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[Wolfways]

Yokaiko, on 25 July 2014 - 03:35 PM, said:

How many people are going to want to run around mechs with a 1/3 of the cooling they need and two tons of ammo at most.

.........might be like 10, but I'd wager it would get boring pretty fast.

You mean like the current game has become boring. Although tbh it's the customization that ruins the game for me. It's not "A BattleTech Game" if you have all customized mechs. I never knew anyone who allowed more than one custom mech on a side in TT.

Besides, options are always good. Even if you split the queues it might encourage more people to play. I know i'd play a hell of a lot more if i could just PUG drop in a Stock match mode.

The only reason i see for PGI not doing it is that players might start wanting it balanced better (i.e. heat and ammo counts) but that's nothing different to the game now.

I just want to turn a corner into an Atlas and get that "Oh ****!" moment, not the usual "Oh an Atlas. *dakka dakka*...it's dead"

Edited by Wolfways, 26 July 2014 - 06:28 AM.

[Wolfways]

Roland, on 25 July 2014 - 03:47 PM, said:

Having a stock game mode, especially one where it takes whatever variant you have selected and reverts it to stock for the duration of the match, would be very cool.

That second part there, about reverting the mech to stock, is pretty key.. because I don't really feel like manually doing it.

But not doing that promotes buying more mechs...

[Jack Corban]

Wolfways, on 26 July 2014 - 06:08 AM, said:

But not doing that promotes buying more mechs...

They just payed 18 Million $ for the rights to the Battletech Franchise to Microsoft. Who do you think gave them that money. I bought Legendary Founders, all Phoenix mechs, all Clan Mechs, and the biggest available MC package. Thats around 600 $ That came out of my pocket to finance this. What did you pay so far ?

Sorry if i'm lashing out at you like this but i am really sick of all the people going into defensive mode for PGI.
That make it sound like as if PGI for once does somthing nice for its core community (You know the guys that funded this Game) they'd instantly go bankrupt and this game ceases to exist.
On the otherhand if i missread your intentions please correct me.

They Have plenty of money.

I guess what i'm trying to get at here is yes if they don't allow you to use your mechs in 2 ways Stock and General Queue thats simply a dickmove on their end and has no financial backed necessity.

Edited by Jack Corban, 26 July 2014 - 07:09 AM.

[Wolfways]

Jack Corban, on 26 July 2014 - 06:50 AM, said:

Are you some sort of financial advisor of PGI. Did they hire you to make sure you keep track on their monetary gains ? They just payed 18 Million $ for the rights to the Battletech Franchise to Microsoft. Who do you think gave them that money. I bought Legendary Founders, all Phoenix mechs, all Clan Mechs, and the biggest available MC package. Thats around 600 $ That came out of my pocket to finance this. What did you pay so far ?

Sorry if i'm lashing out at you like this but i am really sick of all the people going into defensive mode for PGI.
That make it sound like as if PGI for once does somthing nice for its core community (You know the guys that funded this Game) they'd instantly go bankrupt and this game ceases to exist.
On the otherhand if i missread your intentions please correct me.

They Have plenty of money.

I guess what i'm trying to get at here is yes if they don't allow you to use your mechs in 2 ways Stock and General Queue thats simply a dickmove on their end and has no financial backed necessity.

lol i rarely defend PGI. I'm usually on the other side of the fence

I'm just saying that i don't see anything wrong with having to buy stock mechs. Like if there was a "Stock-Only" button next to the mech that if you checked it you could never customize that mech once you bought it for C-Bills. I know most people would probably complain about "being forced to buy more mechs" even though the game really needs a money sink.

Tbh though i'd probably not play anything else (I use nearly stock mechs now in PUGs) and i'd be willing to buy stock-only mechs for MC/cash.

Also imo, it's about time PGI did something for the core, or "BT fans".

[Henree]

if there was an incentive to use stock mechs, or non alpha mechs then we would see them more often.
like re-arm and repair used to do, lost that gauss gun? well you will need to earn a new one first.
also if you re not heat efficient you can not fire/alpha as often which leads to longer battles, more a thinking
man's battle LOL

[Pjwned]

Wolfways, on 26 July 2014 - 07:10 AM, said:

lol i rarely defend PGI. I'm usually on the other side of the fence

I'm just saying that i don't see anything wrong with having to buy stock mechs. Like if there was a "Stock-Only" button next to the mech that if you checked it you could never customize that mech once you bought it for C-Bills. I know most people would probably complain about "being forced to buy more mechs" even though the game really needs a money sink.

