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[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

Adiuvo, on 20 July 2014 - 11:13 AM, said:

That is not an average match for a light pilot lol. Nobody has average damage that high with a meaningful amount of matches.

Maybe if you're constantly popping strikes in the solo queue... but even then.

Who the **** uses artillery in pug/solo matches?! I don't. Actually, I do see people pop artillery in the group queue frequently, but generally only people in groups larger than 5.


And the odd out loco Locust pilot trying to get XP, but he has every right to use artillery. It has no other way to deal damage, ha!

[Hellen Wheels]

stjobe, on 20 July 2014 - 09:59 AM, said:

What, you mean like this?

To their credit (not something I part with lately for PGI), under the Commander skills they have arguably instituted all of those items except three:

Satellite Sweep
Naval Bombardment
Predator Drone

Admittedly the implementation of the other Commander skills has not been the greatest of implementations. Would have liked to have seen more finesse in usage than just plugging in modules and pushing a button.

[Adiuvo]

Yokaiko, on 20 July 2014 - 11:20 AM, said:

No actually Highlander probably does......

I doubt it. I doubt anyone does that has a good amount of matches. Most of the top light pilots have average damage around 350-400.

mwhighlander, on 20 July 2014 - 11:20 AM, said:

Who the **** uses artillery in pug/solo matches?! I don't. Actually, I do see people pop artillery in the group queue frequently, but generally only people in groups larger than 5.


And the odd out loco Locust pilot trying to get XP, but he has every right to use artillery. It has no other way to deal damage, ha!

I bring an arti usually just to have it, but rarely use it. Unless it's a perfect strike... those times when people pack up in corridors on Forest Colony are just waaaay too tempting.

[Yokaiko]

Adiuvo, on 20 July 2014 - 11:25 AM, said:

I doubt it. I doubt anyone does that has a good amount of matches. Most of the top light pilots have average damage around 350-400.

I watched him pull 500 on a BAD game for about four hours straight yesterday. I think his record was 960(ish) damage and 6 kills. Over a course of about 5 hours. So when he says he pulls those numbers, believe it he does.

[YueFei]

Adiuvo, on 20 July 2014 - 11:25 AM, said:

I doubt it. I doubt anyone does that has a good amount of matches. Most of the top light pilots have average damage around 350-400.

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if many mediocre Light mech pilots have higher average damage, just from lack of precision fire. Both from themselves, and from their teammates (playing in lower ELO).

I am a mediocre pilot, I average 444 damage in a Jenner-F. Problem is my W/L is 1.08. Just barely above even. I'm spraying damage all over the place and I know it. So I'm not putting down targets. Which leads to longer matches as enemies live longer and go on to kill more of my teammates. As my teammates dwindle my own team has less firepower and so the fight drags on some more. I get chances to shoot more as a result, and get more damage.

I think people focus too much on damage-per-match. The only stat that matters is W/L.

[Adiuvo]

Yokaiko, on 20 July 2014 - 11:29 AM, said:

I watched him pull 500 on a BAD game for about four hours straight yesterday. I think his record was 960(ish) damage and 6 kills. Over a course of about 5 hours. So when he says he pulls those numbers, believe it he does.

Alright? I'm not talking about games in general, I'm talking about average damage.

YueFei, on 20 July 2014 - 11:30 AM, said:

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if many mediocre Light mech pilots have higher average damage, just from lack of precision fire. Both from themselves, and from their teammates (playing in lower ELO).

I am a mediocre pilot, I average 444 damage in a Jenner-F. Problem is my W/L is 1.08. Just barely above even. I'm spraying damage all over the place and I know it. So I'm not putting down targets. Which leads to longer matches as enemies live longer and go on to kill more of my teammates. As my teammates dwindle my own team has less firepower and so the fight drags on some more. I get chances to shoot more as a result, and get more damage.

I think people focus too much on damage-per-match. The only stat that matters is W/L.

True. W/L is indeed the most important thing. The rest of the stats page is fun to look at and in some cases can be important, but yeah W/L above all.

[AllSystemsNominal]

I just think it's funny when people are like "yah i get 300-500 damage in my light on average"

Not only do they not know what average means but they're full of **** LOL

[Lostdragon]

nehebkau, on 20 July 2014 - 10:36 AM, said:

Over 176 games, doing an average of 345 damage per game in a 30 ton, 2 laser mech is not one or two examples. It is a large sample size that indicates if you play with a little awareness of what you are and what you are there to do, you can be effective in a 30 ton mech.

