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[Magna Canus]

We have all been in the frustrating situation where your team melts like ice cream on a hot day and 1 or 2 survivors are left. Usually these are fast mechs; lights and mediums. The frustrated dead get impatient and tell the living to "stop wasting their time" or even worse, commit team treason and start reporting their position.

These mechs have a number of choices; rush into the enemy and die, hide and shut down, commit sepuku, or try to make the best out of it and try to nija the enemy.

Rushing the enemy to die may "save time", mere minutes at best. Those that got [redacted] may feel satisfied that their comrade died just as easily as they did and soothe their fragile egos.

Hiding and shutting down is usually frowned upon by the dead, but the living are just as frustrated by the fact that their team died like lemmings in a mixer. I sympathise with the frustrated dead when the survivor did little or nothing to help in battle, but I sympathise with the frustrated living when they did their best and things went south anyways.

Commiting sepuku "saves time" as well, but is also frowned upon by some vocal dead (Honor, bla bla bla...). Those that usually do that do with their middle fingers raised as their last act denies the enemy a kill to padd their stats.

Finally, the little ninjas that hide and fight and try to take as many down with them are the real heroes of the story. At least as far as I see it. Some times they secure a win, sometimes not, but I think we can all agree that they are fighting to the best of their abilities without "giving up".

The term "don't waste my time" goes both ways. It works just as well for the person that waited for the game to load and ended up having to wait for the enemy to find the last hiding mech as it does for the guy that ended up with a bowling pin team that melted in seconds.

So if that last guy is fighting and does more damage than you did, got more kills, etc. then sit down, shut up, and learn.

Edited by Egomane, 26 August 2014 - 06:40 AM.
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[Mechteric]

All that needs said is "Press Escape, and look for the shiny blue QUIT MATCH button."

Then follow up with "Have fun screwing up your next drop."

[Lil Cthulhu]

Way back in CB I was the last man standing on my team once, took down the remaining five mechs for the win.

Remember when boom cats were feared?

Also won a 2v6 back when the UAC/5 was the nastiest thing ever.

Edited by Lil Cthulhu, 26 August 2014 - 06:12 AM.

[Artgathan]

The only time I get frustrated is when the "last man standing" is actively avoiding combat (to pad their KDR), or is in a gutted mech (with no weapons left) that is hiding.

[Pyrrho]

I try to be as entertaining as possible when I am the last 'mech standing. I get cursed as often as commended, sometimes with a "Good show" thrown in.

[Ph30nix]

ive had a few times where i was the last person standing and ended up winning, biggest odds i beat were 6 vs 1 in my Treb on alpine.

2 ERPPC + JJ bouncing around the hills like i was tigger on crack (note i never sat still i was going 100% entire time)
was the most epic game i have ever played since a few of them were fresh.
thankfully i was fasted mech out there and their long range weapons were limited.

my opinion as long as they are trying to fight leave them be, you died suck it up and go play another mech for a few minutes, get a drink, or take a bathroom break.

ive seen some amazing things pulled off so getting pissy at people for playing the game is just pathetic.

[FDJustin]

Normally I'll just fight to the death. Doesn't matter to me. Today is the only time I didn't do that, in a 1 v 1 (we had a disconnect standing in the middle of the map) and that was just to secure a *win to help those on my team that are grinding the last of their 50 wins. I just apologized to the enemy timberwolf, moved into a position where I could defend the disconnect if necessary and waited out the last two and a half minutes on the clock.

Edited by FDJustin, 26 August 2014 - 06:28 AM.

[Lily from animove]

The issue is no "retreat" possibility. Some poeple want to play for their stats, and so they try to avoid dying wthin the match time. It would make sense to have a retreat or surrender button after you haven't been hit for a minute (hide + retreat). giving win to the opps and not a kill for the one surrending. While I do not care about stats, I know its important to other playes, and I know why they do this and I am not even mad about them, because its a valid decision wanting to survive a lost battle.

