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[DarthPeanut]

UBCslayer, on 06 August 2014 - 11:50 AM, said:

Correct... some matches are Clan vs. Clan, while others are Clan vs. IS. I have yet to be in a IS vs IS match, but half the mechs would probably just run around in circles while trying to figure out firing groups so not much data for PGI in that case.

2nd match they are on now since patching is Clan vs IS.

Yea, seems teams are segregated but can be still playing against their own respective Clan/ IS mechs on the opposing team.

[Tiamat of the Sea]

Wrenchfarm, on 06 August 2014 - 11:36 AM, said:

Can't believe people are still sticking to this line.

You're not seeing 0-12 wipes because the IS is stuck with a trial mech or two on their side. You're seeing it because Clan tech is unarguably better at everything and only available behind a pay wall.

I am not in any way saying that experience is the only thing accounting for the discrepancy. That you read that into my post is your problem, not mine.

Edited by Quickdraw Crobat, 06 August 2014 - 11:56 AM.

[Tarys]

hopefully you guys aint getting an error when removing this "clanplayer needs to push his kills/wins" event ... i just got something that i would call fun after a lot of time and am getting better in terms of my k/d ratio (yes i still use mostly lightmechs)

would be a shame if the players who didnt buy clanmechs for real money have to suffer under the current imbalance (at least from my point of view each clanmech can be counted as 2 is-mechs or at least as being in a way higher tonnage than it really is)

but on the other hand ... i somehow expected a different implentation of the clanners ... maybe something like npc mechs getting into random battles and bringing death to both playerteams or players getting randomly chosen to use clanmechs instead of their selected is mechs. and of course i expected warfare to be there for a long time

[Colonel Tequila]

Ok so Matckmaking times are upwards of 5 minutes now just to have IS/Clan vs Clan/IS.

Either lock the teams so they can only drop is or clan.

Can't see you (PGI) getting valuable metrics from this......

I'll be waiting for the hotfix that removes this BS testing.

Kthanks.

[Heffay]

Cathy, on 06 August 2014 - 11:17 AM, said:

all good but why no mention of the terrible desync not even a looking into it, not much point trying out isvclan balancing if people are bouncing about like balls in squash court

They've mentioned it a number of times, and have already come out with a hot fix for some of the causes. "No mention" isn't accurate at all.

[C E Dwyer]

saw one person reconnect, but now I'm having to use task manager to shut down the game after I click the exit button

Heffay, on 06 August 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

They've mentioned it a number of times, and have already come out with a hot fix for some of the causes. "No mention" isn't accurate at all.

where was this I didn't see one here on the forums

[Griggio]

First drop Clan vs. IS.........12-2 the Clanners take it. I couldn't tell if it was the tech or the players though. The opposing team put themselves into a really bad spot on HPG.

Second drop was a stomp as well, but that was definitely bad positioning. Standing in places where there's minimal cover and staying in one place too long allowing flanks to happen.

I could definitely see 10-12 drops bringing things more in line instead of piling on more nerfs........really the last thing we need is more nerfs.

[DerBernd]

Sorry to say that but in this form CLAN vs IS is absolutely nonsense and unbalanced in PUG games.
Clan win in 4 out of 5 games with 10 mechs alive and the last one they win with 7 alive ...
Please reset to mixed matches ...
Thank you

[DustySkunk]

InnerSphereNews, on 06 August 2014 - 10:47 AM, said:

GreetingsMechWarriors,



OurTechnicians are hard at work on the latest Hot-Fix for MWO, releasing latertoday at 12 Noon PDT, 3PM EDT, 7PM UTC.


Thishot-fix should take approximately 15 minutes to deploy and for our team tosmoke test.



The purposeof this update is to introduce fixes to a few bugs:

• Players becoming stuck in an infinite Searching for Match screen should be resolved.
  
• Players being sent back to the MechLab after the Match Loading screen should be resolved.
  
• Knockon bug: Players sent back to the Mechlab and being unable to rejoin a match should be resolved.

• Theend-result of this fix should mitigate situations where players would encounter“0-ping” users in-game.

After thehot-fix we intend to enable Clan vs. IS matchmaking temporarily today for thepurposes of collecting balance and matchmaking data.

Please letus know how the hot-fix and matchmaker works for you!

Glad to hear about the bug fixes and glad for the heads up about the IS vs Clan matchups. Good communication and development progress is exactly the kind of thing MWO needs.

Keep this up and I might become a believer again

[UBCslayer]

I would like to give props to guys like Jman and Mcgral18 who continue to pilot IS mechs on the losing end of the clan mech stomps... they actually got a couple kills against us last round on frozen city. Keep up it gents, that`s noble work you`re doing.

[Norbaer HALL]

StalaggtIKE, on 06 August 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

IS vs Clan for solo queue only? And will it be 12 vs 10?