You just cant do the Lazer-boy Jenner dash and zap anymore -- which is fine by me. You have to understand what you are there to do -- AND THAT ISN'T BEING ONLY A SUPPORT CLASS.

I spent 1 match keeping a DWF and WHK hunting for me in upper (river) city while everyone else was fighting lower city. An entire match of circle behind, fire, duck, move, repeat. My team won because they had a huge advantage with a 30 ton mech keeping 185 tons of mech out of the primary battle. Lights are fine, if you stop trying to be a time-bending Matrix defying super-warrior.

176 matches by one player is statistically insignificant compared to the thousands of matches played each week. And relying on the other team to be dumb only works up to a certain level of play.

mwhighlander, on 20 July 2014 - 11:10 AM, said:

They are outliers to the average player in a light mech.

What he posted is an average match with a good pilot. However, this topic is more focused on the average players, not the above average. Reason being is the above average player will always earn above average income for their performance.

I'm calling BS on this. Prove me wrong by showing me a stats page with any light that averages 600 damage over 1,000 games. I've played with/against some great players and they don't average this in lights.

[Yokaiko]

Lostdragon, on 20 July 2014 - 11:46 AM, said:

I'm calling BS on this. Prove me wrong by showing me a stats page with any light that averages 600 damage over 1,000 games. I've played with/against some great players and they don't average this in lights.

Who the hell has 1000 games on ONE mech?

I used to sit in my -3L a LOT and I just checked the archives, it has 308 games, far and away my most used mech.

But even then in the days of terrible SSRM splash
Raven -3L 251 a game 300 matches
Commando -2D 300/game 60ish matches (6:1 K/D) lol
Death Knell 244 /24 matches
X-5 255/33 matches (6.80:1 K/D)

I'm an average light pilot at best.

Edited by Yokaiko, 20 July 2014 - 11:57 AM.

[nehebkau]

AllSystemsNominal, on 20 July 2014 - 11:37 AM, said:

I just think it's funny when people are like "yah i get 300-500 damage in my light on average"

Not only do they not know what average means but they're full of **** LOL

This is from my profile... I am not full of ****

Mech' Matches Played Wins Losses Ratio Kills Deaths Ratio Damage Done XP Earned Avg Dmg
SPIDER SDR-5D 111 60 49 1.22 65 36 1.81 "38,995" "83,452" 351
KIT FOX KFX-PRIME(I) 176 101 74 1.36 151 86 1.76 "60,666" "187,239" 344
KIT FOX KFX-D 49 22 25 0.88 33 26 1.27 "15,646" "56,128" 319
KIT FOX KFX-S 57 27 28 0.96 46 29 1.59 "19,511" "57,596" 342
KIT FOX KFX-PRIME(G) 176 101 74 1.36 151 86 1.76 "60,666" "187,239" 344

Last number is the average. And I am NOT a super awesome pilot I am mediocre -- I just play a light like a light, not as if it were an assault.

Lostdragon, on 20 July 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

I have 2,000 games in Jenners... But ok, I'd accept 250 or 500 games, but the real test of consistency would be 1,000.

you are going to see almost no statistical relevance between 50 and 1000 games.

Edited by nehebkau, 20 July 2014 - 12:06 PM.

[Lostdragon]

Yokaiko, on 20 July 2014 - 11:52 AM, said:

Who the hell has 1000 games on ONE mech?

I used to sit in my -3L a LOT and I just checked the archives, it has 308 games, far and away my most used mech.

But even then in the days of terrible SSRM splash
Raven -3L 251 a game 300 matches
Commando -2D 300/game 60ish matches (6:1 K/D) lol
Death Knell 244 /24 matches
X-5 255/33 matches (6.80:1 K/D)

I'm an average light pilot at best.

I have 2,000 games in Jenners... But ok, I'd accept 250 or 500 games, but the real test of consistency would be 1,000.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

Lostdragon, on 20 July 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

I have 2,000 games in Jenners...

Very Interesting.

I have about 2.2k games in my Cataphract. Just out of curiosity, how much XP do you have in that mech sitting?

[Lostdragon]

mwhighlander, on 20 July 2014 - 12:13 PM, said:

Very Interesting.

