see....they have this little slider in the options....what can I say? I'm old and analog works just fine

[girl on fire]

Sandpit, on 07 July 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

a mouse with an on the fly dpi adjustment helps. I switch from high sensitivity to low when I zoom in to snipe at long distances. Makes it easier

i use a regular razr death adder it's not all fancypants with dpi switches

[Sandpit]

Willard Phule, on 07 July 2014 - 02:27 PM, said:

Nah, man, I'm good. You see....they have this little slider in the options....what can I say? I'm old and analog works just fine

lol well I spent a lot of time getting adjusted to it so if you need help figuring out any of the features just hit me up

girl on fire, on 07 July 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:

i use a regular razr death adder it's not all fancypants with dpi switches

lol It's all handled through the synapse software. You might look and see if it's available for your model

[IraqiWalker]

This is the one I have

http://www.amazon.co...0?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[KAT Ayanami]

Cion, on 06 July 2014 - 07:26 PM, said:

So I rarely make any quick judgements. I never complained about the LRMpocalipse, SRMgeddon, the PPC/AC stuff, jumsniping, LRMpocalipse2, etc. I always found a way around it, tactics, loadouts, etc. Sure, maybe not as efficient, but did a decent job.

I did not complain about the Clan mechs. Yes, the devs did it relatively good, making longer laser durations, and different lrm mechanics so they are not totally OP.

When clans came out, I could still hold my own vs some. Many TBs were just simply cocky and that killed em. Direwolves got LRMd to death, etc.

These last few days though, I am finally starting to *feel* outgunned. Doesnt matter what mech I take, there is a better, faster, more powerful (BY A LOT) Clan mech out there. It feels like my IS mechs are just outclassed in every arena, speed, mobility, guns, etc.

Dunno if its clan players having finally mastered their clan mechs, or just more experience, or something.

Any suggestions on how to take the fight to those clan mechs on IS mechs? tactics, loadouts, etc? I'm running out of ideas.

On a side note, I've always liked making the underdog mech work. I've piloted Awesomes to decent success when everyone hated them. At the moment though, I cant seem to make IS mechs work vs Clans.

Thanks.

PS: let's avoid starting a new "this is OP", I'm looking for new ideas. thnx.
edit: bold the actual question so ppl know this is not a whine thread but seeking new ideas thread. gosh.

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For those interested, here are some ideas given here that I'll try (sorry I can't put all of them)
-focus more on pinpoint damage (Gauss, AC 10, etc).
-focus on side torsos rather than center torso
-attack from a different vertical plane (apparently clan mechs dont have that great of vertical twist)
-new builds (see the smurfy links below)
-JJs!!!!!

edit 2: added a quick summary of some responses.

NOPE! Clans are not OP.

We IS users are just noobs that do not know how to fight them. We need to "L2P".

We are supposed to use META weapons like PPC and Gauss because they do pinpoint damage (the only advantage to clans, looks like). But we are bashed for doing so.
A same player has to play 2 times better than any other Clans user of the same tonnage to beat them, yet, Clan users think this is completely normal and its not OP.


I think its fine that Clans are OP. I just run around until they do not target me anymore. I just hate how clan users do not want to accept that they are OP.

[KAT Ayanami]

Scratx, on 06 July 2014 - 07:37 PM, said:

My dual gauss jager still works like a charm. My dual AC10 dual medlas standard engine jager funnily enough also still works just fine.

I'm too sleepy right now to hunt down every build of mine that seems to work fine, though.

See what I said? Cocky guy here just said it too. His Meta-Mechs are doing fine.

Any mech that can pinpoint alpha and run away, or LRM under cover can do O-K. Anything else just takes a beating because the moment a Clan Mech sees you they bring armageddon without caring about distance.

[IraqiWalker]

KAT Ayanami, on 07 July 2014 - 04:28 PM, said:

NOPE! Clans are not OP.

We IS users are just noobs that do not know how to fight them. We need to "L2P".

We are supposed to use META weapons like PPC and Gauss because they do pinpoint damage (the only advantage to clans, looks like). But we are bashed for doing so.
A same player has to play 2 times better than any other Clans user of the same tonnage to beat them, yet, Clan users think this is completely normal and its not OP.


I think its fine that Clans are OP. I just run around until they do not target me anymore. I just hate how clan users do not want to accept that they are OP.

That's not what clan owners like myself are saying.

It's not because L2P here doesn't mean that you are a newb at the game. No, in my case, I mean that you need to learna dn adapt new tactics, since you're fighting new and different enemies.