Sadly the Clans also have 12 mechs in 3 lances instead of beeing organiced in stars with 5 mechs

Just played my first solo game since the hotfix and we lost with 12 v 2 kills against the Clans
2nd solo game was IS v IS which we lost 12 v 8
3rd solo game was IS v IS which we won 7 v 9 because of gathering enough resources
4th solo game was IS v IS which we lost 11 v 8 because of enemy capping our base
5th solo game was IS v IS which we lost 12 v 3
6th solo game was IS v IS which we won 5 v 12
7th solo game was Clan v IS which we lost 12 v 2 again
8th solo game was IS v IS which we won 5 v 12

I think restricting the Clans to 10 ( 2 x 5 ) instead of the 12 ( 3 x 4 ) would be a good idea, not only because of BattleTech Lore but also as ONE factor to balance the game !
On the other hand you could rise to 3 x 5 for Clan v Clan as long as no IS mechs are involved ... unless 30 players in a game is too much for your meek servers
Currently it looks like the Clans would need a 5 ( 1 x 5 ) v 12 Handicap for a balanced game, but as soon as there are TRIAL CLAN mechs available for new players and Clan mechs can be bought for Cbills not only VETERANS will be able to field Clan mechs !

Edited by Norbaer HALL, 06 August 2014 - 02:16 PM.

[UBCslayer]

If anyone actually witnesses a single IS team beating a full clan team, please take a screen shot and post in this thread.

I have a feeling this request is like asking someone to post a photo of a living dodo bird or some other extinct species.

[Injaneer]

I don't understand all the crying. I don't even own any clan mechs, and I don't really have a problem with them. Just seems to me to be a whole lot of crying over nothing.

Devs, thank you for the work. I for one was happy to see that it is supposed to be IS vs Clan today. As an IS mech pilot.

[DasSibby]

Yes! DIE CLANNERS.

Totally looking forward to trying this matchmaking out as soon as I get home from work. Here's hoping it's up for a while!

[DragonsFire]

UBCslayer, on 06 August 2014 - 12:12 PM, said:

If anyone actually witnesses a single IS team beating a full clan team, please take a screen shot and post in this thread.

I have a feeling this request is like asking someone to post a photo of a living dodo bird or some other extinct species.

It's unfortunate, 2 times I've been close but each time I had teammates who just recklessly charged into waiting Clan mechs. The common theme I'm seeing is more related to playstyle of solo queue causing losses. IE - not shooting down UAV's, not using cover against LRM's, splitting up, etc.

[Draal Kaan]

Quit playing for today. No fun at all.
Every time it is IS vs. Clans -> 0:12 for Clans...
I am driving Clan stuff, but that isn't fun.

Only good match was one IS vs. IS in my Protector. It was quite even and fun.

Edited by Draal Kaan, 06 August 2014 - 12:23 PM.

[Madcap72]

Wrenchfarm, on 06 August 2014 - 11:36 AM, said:

Can't believe people are still sticking to this line.

You're not seeing 0-12 wipes because the IS is stuck with a trial mech or two on their side. You're seeing it because Clan tech is unarguably better at everything and only available behind a pay wall.

Going to have to go with this. Most of the players I've observed running clan mechs, especially heavy and assault are actually pretty awful players. I have always attributed it to people who bought in and didn't grind through IS mechs. (The exception is players who buy Clan lights, they are as a whole really freaking good from what I've seen). That being said, Clan tech is SUPPOSED to be more powerful than IS, that is a huge part of the storyline. So the question is, throttle back Clan tech or, start letting out better IS gear as per cannon?

[UBCslayer]

Just had my closest game yet of IS vs. Clans... only won 12-4 win for Clans on River City. Of course we had a DC and a couple Badders on our team, but that`s besides the point... 4 kills is 4 kills. Now as to the discussion we were having in game chat, if anyone else wants to continue it here I will gladly do so with you regarding the importance of not only the clan mechs but the pilots themselves driving them.

Madcap72, on 06 August 2014 - 12:25 PM, said:

Going to have to go with this. Most of the players I've observed running clan mechs, especially heavy and assault are actually pretty awful players. I have always attributed it to people who bought in and didn't grind through IS mechs. (The exception is players who buy Clan lights, they are as a whole really freaking good from what I've seen). That being said, Clan tech is SUPPOSED to be more powerful than IS, that is a huge part of the storyline. So the question is, throttle back Clan tech or, start letting out better IS gear as per cannon?

Perhaps the most absurd comment I`ve read in this thread today, and I`ve read some pretty bad ones.

[P5YCO]

UBCslayer, on 06 August 2014 - 12:12 PM, said:

If anyone actually witnesses a single IS team beating a full clan team, please take a screen shot and post in this thread.

I have a feeling this request is like asking someone to post a photo of a living dodo bird or some other extinct species.

I had one a couple of matches ago, but it was close

[Ashvins]

OK enough is enough, roll this clan vs IS **** YES i SAID **** back NOW. 7 drops so far, 2 I.S. vs I.S. split decision on those 2. the other 5 IS vs Clans 4 ended 0/12 1 ended 1/12. Enough !!!

CLANS are way OP to IS anyone could have told you that, you don't need to torture us this way to know that. You want to know the IS vs Clan ratio try 8 I.S. vs 5 Clan. A 12 I.S. vs 10 clan will result in most matches going to clan. It's not quite a 2 to 1 ratio but damm close.

So roll this garbage back or give me preimum time equal to however long you insist on keeping this garbage up. I do not own a single Clan mech so I'm loosing most matches without a hope of wining and burning preimum time.

You want to play these games do it on the test server thats what it is for. Stop scrwewing your PAYING customers to figure this out.