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[Sandpit]

Duran Vancor, on 17 July 2014 - 12:50 PM, said:

SCR-PRIME

5 ERML
3 SRM6+ART
16 HS

Good thing the Stormcrow can't mount jumpjets. What a ridiculously overpowered mech it would be

oddly enough, the mediums are the only area I can think of that will give me trouble trying to match ton for ton

[Quick n Fast]

dwf omega dakkdakka extreme
!!!! c ac5 x6

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...177ba80d1919903

Edited by Kahnawake MechMaster Prime, 17 July 2014 - 12:57 PM.

[Duran Vancor]

Sandpit, on 17 July 2014 - 12:54 PM, said:

oddly enough, the mediums are the only area I can think of that will give me trouble trying to match ton for ton

I'm trying to copy it onto a Shadowhawk...

SHD-2D

Same speed and the advantage of jumpjets, but it is completely outgunned, runs hotter and dies from losing a side torso.
The Stormcrow is pretty much impossible to copy on an IS medium.

[Sandpit]

I'm thinking either WVR or HB honestly. The SC you posted is mean sure enough but half of its armament is useless outside of 300 meters. If it runs into a quick JJ capable mech it's not going to be nearly as effective. As a pure brawler type though it looks pretty means.

[CDLord HHGD]

Super OP

Got her mastered in a day and left a trail of death behind her.

Proof

[Duran Vancor]

Sandpit, on 17 July 2014 - 01:08 PM, said:

I'm thinking either WVR or HB honestly. The SC you posted is mean sure enough but half of its armament is useless outside of 300 meters. If it runs into a quick JJ capable mech it's not going to be nearly as effective. As a pure brawler type though it looks pretty means.

Don't underestimate 5 ERML. 35 damage is only 1 damage less then being hit by 4 IS LL... without any ghost heat. It's basically a medium with the firepower of an IS assault loading 4 LL and 3 SRM6. Think about that.

I'm interested to see what you come up with. With some time on my hand, I'm playing around smurfy myself and it's rough. To outrun it, you have to reduce your firepower significantly, if your mech even allows an engine to outrun it.

[Sephlock]

Since LRMs are so incredibly OP, Clan mechs are so incredibly OP, and Clan LRMs in particular are so, so incredibly OP...

BEHOLD! DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS!

Jump jets and some reasonable speed + clan XL plus THE DREAD LURMS, WHICH CAN ONESHOT YOU AT 2000 METERS WITH NO HOPE OF DODGING!

Ph34r!

[CDLord HHGD]

cdlord, on 17 July 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

Super OP

Got her mastered in a day and left a trail of death behind her.

Proof

I Win Again

Edited by cdlord, 17 July 2014 - 01:31 PM.

[Sandpit]

Duran Vancor, on 17 July 2014 - 01:20 PM, said:

Don't underestimate 5 ERML. 35 damage is only 1 damage less then being hit by 4 IS LL... without any ghost heat. It's basically a medium with the firepower of an IS assault loading 4 LL and 3 SRM6. Think about that.

I'm interested to see what you come up with. With some time on my hand, I'm playing around smurfy myself and it's rough. To outrun it, you have to reduce your firepower significantly, if your mech even allows an engine to outrun it.

I think a 6ML Jenner with max armor moving about 135 would do the trick. I'm also toying with some FS and Raven builds in smurfy for this one

Regardless of how well my builds do, I'm really liking some of the builds I've seen. It's interesting to see what players are stomping around in.

[CDLord HHGD]

Sandpit, on 17 July 2014 - 01:54 PM, said:

I think a 6ML Jenner with max armor moving about 135 would do the trick. I'm also toying with some FS and Raven builds in smurfy for this one

Regardless of how well my builds do, I'm really liking some of the builds I've seen. It's interesting to see what players are stomping around in.

I was death incarnate in my Jenner F with just 6 Small Lasers. They cycle faster, generate less heat, and end up with more sustainable DPS than MLs.

[Ultimax]

Duran Vancor, on 17 July 2014 - 12:58 PM, said:

I'm trying to copy it onto a Shadowhawk...

SHD-2D

Same speed and the advantage of jumpjets, but it is completely outgunned, runs hotter and dies from losing a side torso.
The Stormcrow is pretty much impossible to copy on an IS medium.

You can't copy the Stormcrow, but you don't really have to.

