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[CeeKay Boques]

Sandpit, on 23 July 2014 - 06:33 PM, said:

NO!

Also, do a search for similar threads
(i figure duplicate threads deserve duplicate responses )

D-d-d-d-d DOUBLE LIKES!

[Mechteric]

Once we get map voting I can guarantee nobody will ever vote for Alpine or Terra Therma. These maps need redesigned for people to want to play them.

lartfor, on 24 July 2014 - 05:11 AM, said:

Lets start this backwards then? Which one map would people NOT skip if they had the option?

I'm going with crimson, it's easily the best map in the game.

Tourmaline I think is the best designed map (other than those invisible weapon shot barriers).

Edited by CapperDeluxe, 24 July 2014 - 05:41 AM.

[Jonny Taco]

CapperDeluxe, on 24 July 2014 - 05:40 AM, said:

Tourmaline I think is the best designed map (other than those invisible weapon shot barriers).

God awful map hit boxes sadly are not something specific to tourmaline however it's certainly one of the worst offenders...

You would think for 250k, a team of "professionals" would have produced a far more "professional" product.

[El Bandito]

I will not miss Mordor, and heat is not the issue. Pug life is just sucky when Mordor is around.

As for maps I will never skip, that would be Forest Colony.

Edited by El Bandito, 24 July 2014 - 05:58 AM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Cut out something we dont have much of already?
Are you mad?

And the people that actually do blacklist maps extend the que times..

[CDLord HHGD]

lartfor, on 24 July 2014 - 05:11 AM, said:

Lets start this backwards then? Which one map would people NOT skip if they had the option?

I'm going with crimson, it's easily the best map in the game.

Alpine is one of my favorites.

[Widowmaker1981]

lartfor, on 24 July 2014 - 05:11 AM, said:

Lets start this backwards then? Which one map would people NOT skip if they had the option?

I'm going with crimson, it's easily the best map in the game.

that depends entirely on which build im running. if im playing my UAC5 direwolf it would be HPG probably, but im playing an LRM mech it would be Alpine or Caustic. which is why you shouldnt be able to do this.

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 24 July 2014 - 06:23 AM.

[Jonny Taco]

Widowmaker1981, on 24 July 2014 - 06:03 AM, said:

that depends entirely on which build im running. if im playing my UAC5 direwolf it would be alpine for sure, but im playing an LRM mech it would be river city or HPG. which is why you shouldnt be able to do this.

No doubt that within the current game environment, being able to choose which map you drop on would be a huge mistake. Assuming that CW goes the way that most of us hope it will, specific load outs for specific maps will be expected.

[WarHippy]

jaxjace, on 23 July 2014 - 08:24 PM, said:

Honestly why the hell not? Who actually LIKES therma?

Also alpine is broken. River city is broken, Forrest colony is straight up too small.

The only fun maps are HPG Frozen River(and its broke!) and Straight and they are getting old.

FupDup, on 23 July 2014 - 09:11 PM, said:

Suddenly, Mordor would become a ghost town.

The people that dislike the map are in the minority. This was just one of the polls on the subject of that map and others were even more lopsided. http://mwomercs.com/...herma-map-vote/

[El Bandito]

WarHippy, on 24 July 2014 - 06:38 AM, said:

The people that dislike the map are in the minority. This was just one of the polls on the subject of that map and others were even more lopsided. http://mwomercs.com/...herma-map-vote/

Prefer not playing a map and removing the said map entirely are two very different things. Even if I hate Mordor with passion and do not want it in my queue, I do not wish the map to be removed entirely. Cause that would be stupid.

Edited by El Bandito, 24 July 2014 - 06:55 AM.

[WarHippy]

El Bandito, on 24 July 2014 - 06:52 AM, said:

Prefer not playing a map and removing the said map entirely are two very different things. Even if I hate Mordor with passion and do not want it in my queue, I do not wish the map to be removed entirely. Cause that would be stupid.