[Tsig]

You guys do realize that having your teammates give away your position is a reportable offense, right? As in, screenshot them and send in the ticket to PGI. Watch them cry harder when their account gets banned.

[Vassago Rain]

Lily from animove, on 26 August 2014 - 06:32 AM, said:

The issue is no "retreat" possibility. Some poeple want to play for their stats, and so they try to avoid dying wthin the match time. It would make sense to have a retreat or surrender button after you haven't been hit for a minute (hide + retreat). giving win to the opps and not a kill for the one surrending. While I do not care about stats, I know its important to other playes, and I know why they do this and I am not even mad about them, because its a valid decision wanting to survive a lost battle.

There was a 'retreat' option back in ye olden days.

It was called 'quit match,' and meant that deaths wouldn't count against you. They made it so deaths count even if you disconnect for a reason.

[Turist0AT]

If im last man with no hope i fight for a glorious death. Dont care about my kdr.

[Viges]

I dont mind last man standing as soon as hes active. I really hate those people that power off and dc in skirmish...

[Bigbacon]

if I'm last one standing vs more than 4, I just give in and do the death charge and/or just shut down in front of them.

4 or less I'll ninja fight if I can.

only time I'll shut down and hide is in conquest where doing so might allow the team to win by points.

the "Stat Savers" are the worst though....either avoiding the fight to waste time or shutting down. 11 vs 1 and they go hide....just go die.

Edited by Bigbacon, 26 August 2014 - 06:46 AM.

[FDJustin]

Today I took off both arms from a kitfox. Stared at it for a second, and moved on. Someone else came over and killed it, while I went off to find that ******* that was shooting LRMS at me during our whole fight.

0 weapons left? Maybe an "eject" or "surrender" button would make sense then, huh? It bothers me that there is no form of retreat or surrender. I get that you want every pilot to keep fighting so they don't throw the game, but that makes it feel like just that. A game. Not even remotely close to any sort of simulation.
I feel like we're playing a game, or at best, our 'pilots' are playing a training simulator where they're forced to face death, even when it's tactically unsound (Nothing to protect, no chance of doing significant enough damage to deny the enemy forces a chance to push on towards their objective) just for the sake of earning better aim and overcoming the fear of death.

[Rhaythe]

What is committing seppuku? Overheating?

Because if I'm about to die, the override button is the first button I push (followed immediately by every mouse button I can find). Not because I care about kill-to-death. More about because I care about you're-killing-me-so-screw-you-man!!

[Satan n stuff]

Vassago Rain, on 26 August 2014 - 06:34 AM, said:

There was a 'retreat' option back in ye olden days.

It was called 'quit match,' and meant that deaths wouldn't count against you. They made it so deaths count even if you disconnect for a reason.

I never did get an actual kill against a particular Russian forum troll, he kept disconnecting when it was clear his Gausscat had lost to my dual ER PPC K2 with standard heat sinks. Doesn't change the fact that I beat him though, I had a lot of good laughs at his expense.

Edited by Satan n stuff, 26 August 2014 - 06:53 AM.

[Chrithu]

I think it depends on the situation. I was LMS twice during the weekend. At one occasion I made two mistakes that left my kitfox without arms (and thus equipment) all armor gone and red CT barely two minutes into the match. I retreatet to base into hiding hoping that should the rest of my team fall the enemy would be damaged enough to get killed by the turrets. Sadly my team fell but the remaining three enemy mechs cut their way through our turrets so I ran out straight into them to be killed as there was no way of winning or drawing the game.

The other time I was LMS I was barely scratched again in my Kit Fox and managed to take out 4 of the 7 remaining enemies before I made the wrong decision of attacking a barely hurt raven before a Timber Wolf I knew had a open back and red CT and got killed by a Stalker that managed to sneak up on me. Which actually is a joke in itself because I was the one ninjaing the 4 kills before in my ECMed KF out of nowhere.

In conclusion: When I am LMS I try not to waste my teammate's time as I hate it myself when the last man standing prevents me from immediatly using the same mech again when I try to grind it to mastery.