I have about 2.2k games in my Cataphract. Just out of curiosity, how much XP do you have in that mech sitting?

Not much, I converted a lot of it during various sales and such. At one point I had over 200,000, but now I have less than 50,000.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

Lostdragon, on 20 July 2014 - 12:16 PM, said:

Not much, I converted a lot of it during various sales and such. At one point I had over 200,000, but now I have less than 50,000.

So, you're telling me you only had at best 200,000 xp on that mech, despite having over 2k games?

Something tells me your average games are painful to watch, as most pilots I know with over 2k games in one mech have over Millions of XP sitting.


Unless you mean you spent over $250 USD on xp conversions, which is entirely possible.

Edited by mwhighlander, 20 July 2014 - 12:33 PM.

[Lostdragon]

mwhighlander, on 20 July 2014 - 12:32 PM, said:

So, you're telling me you only had at best 200,000 xp on that mech, despite having over 2k games?

Something tells me your average games are painful to watch, as most pilots I know with over 2k games in one mech have over Millions of XP sitting.


Unless you mean you spent over $250 USD on xp conversions, which is entirely possible.

I would guess I've spent close to $200 on conversions. I didn't level up my clan mechs I converted $30 in the last sale they had and banked most of it then I converted another $45 when clans came out. I had converted some in previous sales also.

Edited by Lostdragon, 20 July 2014 - 12:37 PM.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

Lostdragon, on 20 July 2014 - 12:36 PM, said:

I would guess I've spent close to $200 on conversions. I didn't level up my clan mechs

Ouch...

[Wolfways]

Fix = Big maps.

[Rampancy]

Adiuvo, on 20 July 2014 - 11:13 AM, said:

That is not an average match for a light pilot lol. Nobody has average damage that high with a meaningful amount of matches.

Maybe if you're constantly popping strikes in the solo queue... but even then.

Mech #Matches #Won #Loss W/L #Kills #Deaths KDR #Damage #EXP Damage/M
JENNER JR7-F 344 229 114 2.01 781 194 4.03 169,935 368,115 494

2+ W/L, 4+ KDR, almost 500 damage/match (and steadily climbing)

I don't use Arties or airstrikes

Edited by RampancyTW, 20 July 2014 - 03:55 PM.

[Zolaz]

Bad pilots do bad no matter what mech they play in. Heavier mechs are more forgiving when you make smaller mistakes.
Very little will save you if you are the direct line of sight target from 3 or more mechs.

If light mechs made the same amount of c-bills that heavier mechs did, more people would play them.

[Deathlike]

Yokaiko, on 20 July 2014 - 11:52 AM, said:

Who the hell has 1000 games on ONE mech?

I used to sit in my -3L a LOT and I just checked the archives, it has 308 games, far and away my most used mech.

But even then in the days of terrible SSRM splash
Raven -3L 251 a game 300 matches
Commando -2D 300/game 60ish matches (6:1 K/D) lol
Death Knell 244 /24 matches
X-5 255/33 matches (6.80:1 K/D)

I'm an average light pilot at best.

There are always a few that play the same few mechs over and over.

I've only accumulated 850+ matches in a Jenner-D, although the 450+ I have with the Jenner-K probably doesn't really count...

nehebkau, on 20 July 2014 - 11:52 AM, said:

This is from my profile... I am not full of ****

Mech' Matches Played Wins Losses Ratio Kills Deaths Ratio Damage Done XP Earned Avg Dmg
SPIDER SDR-5D 111 60 49 1.22 65 36 1.81 "38,995" "83,452" 351
KIT FOX KFX-PRIME(I) 176 101 74 1.36 151 86 1.76 "60,666" "187,239" 344
KIT FOX KFX-D 49 22 25 0.88 33 26 1.27 "15,646" "56,128" 319
KIT FOX KFX-S 57 27 28 0.96 46 29 1.59 "19,511" "57,596" 342
KIT FOX KFX-PRIME(G) 176 101 74 1.36 151 86 1.76 "60,666" "187,239" 344

Last number is the average. And I am NOT a super awesome pilot I am mediocre -- I just play a light like a light, not as if it were an assault.



you are going to see almost no statistical relevance between 50 and 1000 games.

I don't think there's ever really going to be much to find from that. Although, my damage average has gotten up slightly between the Archived vs Current stats on the Jenner-D.

It doesn't really pay to be some sort of MVP in a Light.