Then you would have been one of the people that voted maybe. The point still stands people like the map even though the people I quoted seem to believe that nobody does.

[Jman5]

People have this notion that if you force players to play their least favorite map occasionally they will alter their build to compensate. That, because Alpine peaks is in the rotation, they force themselves to equip an LRM launcher or ER PPC on their brawler build.

The truth is most people build their mechs based on the norm, or even ideal scenarios. So they build a great brawler for smaller maps, or a great sniper on big maps. Then when they roll their least favorite map, they crinkle their nose and muddle through it. They usually don't do all that much worse, but they had a negative experience. Most importantly, they don't go back to the mechlab and change everything just so 1/10 times when they roll alpine, they can plink away at targets with an LRM 5.

You don't accomplish anything by forcing people to play every map. All you're doing is making people grumble about a game that's supposed to be for fun. We already have a game mode filter, why not give player a 1-map filter option too? It doesn't hurt you and few if any would alter their build because of that. Nevermind the fact that the strongest meta builds out there are already good on every map anyway.

I hate alpine peaks, but if I look at my W/L ratio it's actually about average. I can muddle through the map just fine, but it doesn't change the fact that I dislike rolling it.

[Zerberus]

I absolutely despise River City night.

Still think this is a really bad idea, though, fopr multiple reasons.

1. Community Warfare: How exactly are you going to "conquer" an ice planet if you have Apline and FC blocked? Or a planet mainly consisting of volcanoes with TT blocked?

Or will people just whine until the planet gets flagged for their faction?

2. Groups: Worst case scenario, 12 people all hate (and have blocked) 12 different maps. How exactly are they supposed to drop at all before the next map gets released?

Or will people just whine until pgi creates N/D versions of every map, just do they can play?

3. Immersion: Real warriors /real men fight when and where they need to. Only ******* not deserving of the title of mechwarrior chicken out of a fight and call in sick just because they don`t like the map.

And they constantly whine about everything, anyway.

4. Wait times go up all across the board because every Tom , D!ck and Harry thinks he`s a special snowflake that should only get dropped on maps they enjoy.

And ironically, many of these people calling for map blacklisting (though not necessarily the ones in this specific thread) run "meta" loadouts, which are supposed to be equally usable on every map, in every situation. So why exactly are they asking for this in the first place?

[Sandpit]

CapperDeluxe, on 24 July 2014 - 05:40 AM, said:

Once we get map voting I can guarantee nobody will ever vote for Alpine or Terra Therma. These maps need redesigned for people to want to play them.





Tourmaline I think is the best designed map (other than those invisible weapon shot barriers).

Ok I'll take that bet.

Jman5, on 24 July 2014 - 08:29 AM, said:

People have this notion that if you force players to play their least favorite map occasionally they will alter their build to compensate. That, because Alpine peaks is in the rotation, they force themselves to equip an LRM launcher or ER PPC on their brawler build.

The truth is most people build their mechs based on the norm, or even ideal scenarios. So they build a great brawler for smaller maps, or a great sniper on big maps. Then when they roll their least favorite map, they crinkle their nose and muddle through it. They usually don't do all that much worse, but they had a negative experience. Most importantly, they don't go back to the mechlab and change everything just so 1/10 times when they roll alpine, they can plink away at targets with an LRM 5.

You don't accomplish anything by forcing people to play every map. All you're doing is making people grumble about a game that's supposed to be for fun. We already have a game mode filter, why not give player a 1-map filter option too? It doesn't hurt you and few if any would alter their build because of that. Nevermind the fact that the strongest meta builds out there are already good on every map anyway.

I hate alpine peaks, but if I look at my W/L ratio it's actually about average. I can muddle through the map just fine, but it doesn't change the fact that I dislike rolling it.

