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[Nicholas Carlyle]

Saxie, on 15 August 2014 - 02:50 PM, said:

I dunno... They've been saying that the game is going to die now for a while.

CW NOT OUT? *crickets
3rd person? PGI LIED MWO DIED
Cool shots? #SAVEMWO
Phoenix mechs CW STILL NOT OUT? N.O.P.E.
The Reddit r/MWO PR disaster? #moregamedying (and yes that was a disaster, however this is for a different thread)



If you were to ask me whats more damaging the Devs or the community I would give the blame to both equally... Yet through all that, we're still here, and game is still going. Look @ how many clan mechs there are. PGI is doing just fine.

*EDIT Forgot the NOPE movement

Well, it's not dead...but it's already more like WoW. On a downward slope.

You can see it on the boards.

[Mycrus]

Blakkstar, on 15 August 2014 - 09:04 AM, said:

This game should have launched as Solaris VII. Literally the entire game would have been designed for them, right down to the maps. CW could use the stable system, with player's House affiliation dropping them into the appropriate stable to begin (kind of like NPC corps from EVE). Then players could form their own stables like clans in any other game. Solaris would also fit perfectly into the F2P marketing model of mech sales, mini-tournaments, flashy paint jobs, etc. And yes, Zellbrigen Stables represents the Clans so they have a presence too.

We coud have all kinds of game modes (1v1 to 12v12 team, deathmatch, duels, King of the Hill, Capture the Flag etc) and it would all make sense in the Solaris game world. Absurdly trying to balance Clan and IS mechs wouldn't be an immediate issue either...since it's Solaris and it doesn't matter.

Then we would get a viable CW, more game modes, and a fun setting, and PGI could then work on developing the Inner Sphere Grand Campaign.

But back to the OP...yeah, if they're still this clueless about play balance two weeks before CW is supposed to launch, it's going to be a mess. There's no real guiding strategy here, they're just making it up as they go along.

They sold the pwomise of an epic game and settled for an arena shooter...

Position at the time™

[Bacl]

I am one of the Legendary founders ( got my name in the credits wohoo.........) and phoenix overlord, well for the latest i bought it, went on vacation for 2 months, ghost heat was well implemented when i came back and guess what, was too late for a refund... My excitement kinda turned into a bitter sour mixture. Well with all this you can be pretty sure the clan pack were about to pass by without me investing a dime in them.

Now, still no CW, balance weapon is seriously lacking , yadda yadda yadda. However since i am a Stalker and jumpjet less mechs in general, the poptart meta was my nail slowly grinding on a blackboard, that mechanic was so broken and stupid ( not to mention it murdered the online play of all the previous MW games) that most of my mechs moving targets for shooting practice. Long story short, they ( once again murdered) ''fixed'' the jumpjets and now no more popcorn fest, i dont fear taking my slow moving bound to the ground mechs because coming across jackasses who pretends having the ''skills'' to jumpsnipe people in the CT are rare now, ITS FUN!

Now i see mech i didnt see in ages, yeah non jumping mechs, and i tough the dragons were extinct... Yes i did invest in a Daishi a la carte because now i enjoy the game like i didnt in years, i know throwing them money for their bad behavior is very stupid but if i have fun i dont mind spending money. The video is 120% right about this fact and i realized it after checking the tape.

I still have hope for this game because the foundation is very solid for a good game but they need to clean out their staff, dont touch the art team these guys are pristine but man Paul / balance team and the other clowns at animation, UI and programing should renew their blood if not change the staff completely.

[ArmandTulsen]

I don't know what's more unfortunate, the current status quo or the fact that PGI ignores complaints because they're mean and full of bile sometimes (even if true) and resumes to serve some more of the Kool-Aid. Guess it's easier to close your eyes and ears, yell lalala and continue to "stay the course" as Gee Dubbya did.

[EgoSlayer]

Sarlic, on 15 August 2014 - 07:24 AM, said:

Greetings,

My apologies for the titled and calling your naive. Please do not be offended as i will explain why i have chosen the title.

<snip>



Thanks for reading. Have a good day sir.

CW isn't supposed to fix any of the issues you mentioned.

CW is supposed to give a reason to play besides team death match or grinding out C-Bills/XP. It's called Feedback Loops.

Will it? Who knows. I hope so, but my hopes are not high on the ability for PGI to execute it.

[Sarlic]

BLOOD WOLF, on 15 August 2014 - 02:27 PM, said:

I love the idea of this thread but lets keep it objective and make it an actual Logical discussion.

