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[NovaFury]

At least the atlas is able to twist and soak damage with it's favorably sized arms.

[Budor]

Direwolf is better in every way by a large margin all it lacks is ECM compared to the DDC.

[Khobai]

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At least the atlas is able to twist and soak damage with it's favorably sized arms.

Conversely the Dire Wolf keeps mechs suppressed with its massive firepower. The Dire Wolf's best defense is its offense.

[Odins Fist]

BaronBastardKiller, on 08 August 2014 - 07:28 PM, said:

already did actually... I plowed u X)

NO, you didn't, now go get your shine box.

[Xarian]

An Atlas will beat a Dire Wolf 1v1 in a close-range firefight as long as the Atlas is running a decent-sized engine. The Dire Wolf doesn't have any arm swivel and has the slowest torso rotation of any mech. If the Atlas comes at the Dire Wolf from the front, he's dead; conversely, if the Atlas comes at the Dire Wolf from the sides or rear, the Atlas will probably win. The Atlas is a ballerina compared to the Dire Wolf. The absolute worst thing you can do is sit still and trade fire; the Dire Wolf wins all DPS races - that's what it was designed to do.

This is from experience piloting both mechs.

[wanderer]

Dire Wolves have better firepower, but more trouble bringing it to bear against a mobile opponent. And a gun you can't hit with is a useless gun.

That Atlai tend to be brutal up close means that even a brief amount of time with one firing and the other not can equal a crippled Dire Wolf vs a damaged Atlas that's shredded whatever dared getting into SRM range- because it was able to get it's guns into firing position more often and more easily.

[Khobai]

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An Atlas will beat a Dire Wolf 1v1 in a close-range firefight

No it wont. An Atlas doesnt even come close to a Dire Wolf in 1v1 at ANY range. It has half the guns, inferior pinpoint damage, and worse heat efficiency. Not to mention the range disadvantage and the fact the Atlas is one of the worst knuckledraggers in the game with its low hardpoints.

The only Dire Wolves youre beating 1v1 in your Atlas are terrible Dire Wolves piloted by bads. Literally the only two advantages the Atlas has are that it goes 5 kph faster and has ECM. The Dire Wolf is better in every other way.

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The Dire Wolf doesn't have any arm swivel

Except it can. You can put a lower arm actuator on the right arm and get left to right movement. As long as your large weapons are all in the left arm.

Besides the D-DC only has one energy in each arm so its far from having any kindve arm weapon advantage over the Dire Wolf. The Dire Wolf far surpasses the Atlas D-DC when it comes to arm weapons.

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conversely, if the Atlas comes at the Dire Wolf from the sides or rear, the Atlas will probably win

If an Atlas ever sneaks up on you from the sides or rear, you clearly either werent paying attention, or did something very wrong. That will rarely or never happen to a player that possesses adequate situational awareness and the slightest shred of common sense. Unfortunately there are a lot of bad players that have neither.

But yes in general when you sneak up on other mechs you will win. Even a Jagermech that gets the drop on a Direwolf will likely win. Part of playing a Direwolf well, or any slow mech for that matter, is anticipating what direction the enemy will be coming from and making sure they dont get the drop on you. And its really not that difficult to position yourself so that can never happen.

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Dire Wolves have better firepower, but more trouble bringing it to bear against a mobile opponent.

Atlases dont exactly qualify as mobile opponents though. A Dire Wolf has absolutely zero problems keeping an Atlas in its sights regardless of how big an engine the Atlas has.

The mech that probably counters the Dire Wolf the best right now is the Timber Wolf. Because it has the agility to stay out of the Dire Wolf's sights and the firepower to threaten it. Certain light mechs like the Ember can also do well against Dire Wolves although theres zero margin for error.

Edited by Khobai, 14 August 2014 - 03:23 PM.

[FDJustin]

They're both too agile. There, I said it.

[Ph30nix]

Love people blaming the chassi when its the weapon weight that allows the dashi to carry so many weapons.

Even so it cant use them all very much without overheating

My fav build is my 2x guass 2x ERLL and 6xERML
i do most of my damage with my gauss and ERLL, in a prolonged firefight i can only use those ERML ONCE before i have to cool off for a few seconds then i can fire a second time, after that i cannot use the ERML until i am allowed to cooldown. During that time i can only use the 2LL and 2 Gauss, on very hot maps even the LL are limited and i have an even bigger delay between my 2 salvos.

So yea i can carry 10 weapons, but it doesnt give me massive dps, i can occasionally throw out a mean smash but if i miss god am i screwed. And even my Burst isnt that great due to the massive beam durations.