One of the times I was out mitigated and out gunned was when I got caught in close quarters with a STD Engine AC 20 Hunchback.

My speed was denied due to the situation, and the Hunchback could soak my damage and dish out pinpoint 20 shots with high accuracy due to it's decent maneuverability.


My stormcrow wasn't a full on brawl build, but it still taught me to be careful of AC 20 packing IS mediums in my Stormcrow.

[Sandpit]

Ultimatum X, on 17 July 2014 - 01:58 PM, said:

You can't copy the Stormcrow, but you don't really have to.

One of the times I was out mitigated and out gunned was when I got caught in close quarters with a STD Engine AC 20 Hunchback.

My speed was denied due to the situation, and the Hunchback could soak my damage and dish out pinpoint 20 shots with high accuracy due to it's decent maneuverability.


My stormcrow wasn't a full on brawl build, but it still taught me to be careful of AC 20 packing IS mediums in my Stormcrow.

yea that's why I mentioned the trust crusty HB. A big bore AC is going to quickly ruin any med or light mech's day a lot of times. lol

[Ultimax]

Sandpit, on 17 July 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

yea that's why I mentioned the trust crusty HB. A big bore AC is going to quickly ruin any med or light mech's day a lot of times. lol

Indeed.

It was a funny moment in retrospect, I tend to play heavies and assaults - the stormcrow is my first fully mastered medium.

When I saw the AC 20 in the HUD it was the first time I had ever said to myself "Oh crap it's a hunchback!".

[Asmudius Heng]

One on one meta vs meta is hardly a way to test the value of clan mechs in a team game.

Also implying IS can beat clan mechs as long as they exclusively take the bleeding edge of FLD PP meta is hardly making the word 'Balanced' sound like it applies.

You can beat clanners! Just NEVER take this list of mechs/weapons ever! here are your 4-5 Chassis and 3-4 weapons .. BALANCE YAY!

[Mcgral18]

Asmudius Heng, on 17 July 2014 - 04:02 PM, said:

One on one meta vs meta is hardly a way to test the value of clan mechs in a team game.

Also implying IS can beat clan mechs as long as they exclusively take the bleeding edge of FLD PP meta is hardly making the word 'Balanced' sound like it applies.

You can beat clanners! Just NEVER take this list of mechs/weapons ever! here are your 4-5 Chassis and 3-4 weapons .. BALANCE YAY!

Well, my Banshee 3M, which uses exclusively lasers, doesn't have a problem with Daishis.

Wub, or otherwise. Concentrated fire kills, no matter the tech base.

[Asmudius Heng]

Sure and teamwork also beats any OP build but we are not talking about how individual instances happen we are discussing balance which assumes both teams of equal skill etc.

If YOU were driving that Daishi would you feel scared by that Banshee? Or would you glibly say you have no rules with IS mechs like you are saying with clan mechs now?

I am not saying clan mechs are ridiculously OP or anything btw I just dislike how people view balance comparisons - the better threads have LOTS of data but even then I lament the fact that so few IS mechs are being used because the clan release has pushed people even futher to the FLD PP IS meta to make sure they have an advantage.

If Clans are masters of DPS ... what happens to an IS mech that want's to run that sort of style? They get smashed from both sides.

Clan mechs narrow the IS meta even futher IMO and that is quite sad.

[Sandpit]

Guys please remember this isn't about a discussion regarding pgi's balancing methods. This is just a fun thread to compare builds. There's plenty of threads to argue about that

This is not meant to be definitive by any means. Keep it fun and interesting but no need to rehash the same arguments available in a dozen other threads

[Asmudius Heng]

My apologies I will exit the thread.

[Tremendous Upside]

Here you go. You either gang tackle this or you die. Literally the only mech I've found to be an issue with it 1v1.... Is another Dire Wolf.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...3dae8bccd46d52d

[Sandpit]

Asmudius Heng, on 17 July 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:

My apologies I will exit the thread.

there's no need to exit, I just want this to stay on track with the builds themselves. It's about counter-points and showing that sometimes we have to think outside of the box. We all wind up running in mechs, builds, etc. that we get "accustomed" to. As creatures of habit when something comes along that rocks that boat, we tend to not want to adjust and adapt. I'm honestly hoping that this thread can help with that. If you'll notice I've kept my personal opinions regarding Clans being OP out of it because I don't want this to get slanted one way or the other.

Help us come up with some builds dude, don't leave.