For startes this is a &quot;what I feel sorta thread&quot; just like Sandpit's MM thread, which he jumped to all sorts of conclusions and was bashing the MM before it had a chance to defend itself.

I see that is whats happening here. it nice to speculate but at least reserve final judgment after we have seen the phases of CW. What sense or logic does it make to have a final decision based on what you think or feel on something you can not test. Have any of you heard the scientific method?, please use it. Right now we are in the hypothesis stage and we don't have a real basis. Founders should be happy because they are at least getting &quot;what was promised&quot;, So take that for what it is. Don't be a fool and run the mouth, because if it is the opposite of your claim then that makes you look bad.

It is okay to be skeptical but let that be that.

Thanks for your opinion. I hope I'm wrong in the end. I dont care if i look bad actually. But something needs to be done about their behaviour. But i look at their history and their history is not very promising when releasing things.

I would not be surprised if it took more then a year to get CW working while we still have ongoing things which needs a fix.


All i ask what resources are spend on. What's the roadmap of development? What are you currently working on? Show it to me. Transparency. As some blogs pointed out PGI likes to hold much information behind as possible.
It's just not that i dont like the game at all. The game series is good. PGI have a goldmine in their hands. But MW.:LL exposed more of that goldmine then PGI does before it shut down.

Edited by Sarlic, 15 August 2014 - 10:39 PM.

[GalaxyBluestar]

VigilanceHawkwind, on 15 August 2014 - 08:47 AM, said:

The other mechwarrior games are imbalanced as **** cause they were primarily single player. You are getting mixed up cause of nostalgia. Take out the multiplayer component of any other mech warrior title and rate it to MW:O. It ain't even close, those games blew chunks by comparison....and no you can't use player created leagues to support your position.

take everything mwo offers you for a couple o hundereds and realise how little video gaming experience you get compared to previous MW titles.

enjoy your loyalty points.

[Mycrus]

BLOOD WOLF, on 15 August 2014 - 02:27 PM, said:

I love the idea of this thread but lets keep it objective and make it an actual Logical discussion.

For startes this is a "what I feel sorta thread" just like Sandpit's MM thread, which he jumped to all sorts of conclusions and was bashing the MM before it had a chance to defend itself.

I see that is whats happening here. it nice to speculate but at least reserve final judgment after we have seen the phases of CW. What sense or logic does it make to have a final decision based on what you think or feel on something you can not test. Have any of you heard the scientific method?, please use it. Right now we are in the hypothesis stage and we don't have a real basis. Founders should be happy because they are at least getting "what was promised", So take that for what it is. Don't be a fool and run the mouth, because if it is the opposite of your claim then that makes you look bad.

It is okay to be skeptical but let that be that.

enjoy your loyalty points™

[meteorol]

I guess the amount of people grieving over your departure will be somewhat... limited.

Mods, i think it's time to close this one.

[Almond Brown]

orcrist86, on 15 August 2014 - 07:34 AM, said:

It's nice that you have an opinion. Good for you.

I am already excited for when "his MW based game" comes out. It should be ^&*^* awesome right, seeing as he seems to know so much about everything involved in making one.

Can I get a Beta Key for it please....

[Julian Tifflor]

all stop worrying...if cw fails...pgi will never be able to bring any game out again...and it will be their own fault for being just too greedy without delivering anything.

and if it doesnt fail...congratz to a 2y late core element of the game!

[Hoax415]

CW can't even happen. We have 9 maps (you can't use HPG in CW unless you just don't care at all about lore).

So we have the map problem. Which even the most insane gold must now accept is a real thing.

CW will need a much more complex and robust match making system or else what's the point and who here thinks PGI can handle that?

We don't have in-game voice and we MAY have in-game units after 2 years and you can't even create a unit in-game you have to post on the forums that you want to make a unit.

Face it. There is 0% chance they are pulling off any kind of functioning CW and because so many golds will cling to hope and spend MC as long as there is hope you all incentivize PGI not releasing CW at all. Because then people can keep telling themselves it will be amazing and keep buying MC.

If they released what they have for CW right now nobody would be happy. They know it so they just keep putting off dealing with it because PGI doesn't have the talent or the brains to figure out how to make a CW faction resource system and better match making work.

The best they could possibly do is create a scoring system that ties to a colored java map. That's the absolute very best any of us should be pretending PGI can pull off a this time. Exact same gamemodes, exact same MM, exact same everything. Just you declare which planet you want to fight on for which faction and you wait in a longer queue and probably get less balanced games because of the smaller pool of opponents.