I also don't think clan mechs are OP. My ON1-K testifies to that rather well. 4MLs, AC20, 2xSRM4s and a STD 300, with max armor. Have had little to no trouble dealing with clan mechs.

My IS Lights are too easy right now against clan mechs, and as I said before. If you want to have an easy way to deal with clan mechs you can run meta and high PP FLD builds (what the clan mechs are weak against. That will require less skill than running DoT builds (what the clan mechs are really good at). If someone is having a hard time dealing with clan mechs, there's no shame in switching play styles to one that works against them effectively.

Balance doesn't mean that everything is the same. That's your misconception. Balance means that there is a proper justification for picking one or the other, and it's not an obvious advantage of one over the other. That's why clan mechs are balanced, and not OP.

[Mcgral18]

KAT Ayanami, on 07 July 2014 - 04:28 PM, said:

NOPE! Clans are not OP.

We IS users are just noobs that do not know how to fight them. We need to "L2P".

We are supposed to use META weapons like PPC and Gauss because they do pinpoint damage (the only advantage to clans, looks like). But we are bashed for doing so.
A same player has to play 2 times better than any other Clans user of the same tonnage to beat them, yet, Clan users think this is completely normal and its not OP.


I think its fine that Clans are OP. I just run around until they do not target me anymore. I just hate how clan users do not want to accept that they are OP.

Well, aside from the fact that they aren't OP, what mechs don't work against them?

Pretty much the same mechs that couldn't compete against other IS mechs as well.


My SHDs, HGNs, Banshees Victors, Jenners, Etc..all work fine against Clans mechs.


Brawling Victors work fine, as do the Poptarts. Clans have pretty poor hitboxes, and a few weapons that are better than the IS ones. ERML and SL, and the gauss?

ACs are inferior, PPCs are stuck at 15 heat, ERLLs have a 50% extra burn time and deal less damage in the time span of the isERLL.


You need to stop ignoring the bad part of the Clans.

[Sandpit]

KAT Ayanami, on 07 July 2014 - 04:28 PM, said:

NOPE! Clans are not OP.

We IS users are just noobs that do not know how to fight them. We need to "L2P".

We are supposed to use META weapons like PPC and Gauss because they do pinpoint damage (the only advantage to clans, looks like). But we are bashed for doing so.
A same player has to play 2 times better than any other Clans user of the same tonnage to beat them, yet, Clan users think this is completely normal and its not OP.


I think its fine that Clans are OP. I just run around until they do not target me anymore. I just hate how clan users do not want to accept that they are OP.

I'm not a clan user and I don't think they're OP so uhm what's the excuse for me?

[Roland]

The benefits of clan tech clearly outweigh the downsides in most cases though.

I mean, if you can't build good mechs, them you will likely make crappy clan mechs and think they are bad. Indeed, most clan mechs seen on the field are driven by bad players such as this.

But if you know how to build a mech, the clans have some awesome stuff. Half size chassis upgrades give tons of space and tonnage. And everything is lighter, so you can do even more with that saved tonnage. And of course, the clan xl engine is immensely powerful, with no downsides.

Weapons like the erppc, clan Gauss, and medium laser are powerhouses, and anyone who tries to play down the benefits of clan tech are likely just trying to talk them down in an attempt to avoid nerfing.. Or they are fooling themselves... Or they just don't understand what can be done with the clan technology.

[Sandpit]

Roland, on 07 July 2014 - 05:25 PM, said:

The benefits of clan tech clearly outweigh the downsides in most cases though.

I mean, if you can't build good mechs, them you will likely make crappy clan mechs and think they are bad. Indeed, most clan mechs seen on the field are driven by bad players such as this.

But if you know how to build a mech, the clans have some awesome stuff. Half size chassis upgrades give tons of space and tonnage. And everything is lighter, so you can do even more with that saved tonnage. And of course, the clan xl engine is immensely powerful, with no downsides.

Weapons like the erppc, clan Gauss, and medium laser are powerhouses, and anyone who tries to play down the benefits of clan tech are likely just trying to talk them down in an attempt to avoid nerfing.. Or they are fooling themselves... Or they just don't understand what can be done with the clan technology.

I've played around with them in Smurfy and did some comparisons on builds. With one or two exceptions I haven't found any builds that I can't create similarly on both sides. There's a different flavor for sure but I don't see anything I couldn't build on the IS side that wouldn't still compete in the game. There's a few "cheese" builds for clans but there's the same kinda of cheese on the IS side as well