Tbh though i'd probably not play anything else (I use nearly stock mechs now in PUGs) and i'd be willing to buy stock-only mechs for MC/cash.

Also imo, it's about time PGI did something for the core, or "BT fans".

They could just offer some mech bays for a huge amount of c-bills, that would be a plenty big moneysink and wouldn't be needlessly annoying for people that would want a stock mech queue.

[Sandpit]

Prezimonto, on 26 July 2014 - 04:55 AM, said:

I'd agree with you if we could earn rewards in private matches. I don't play much outside of stock nights because outside of a brief stint with clan mechs the main game just isn't much fun anymore. I'm looking for reason to play again, like many people. Stock games are significantly more satisfying because you're much less likely to get obliterated in 3 seconds, and when you bring a mech down you really feel you accomplished something.

The reason I suggested the method I did is that it will appeal to less players at any one time, with a hard limit on the types of mechs present. I would pose a way for the devs to bring ALL the various types of matches into the game 2 or 3 a patch: want a "mercenary scout" battle? ie custom lights? okay... for a few weeks. Want 3020 historical battle? Okay for a few weeks. So any given patch would see us with a small sub-set of possible special choices, taking far less players out of queue than an entire new generic queue.

Add that Achievements shouldn't be possible in these types of matches. Anyway I understand you not wanting a queue split because you're on the edge of not having fun, many of us asking for this have already reached that point.

It's not that I don't want it, it's a matter of I don't see it being feasible for the reasons I pointed out

[Tezcatli]

If you get a stock mode. I hope your realize the queues will have a massive wait time.

[Sandpit]

Tezcatli, on 26 July 2014 - 09:27 AM, said:

If you get a stock mode. I hope your realize the queues will have a massive wait time.

ANY new queue would do that. It's time for people to start looking at private matches in my opinion as that's the exact reason they were implemented. That's another reason I just don't see PGI adding more queues like this.

[VanillaG]

Wolfways, on 26 July 2014 - 06:08 AM, said:

But not doing that promotes buying more mechs...

Stock mode would actually encourage buying more mechs since you are locked to the base stats. The only way to swap out weapons is buy a different variant.

[VanillaG]

Sandpit, on 26 July 2014 - 09:51 AM, said:

ANY new queue would do that. It's time for people to start looking at private matches in my opinion as that's the exact reason they were implemented. That's another reason I just don't see PGI adding more queues like this.

The mode does not need to be queue, at least initially. Having the game engine actually revert/enforce the stock loadouts makes it trivial to expose as a queue at a later date. I think that what most people are asking for is this type of functionality to built in and not necessarily having it exposed as queue at this time.

[Sandpit]

VanillaG, on 26 July 2014 - 12:51 PM, said:

The mode does not need to be queue, at least initially. Having the game engine actually revert/enforce the stock loadouts makes it trivial to expose as a queue at a later date. I think that what most people are asking for is this type of functionality to built in and not necessarily having it exposed as queue at this time.

Do you have any idea how much that would take? You would expect server to enforce stock rules from customized mechs? Again, you're now asking for a mode instead of queue, use private matches. It's right there perfectly available for this kind of stuff

[VanillaG]

Sandpit, on 27 July 2014 - 06:37 AM, said:

Do you have any idea how much that would take? You would expect server to enforce stock rules from customized mechs? Again, you're now asking for a mode instead of queue, use private matches. It's right there perfectly available for this kind of stuff

LIke I said earlier in the thread:

VanillaG said:

As Roland pointed out, at the point you inject your mech loadout into the match you put a check in to see if it is stock mode. If it is stock mode, load the stock loadout and if it is not load your custom loadout. The idea is that once you purchase the mech you can revert it to stock mode if the match requires it. There is no need to reconfigure the mech and deal with inventory.

The basic premise is that you could always drop in stock loadout regardless of if you have the actual inventory to outfit it back to stock. Since the server is maintaining the stock loadouts it becomes trivial to drop in stock mode. You get to play your already purchased mechs in a different mode with the minimal amount of effort.

As for hard this it to implement, without knowing how all of this code it is laid out it impossible to know how difficult. All PGI would needs to do is maintain the stock loadouts in the database and write the functionality to retrieve the appropriate config, stock or custom, at the time the config is loaded into the match. Ideally there is a function called GetMechConfig that can modified to contain all of this logic but there is no way to know.

[Sandpit]

VanillaG, on 27 July 2014 - 07:01 AM, said:

LIke I said earlier in the thread:

The basic premise is that you could always drop in stock loadout regardless of if you have the actual inventory to outfit it back to stock. Since the server is maintaining the stock loadouts it becomes trivial to drop in stock mode. You get to play your already purchased mechs in a different mode with the minimal amount of effort.