That is CW made by PGI and that's why CW will be delayed for forever because once they release that most of you disillusioned golds will finally stop buying MC.

Edited by Hoax415, 20 August 2014 - 10:24 AM.

[xhrit]

Hoax415, on 20 August 2014 - 09:06 AM, said:

The best they could possibly do is create a scoring system that ties to a colored java map.

Scaleform map. Not java.

VanillaG, on 15 August 2014 - 08:37 AM, said:

As far as implementation, when you purchase a mech you get 2 copies, one for your Solaris mechlab and another for your CW mechlab. You can share modules, cockpit items, patterns, and colors between the mechlabs so once you purchase one of those you can use it in either mechlab but once a module or cockpit item is put into a mech it is removed from the shared inventory. XP gained in either Solaris or CW still goes back the variant so no changes in the skills would be necessary.

...and the CW mechlab has permadeath, right?

Oh and I just had to buy some MC last weekend. Sorry haters.

Edited by xhrit, 20 August 2014 - 09:36 AM.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Hoax415, on 20 August 2014 - 09:06 AM, said:

CW can't even happen. We have 9 maps (you can't use HPG in CW unless you just don't care at all about lore).

So we have the map problem. Which even the most insane gold must now accept is a real thing.

CW will need a much more complex and robust match making system or else what's the point and who here thinks PGI can handle that?

We don't have in-game voice and we MAY have in-game units after 2 years and you can't even create a unit in-game you have to post on the forums that you want to make a unit.

Face it. There is 0% chance they are pulling off any kind of functioning CW and because so many golds will cling to hope and spend MC as long as there is hope you all incentivize PGI not releasing CW at all. Because then people can keep telling themselves it will be amazing and keep buying MC.

If they released what they have for CW right now nobody would be happy. They know it so they just keep putting off dealing with it because PGI doesn't have the talent or the brains to figure out how to make a CW faction resource system and better match making work.

The best they could possibly do is create a scoring system that ties to a colored java map. That's the absolute very best any of us should be pretending PGI can pull off a this time. Exact same gamemodes, exact same MM, exact same everything. Just you declare which planet you want to fight on for which faction and you wait in a longer queue and probably get less balanced games because of the smaller pool of opponents.

That is CW made by PGI and that's why CW will be delayed for forever because once they release that most of you disillusion golds will finally stop buying MC.

Honestly this is very likely what we are going to get. In fact I have been predicting this for a long time.

The only way we get more out of CW is if it is being developed as a separate module completely divorced from what we have currently. Basically it would be what we have now as "Arcade" or "Solaris IV" mode and then CW as an entire different game because you are right, with the current resources and limited map selections, there just can't be any depth to CW.

[Sarlic]

meteorol, on 20 August 2014 - 05:46 AM, said:

I guess the amount of people grieving over your departure will be somewhat... limited.

Mods, i think it's time to close this one.

I will browse the forums at a time. But this game just have been proven its broken on all levels. Apart from failing leaddesign. Previous patch was already horrid, look at the current state now? It's unplayable. Desync, FPS drops, old bugs turned up again, netcode problems and more.

With each patch injection they manage to break even more. Final straw was another cash grabbing patch with just a few MINOR fixes while we have MAJOR problems.

Then i just unistall this game since it has no use. They have proven to repeat this cycle all over again. Untill they break this cycle i might install again.

Enjoy your loyalty points, PGI fanboy.

Hoax415, on 20 August 2014 - 09:06 AM, said:

CW can't even happen. We have 9 maps (you can't use HPG in CW unless you just don't care at all about lore).

So we have the map problem. Which even the most insane gold must now accept is a real thing.

CW will need a much more complex and robust match making system or else what's the point and who here thinks PGI can handle that?

We don't have in-game voice and we MAY have in-game units after 2 years and you can't even create a unit in-game you have to post on the forums that you want to make a unit.

Face it. There is 0% chance they are pulling off any kind of functioning CW and because so many golds will cling to hope and spend MC as long as there is hope you all incentivize PGI not releasing CW at all. Because then people can keep telling themselves it will be amazing and keep buying MC.

If they released what they have for CW right now nobody would be happy. They know it so they just keep putting off dealing with it because PGI doesn't have the talent or the brains to figure out how to make a CW faction resource system and better match making work.

The best they could possibly do is create a scoring system that ties to a colored java map. That's the absolute very best any of us should be pretending PGI can pull off a this time. Exact same gamemodes, exact same MM, exact same everything. Just you declare which planet you want to fight on for which faction and you wait in a longer queue and probably get less balanced games because of the smaller pool of opponents.