Using that logic we should be able to blacklist mechs. I dont like highlanders so I should be able to blacklist them and not play against them

[Jman5]

Sandpit, on 24 July 2014 - 09:09 AM, said:

Using that logic we should be able to blacklist mechs. I dont like highlanders so I should be able to blacklist them and not play against them

Limited map filters exist in nearly every multiplayer game in existence. This is not some slippery slope feature where we will eventually reach some point where you're only ever fighting locusts without any weapons equipped on river city night. It is a tried and true feature that is common across games because most players like the choice.

You can't argue that having a 1-map filter is bad because having a mech filter is bad. Those are two separate issues with entirely different arguments to be made. Plus the implications are very different.

We have game-mode filters right now. Has the game teetered off the brink? No. Most people search "any" some people filter it a little more. The world keeps turning just as it would with a 1-map filter.

I'm fairly certain this will come eventually because it really is such a common feature in multiplayer games. When it does I expect it will quickly become a non-issue for many of the naysayers here.

[CDLord HHGD]

Sandpit, on 24 July 2014 - 09:09 AM, said:

Using that logic we should be able to blacklist mechs. I dont like highlanders so I should be able to blacklist them and not play against them

Yeah, where do I sign up not to have to deal with the FLD meta??

[Bigbacon]

jaxjace, on 23 July 2014 - 08:24 PM, said:

Honestly why the hell not? Who actually LIKES therma?

Also alpine is broken. River city is broken, Forrest colony is straight up too small.

The only fun maps are HPG Frozen River(and its broke!) and Straight and they are getting old.

i like therma..

the thing that makes maps suck is that no one wants to do anything except the same old crap. therma has so much space and cover to go in and out of but no one notices....to the center to thump n hump

might have fun on maps if people just try new things and use other areas of the maps.

Edited by Bigbacon, 24 July 2014 - 09:44 AM.

[Sandpit]

Jman5, on 24 July 2014 - 09:32 AM, said:

Limited map filters exist in nearly every multiplayer game in existence. This is not some slippery slope feature where we will eventually reach some point where you're only ever fighting locusts without any weapons equipped on river city night. It is a tried and true feature that is common across games because most players like the choice.

You can't argue that having a 1-map filter is bad because having a mech filter is bad. Those are two separate issues with entirely different arguments to be made. Plus the implications are very different.

We have game-mode filters right now. Has the game teetered off the brink? No. Most people search "any" some people filter it a little more. The world keeps turning just as it would with a 1-map filter.

I'm fairly certain this will come eventually because it really is such a common feature in multiplayer games. When it does I expect it will quickly become a non-issue for many of the naysayers here.

I'm not "arguing" anything. I'm pointing out the flaw in your logic.
I don't like a map
I should be able to blacklist it

I don't like a mech
I should be able to blacklist it

There's zero difference in those examples

[Wolfways]

627, on 23 July 2014 - 10:02 PM, said:

Hey we found one of the five players who likes that map

I used to hate Terra Therma and Frozen City...until we got HPG Manifold. I hate that map more than any map i've ever seen in any game, ever. I'd never just quit out of a match, but that map brings me closest to wanting to do it

[Bront]

map voting or actual scenarios where you knew the map ahead of time would be a better idea than the full on ability to block/ignore a map.

Why?

1) Folks complain about the matchmaker (still). Imagine if it now had another thing it had to juggle?
2) Imagine a group drop where, between everyone in the group, no map would be allowed.
3) There aren't a lot of maps as it is. Suddenly several maps would become less likely to be played, with only the popular ones receiving regular play.

Voting bypasses this by letting you voice your opinion, and reducing the likelihood that you'll drop on a map you don't want to, but not eliminating it entirely from your rotation, as well as gives you a feeling of more control over where you drop.

Scenarios bypass this by letting you select the scenario you want to take part in. Hate Alpine? Well, avoid any conflict that involves that map.

Scenarios are more likely coming and probably sooner than voting (which is fine, as it means there's community warfare), but neither is likely happening before nearing the end of the year.