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[CHH Badkarma]

this change was just to shut us up.
keep it up until it is fully reversed

[Skull Leader2]

So tried the PPCs....might as well consider it a 300m weapon because it takes forever and a day to reach its 540 m mark.

[Kelenas]

Tichorius Davion, on 08 August 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

-shrug- The forums are like toxic waste dumps. The more I stay away the less I have to digest and sigh at.

Heh, not much has changed in two years to be sure. I just drop by the feedback forums occasionally to watch all the huffing and puffing about never giving PGI money again because of some small balance change or whatever. It's entertaining at least.

[Sandpit]

ENS Puskin, on 08 August 2014 - 04:25 PM, said:

Which? Give me link.

http://mwomercs.com/...ctive-feedback/

[Gorgo7]

MischiefSC, on 08 August 2014 - 04:28 PM, said:

Argue the point, not the person.

Well said!

[DrSlamastika]

BTW still after roll back I have warning triangle, even when I using only 2 C-ERLL on this mech. Or that thing count another one C-LPL to this heat penalty.

BUILD: 2x C-ERLL / 1x C-LPL / 1x C-ERML / 1x UAC20 - - - - - so my question, why the hell its showing me some warning when I am using only 2 lasers of that type?

Edited by DrSlamastika, 08 August 2014 - 04:55 PM.

[Calamus]

Well, at least Russ can realize when you're screwing with things too much. Paul needs a kick in the head methinks.

I still think the changes to the CERLL are excessive, but at least you've rolled one of them back. Get Paul a dictionary and tell him to look up the words 'subtle', 'incremental', and 'gradual'.

[Bilbo]

DrSlamastika, on 08 August 2014 - 04:51 PM, said:

BTW still after roll back its look me warning triangle even when I using only 2 C-ERLL on this mech. Or that thing count another one C-LPL to this heat penalty.

BUILD: 2x C-ERLL / 1x C-LPL / 1x C-ERML / 1x UAC20 - - - - - so my question, why the hell its showing me some warning when I am using only 2 lasers of that type?

LL and LPL are linked, as they have always been.

Edited by Bilbo, 08 August 2014 - 04:53 PM.

[Mystere]

Skull Leader2, on 08 August 2014 - 04:49 PM, said:

So tried the PPCs....might as well consider it a 300m weapon because it takes forever and a day to reach its 540 m mark.

Huh? It should only take 0.568 (ERPPC) or 0.635(PPC) seconds to reach 540 meters.

Edited by Mystere, 08 August 2014 - 04:55 PM.

[Rashhaverak]

This is a relief. I hope you continue to find ways to balance the game that keeps stock builds legitimate and maintains the character of the game.

Thanks for having the character and courage to change your minds.

[Sandpit]

Calamus, on 08 August 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

Well, at least Russ can realize when you're screwing with things too much. Paul needs a kick in the head methinks.

I still think the changes to the CERLL are excessive, but at least you've rolled one of them back. Get Paul a dictionary and tell him to look up the words 'subtle', 'incremental', and 'gradual'.

please don't fall for it. This is just good cop bad cop

I explained exactly how this would all play out last night. It's no surprise. The CERLL nerf was intentionally made to be far too drastic. It was never intended to stay in game. It was just to draw attention away from PPC nerf. ow many people do you see jumping for joy that Russ "listened" to them that have completely forgotten about the horrible PPC nerf...?

[DrSlamastika]

Bilbo, on 08 August 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

LL and LPL are linked, as they have always been.

THX thats a new info for me.

Edited by DrSlamastika, 08 August 2014 - 05:02 PM.

[Preditor]

Dear PGI,

Why have you done this to me?

Why would you charge me such a steep price to give me early access to clan mechs only to give me a bunch of nearly useless sorry excuses for mechs?

You built a game that rewards only mech builds that can deal high amounts of instant damage and manage their heat easily. This is because of the way inner sphere AC technology currently works, and the supporting energy and missile weapons to go along with them.

Most Clan mechs had only one thing in their favor, the C ER Large Laser, and even with the latest hotfix, you've taken that away. I can't use cover because of the long laser duration, which means getting torn to pieces by enemy fire, and their air strike/artillery.

Exactly what do you expect a Summoner to fight with? It's got so few weapon hard points that running large weapons like CERPPC, CGauss, CERLL, and the like, were it's only viable options. The ballistic weapons carry too few shots per ton, and are so heavy, that there's no space to field enough weaponry to win. Missile lock is impossible to keep with ECM and Radar Deprivation Module, and now with large energy weapons being so high heat there's no room to build successful variants for this mech.

Please, please fix these clan mechs by giving them instant damage to match the IS mechs. Or else, give the IS mechs the same limitations to remove instant damage entirely, so that we all must fight on equal playing fields.

All chassis should be able to win, and the game doesn't work that way right now. Fix this, please.

[SVK Puskin]

Sandpit, on 08 August 2014 - 04:50 PM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...ctive-feedback/

Ah Gauss+PPC combo. To be honest i have nothing against it and they have to react.

[Wispsy]

Preditor, on 08 August 2014 - 05:02 PM, said:

Most Clan mechs had only one thing in their favor, the C ER Large Laser,
All chassis should be able to win, and the game doesn't work that way right now. Fix this, please.

Despite that 90% win rate...the only thing clans had is actually the C ER Large Laser...and it was not overpowered....ok?

[Sandpit]

ENS Puskin, on 08 August 2014 - 05:03 PM, said:

Ah Gauss+PPC combo. To be honest i have nothing against it and they have to react.

nobody has anythign against balancing the weapons

What we have against it is the fact that there are several VIABLE alternatives in that thread that would actualyl fix the FLD and PPD issue but are compeltely ignored for Paul's idea that DOESN'T fix those issues. If nobody had any better ideas? Ok go for it.

But in the face of several ideas that are better? In the face of several ideas that actually fix stuff? No, that's not a matter of "well they had to do something", that's a matter of "they ignored every piece of feedback THEY ASKED FOR"

[Jorgandr]

CERLL is back in line with IS LL now... sort of. 2 second burn time is still beyond ridiculous, but meh.

Regarding PPC's - I don't use them much at all since switching to clan. Far too much heat for such little payoff. I can tell you this though: I can now dodge incoming PPC fire in my Dire Wolf...

Edited by Jorgandr, 08 August 2014 - 05:16 PM.

[SVK Puskin]

Sandpit, on 08 August 2014 - 05:08 PM, said:

nobody has anythign against balancing the weapons

What we have against it is the fact that there are several VIABLE alternatives in that thread that would actualyl fix the FLD and PPD issue but are compeltely ignored for Paul's idea that DOESN'T fix those issues. If nobody had any better ideas? Ok go for it.

But in the face of several ideas that are better? In the face of several ideas that actually fix stuff? No, that's not a matter of "well they had to do something", that's a matter of "they ignored every piece of feedback THEY ASKED FOR"

Not every piece, that is not correct. Ofcourse they have plenty ideas to choose from or they can do it their own way. I think they prefer their own ideas but they have implemented some suggestions from users already.

[Sandpit]

Jorgandr, on 08 August 2014 - 05:15 PM, said:

CERLL is back in line with IS LL now... sort of. 2 second burn time is still beyond ridiculous, but meh.

Regarding PPC's - I don't use them much at all since switching to clan. Far too much heat for such little payoff. I can tell you this though: I can now dodge PPC fire in my Dire Wolf...

not surprising. that's PGI's "balance" for you

Lets take the only Gauss alternative for long range fighting and nerf it to the point where it's useless at long range.

[Malleus011]

Great, now just fix the PPC back.