That is CW made by PGI and that's why CW will be delayed for forever because once they release that most of you disillusion golds will finally stop buying MC.

Well said.

Edited by Sarlic, 20 August 2014 - 09:41 AM.

[Zyllos]

Hoax415, on 20 August 2014 - 09:06 AM, said:

CW can't even happen. We have 9 maps (you can't use HPG in CW unless you just don't care at all about lore).

So we have the map problem. Which even the most insane gold must now accept is a real thing.

CW will need a much more complex and robust match making system or else what's the point and who here thinks PGI can handle that?

We don't have in-game voice and we MAY have in-game units after 2 years and you can't even create a unit in-game you have to post on the forums that you want to make a unit.

Face it. There is 0% chance they are pulling off any kind of functioning CW and because so many golds will cling to hope and spend MC as long as there is hope you all incentivize PGI not releasing CW at all. Because then people can keep telling themselves it will be amazing and keep buying MC.

If they released what they have for CW right now nobody would be happy. They know it so they just keep putting off dealing with it because PGI doesn't have the talent or the brains to figure out how to make a CW faction resource system and better match making work.

The best they could possibly do is create a scoring system that ties to a colored java map. That's the absolute very best any of us should be pretending PGI can pull off a this time. Exact same gamemodes, exact same MM, exact same everything. Just you declare which planet you want to fight on for which faction and you wait in a longer queue and probably get less balanced games because of the smaller pool of opponents.

That is CW made by PGI and that's why CW will be delayed for forever because once they release that most of you disillusion golds will finally stop buying MC.

I have not bought MC for a while (almost 11 months ago) but I still hope.

But, your prediction *might* be true. But, I still hold out...

[verybad]

orcrist86, on 15 August 2014 - 07:34 AM, said:

It's nice that you have an opinion. Good for you.

Lets just say that given the two+ years it's taken to get the first module of CW into the game, the pragmatic bet would be on Vassage Rain's consideration, User built maps and game modes would be great, but the likelihood of them actually happening is...very low.

[Sprouticus]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 August 2014 - 09:40 AM, said:

Again... Thats your opinion, you are entitled to it.

Just seems being here, you are making yourself more ppissed and miserable, which seems a helluva way to spend your time.

And do you have ANY idea how much a AAA game budget runs? PGI has made SQUAT in comparison.


those are the realities certain folks always want to conveniently ignore.

this is something I have never understood. People who wont play, but continue to complain on the boards. I get that BT/MW is dear to people's hearts, but these same people refuse to admit that the IP would be dead without PGI.

I am not a fan of a lot of PGI's decisions. I have really strong feelings about how it should have been done. If I ever get to the point where I am actually angry and frustrated to the point where I don't want to play, I would just stop. Perhaps I would check in to see if whatever is frustrating me was fixed, but that would be it.

Complaint/Doom and Gloom thread serve no purpose except to create a pool of misery that bitter pseudo-ex-players can wallow in and reaffirm their own feelings. It is an echo chamber of the worst kind.

[Sarlic]

Not pissed at all. Meaning browsing does not mean that i will spit fire. Or post more. I just get on a hold. You must be incrediable naïeve when you ignore complaints which excist for years.

I am being realistic. Too many people wearing pink glasses.

Edited by Sarlic, 20 August 2014 - 10:36 AM.

[Hoax415]

Zyllos, on 20 August 2014 - 09:42 AM, said:

I have not bought MC for a while (almost 11 months ago) but I still hope.

But, your prediction *might* be true. But, I still hold out...

If people stop buying MC and at every opportunity make it clear that they aren't buying more until we have true progress and updates on CW. Something will happen.

But as long as PGI can make vague promises and deliver nothing of substance and the MC continues to roll in its in their best interest to let people pretend that CW is going to be a magical super patch cure-all of new game systems that feels like playing a completely new game.

We are all guilty of imagining what our own perfect CW could be like. We should all be cognizant of the fact that no developer not even the best can make a complex multiplayer system perfectly in one go.

But we should never forget PGI's long history of lies, false promises, take backs, feature removal and feature abandonment. If you are waiting for CW you need to make it clear with your wallet that CW is required for them to get more money from you. Otherwise this will continue into 2015 to protect PGI from the fallout of whatever half-baked disappointment they can produce that will never match 2 years of MWO plus years of BTech dreams of playing out the Successor Wars and Clan Invasions.

Edited by Hoax415, 20 August 2014 - 10:42 AM.