SO try this, go to smurfy, build the best builds for the atlas, look at the firepower and the DPS, then go build a direwolf and its best build/builds, and then look at the DPS
that gives you a pretty good measure of how powerful it is because thats a decent measure of how much damage it can dish out over a continuous time frame. THe differnces i got was for the atlas builds were getting about 5.3 the direwolf around 5.5-5.8 but thats with the increased beam duration so you have to make sure you dont miss.
I will say the Daka whale can get about 11dps, but it also only gets a 30pnt alpha which requires it to be exposed that much more and has limited ammo has a good amount of spread as well and has to worry about jamming.
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[Alymbic]

Not going to get too into it, but I pilot my dakka wolf almost exclusively these days. I know not of an Atlas which has been able to take me on from fresh in a 1v1 scenario. I don't really know of anything capable to wipe me so easily (apart from a NARC + LRM storm).

[Ph30nix]

Alymbic, on 14 August 2014 - 03:40 PM, said:

Not going to get too into it, but I pilot my dakka wolf almost exclusively these days. I know not of an Atlas which has been able to take me on from fresh in a 1v1 scenario. I don't really know of anything capable to wipe me so easily (apart from a NARC + LRM storm).

yea thats the one build of the direwolf that is a full frontal killer, but any direwolf you shouldnt be getrin in a face to face fight with.

Edited by Ph30nix, 14 August 2014 - 03:56 PM.

[Heeden]

Assuming I don't run face first into it (which would probably be the death of my Centurion whether it's an Atlas or a DW) I would much rather fight a Direwolf than an Atlas.

[headbasher]

Giving the pilots equal skill the worst thing an Atlas can see is a Direwhale looking back at them , besides god**** lights swarming you that is. I just got my Dw a few days ago and own/owned different atlai and there is no weapon configuration really that an DW cant do much better . Missiles I guess an atlas would be close but any other is a total blowout

[The Dreaded Baron B Killer]

Odins Fist, on 09 August 2014 - 02:58 PM, said:

NO, you didn't, now go get your shine box.

hate to bruise your ego but I did...

was on Canyon Network. was only you and another mech left on your team.

you were in a corner firing an ERPPC at me from a fair distance, since I was on higher ground and had cover, and i was avoiding it and firing 2xUAC5 at you. tore you up pretty good so you decided to run off... as you ran off I plowed you some more, then a light came in and killsteal'd you.

X)

[Odins Fist]

BaronBastardKiller, on 14 August 2014 - 08:03 PM, said:

hate to bruise your ego but I did...

was on Canyon Network. was only you and another mech left on your team.

you were in a corner firing an ERPPC at me from a fair distance, since I was on higher ground and had cover, and i was avoiding it and firing 2xUAC5 at you. tore you up pretty good so you decided to run off... as you ran off I plowed you some more, then a light came in and killsteal'd you.

X)

LOLZ.. ok... I still don't remember you ingame.

Congradulations must have made your day if true.

[Prezimonto]

Jake 451, on 07 August 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:

I am hearing talk that the Dire Wolf is too powerful and that changes may be made to tone it down a bit. I don't have one but I want to get one as it looks like a fun mech to use with all that punch. One thing I have to say is that I am afraid of Dire Wolfs.....I think that is a good thing as we should be afraid of a 100 ton mech! This takes me to the Atlas.....I hate to say it but if I am not afraid of coming up against an Atlas, I don't always come out on the winning end but I know with a few good hits I can put them out of the fight very quickly. Maybe the Atlas needs to be toughened up a bit to make it the feared mech that it should be. I have a couple of Atlas DDCs and I was very disappointed to lose the 3rd module slot that I could use as I liked to run Hill Climb, Improved Gyros and Seismic. I was running Radar Deprivation instead of Hill Climb when that came out. Now I have to give up something else. The DDC just doesn't cut it anymore. I am hoping with all the new Quirks and tweaks they are doing with the IS mechs that they are adding to them and not Nerfing them. Guess it turned into a bit of a rant but I do like my IS mechs but it seems they are getting nerfed all the time when I get a loadout that I like!

Play Stock mech Monday/Wednesday matches. The Atlas is TERRIFYING to run into in Stock matches. Whole lances of smaller have to rally to bring one down, and usually suffer casualties.

Edited by Prezimonto, 14 August 2014 - 08:12 PM.

[themoob]

Dire Wolves are slow and have terrible hitboxes. Even Stalkers with 15 less tons can deal with them.

[Kaspirikay]

I keep saying, the Atlas is still the best Assault mech. When I'm using my Atlas, I'm not afraid of any clan mech let alone the Direwolf. I can twist and deal a massive amount of damage upfront. While the Direwolf must look at me to do max damage.

I run a DDC with 2 LL, AC20 and 2 SRM6.

[The Dreaded Baron B Killer]

Odins Fist, on 14 August 2014 - 08:08 PM, said:

LOLZ.. ok... I still don't remember you ingame.

Congradulations must have made your day if true.

couldn't care less to be honest, you're the one who made the childish remark earlier about how effective your build was if I ever came across you.. I did and your build didn't fare too well...

[Johnny Reb]

My mixed atlas lrms/lasers laugh at your notions!