As for hard this it to implement, without knowing how all of this code it is laid out it impossible to know how difficult. All PGI would needs to do is maintain the stock loadouts in the database and write the functionality to retrieve the appropriate config, stock or custom, at the time the config is loaded into the match. Ideally there is a function called GetMechConfig that can modified to contain all of this logic but there is no way to know.

for every single variant for every single player.

again, use private matches, that's exactly what they were created for. You can't add a queue every time a player wants to play a certain way. Do you ahve any idea how many queues there would be?
Judging by the last couple of weeks there would be at LEAST 5 more queues added. So this mode is "better" than those and deserves its own queue over them because....?

[VanillaG]

Sandpit, on 27 July 2014 - 08:48 AM, said:

for every single variant for every single player.

again, use private matches, that's exactly what they were created for. You can't add a queue every time a player wants to play a certain way. Do you ahve any idea how many queues there would be?
Judging by the last couple of weeks there would be at LEAST 5 more queues added. So this mode is "better" than those and deserves its own queue over them because....?

You only need the variant defined once because by definition every player would use the same variant. Just like they track xp per variant regardless of configuration, you only need one stock config per variant that would be used to load the specs into the match

This would be a feature for private matches and doesn't need to be a separate queue. Just like you can define which map or what mode you want to play you can specify whether everyone should be in stock configuration. Making it easier to play stock mechs gives the game an entire new perspective. Making it less cumbersome to switch between custom and stock means that players can a difference experience with the mechs that they have already purchased. It switches the tactics around because almost all mechs have downsides that need to be accounted for.

[Sandpit]

VanillaG, on 27 July 2014 - 01:03 PM, said:

You only need the variant defined once because by definition every player would use the same variant. Just like they track xp per variant regardless of configuration, you only need one stock config per variant that would be used to load the specs into the match

This would be a feature for private matches and doesn't need to be a separate queue. Just like you can define which map or what mode you want to play you can specify whether everyone should be in stock configuration. Making it easier to play stock mechs gives the game an entire new perspective. Making it less cumbersome to switch between custom and stock means that players can a difference experience with the mechs that they have already purchased. It switches the tactics around because almost all mechs have downsides that need to be accounted for.

ok that's a different story then. I think it would make thigns easier for some of the leagues out there

[General Taskeen]

Sandpit, on 26 July 2014 - 09:51 AM, said:

ANY new queue would do that. It's time for people to start looking at private matches in my opinion as that's the exact reason they were implemented. That's another reason I just don't see PGI adding more queues like this.

Eh, still not fair to players that refuse to play Solaris Mode. I refuse to have play Solaris Mode and play meta just to earn "c-bills."

We want to "earn" while playing Classic BattleTech while playing against Classic BattleMech designs, the way its meant to be.

Any other arguments about splittings queues are null and void, since it could potentially be a positive thing for the game and help it grow.

Edited by General Taskeen, 27 July 2014 - 02:59 PM.

[Jack Corban]

General Taskeen, on 27 July 2014 - 02:56 PM, said:

Eh, still not fair to players that refuse to play Solaris Mode. I refuse to have play Solaris Mode and play meta just to earn "c-bills."

We want to "earn" while playing Classic BattleTech while playing against Classic BattleMech designs, the way its meant to be.

Any other arguments about splittings queues are null and void, since it could potentially be a positive thing for the game and help it grow.

This! So many times THIS!

[Sandpit]

General Taskeen, on 27 July 2014 - 02:56 PM, said:

Eh, still not fair to players that refuse to play Solaris Mode. I refuse to have play Solaris Mode and play meta just to earn "c-bills."

We want to "earn" while playing Classic BattleTech while playing against Classic BattleMech designs, the way its meant to be.

Any other arguments about splittings queues are null and void, since it could potentially be a positive thing for the game and help it grow.

uhm

so everyone who wants a separate queue
(lights only, stock only, casual group, competitive group just to name a few) should get their own queue?
What makes a stock queue more deserving than those others that players have asked for on the forums?
What happens when every small group out there that wants their own queue gets one?

[Joseph Mallan]

Sandpit, on 27 July 2014 - 05:27 PM, said:

uhm

so everyone who wants a separate queue
(lights only, stock only, casual group, competitive group just to name a few) should get their own queue?
What makes a stock queue more deserving than those others that players have asked for on the forums?
What happens when every small group out there that wants their own queue gets one?

Your answer