Edited by Jason Parker, 26 August 2014 - 06:57 AM.

[Sprouticus]

I have no problem reporting location if the person is shut down and not doing anything. Report away


But if they are trying, I totally root for them!

[FlipOver]

I've been on both sides.

While I am the last man standing (LMS) I have a few options:
1 - Hide and survive not surrendering to the enemy (after all it is my option as it was the teams option to die in a generic stupid faction) - This option applies mostly to Assault and Conquest where there is a capture win option for the enemy. In Skirmish I usually do one of the next options (and if the enemy chases down the LMS in assault or conquest instead of capping, then THEY are the ones "responsible" for the match to take longer than it had to take
2 - Sepuko aka suicide (giving up)
3 - Kill the enemy one by one if they were spread out enough and I have enough armor to use (or if their numbers are low in total)
4 - Wait for the timer to end if there is less than 3 minutes in the game

While I am in the dead one I also have options:
1 - If the LMS is actively playing even if a sub par quality match (in my pov) I can:
a ) Observe his actions and try to help out on team chat
b ) Quit the match and start another with another 'mech (we do have 4+ trials to use... so no excuses for the ones wanting to play)

2 - If the LMS is hidding:
a ) On Conquest or Assault I just see the timer and either wait for the enemy to cap win / find him, or just leave if it is just a few minutes left
b ) On Skirmish I wait until the LMS is found/killed or just hides (even in hiding there are things we can enjoy like seeing the enemy getting past without noticing the player, or listening to the enemies 'mechs footsteps getting closer and knowing the time has come, chat with the time discussing wrong and right options on the match...) - This is also valid for Assault or Conquest

If in any case the LMS is DC there is still another situation to evaluate:
1 - If he DC at the start of the match (probably farming or without chances to rejoin after so much time passed)
a ) On Skirmish I just type in the grid/coords if there is more than 3 minutes to play
b ) On Conquest / Assault I just tell the grid/coords if the enemy is a long way to win by cap (less than 400 cap points on Conquest), has too many healthy guys on Assault (the turrets wont do enough damage to make a difference)
2 - If he DC during the match and there is a possibility he can be back
a ) On Skirmish, Assault, Conquest - will never reveal his coords - It's up to the enemy to cap or find him alone.

One thing I will never do is type in team chat "just go die" or something like that. I played the game as I saw fit and so should everyone be able to.
More often than I can remember, to those who type that sort of stuff I usually reply by "You played the game the way you know and he is doing the same."
This usually is enough for the debate to end if the other person has a brain. If the discussion keeps going, well, me and the other(s) player(s) have always the option to Quit the Match.

Respect the other players as you would like to be respected. Just because someone disrespected you, that doesn't give you the right to do the same to others.
In a hurry? Quit and Lauch another match in another 'mech (even if it is a trial and you do not own any other 'mech).
Enjoy the game and play it, don't go around spreading animosity in team chat because you screwed up and died early without contributing enough so the LMS could make a difference.

Edited by FlipOver, 26 August 2014 - 07:12 AM.

[That Dawg]

Easy to spot the millennials who think something is owed them.
A slice of society.
Yes, I did poorly and now you do the same, cause I got my shiny badges all thru school and am quite clueless as to the reality of life.
Some die quickly.

I say if you're the last man standing, enjoy the time, squeeze it out as long as possible, get as much damage as you can.
Shutting down and hiding..........well, thats a millennials saying, hey, I'm passive aggressive and now I am getting joy out of keeping you from having fun. I feed on your chat rage.

I've been the last man standing so many times, its maddening....and yes, I fight like a pitbull to the bitter end, if it takes five more minutes, so be it.
But I wont rush to my end because you're clutching your crotches, banging on the keyboard. Its life babies, wrap your mind around it.

whoooot!! I got my 50 too!! In a kitfox no less!!

The ultimate tool is a "reporter"

Put on your big boy pants and FIGHT!!