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[Oderint dum Metuant]

Roland, on 27 August 2014 - 01:57 PM, said:

"You can't be upset about this feature being two years late, because the fact it's two years late means that the original promise was made two whole years ago!"

Derp.

Tbh i think it's derp derp.

[TLBFestus]

Heffay, on 27 August 2014 - 12:05 PM, said:

It's still an old complain. The latest timeline they gave *last December* is for it to come out this year. You're complaining about old issues that no longer apply. They've pretty much hit every single deadline they've laid out this year.

You're complaining about old news. It's 2014. Time to let go of the past and accept reality.

And you are gushing praise for stuff that is not even out yet, and was supposed to be out already (multiple times), You are celebrating "timely delivery" of past promises that as a track record simply stinks. Time to let go of promises and accept the reality that their record, since inception, still sucks, regardless of some recent "success" in delivering Clan mechs (for sale) which is something they have never, ever been slow to deliver.

I'll trust in PGIs past record, maintain my skepticism, and voice it, not to annoy you and other White Knight Daydream Believers, but because I believe that holding PGI accountable for their performance in the past is probably a more likely explanation for their improvement than blowing smoke up their nether regions has ever accomplished.

[Heffay]

TLBFestus, on 27 August 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

I'll trust in PGIs past record

Then based on that, you should believe them when they say it'll be out this year. They've hit every target this year.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Heffay, on 27 August 2014 - 02:06 PM, said:

Then based on that, you should believe them when they say it'll be out this year. They've hit every target this year.

No they haven't, by your own admission one a week late......sheesh a continuation of the lateness of the past few years.

Edited by DV McKenna, 27 August 2014 - 02:10 PM.

[TLBFestus]

BLOOD WOLF, on 27 August 2014 - 12:07 PM, said:

your gonna ignore the whole year because of some 90 days estimate. Sheesh.

And you ignore over 2 years of missed "deadlines", promised features that don't materialize, pillars that vaporize, and insulting comments by the developers because they actually made a few deadlines. Even a blind man can hit a bulls-eye once in awhile.

Sheez......

[BLOOD WOLF]

That is a huge error in reasoning, if you asks me.

No man can make up for past mistakes, Depending on the situation.

Thats besides the point. once again this thread is for discussion on plans and work to be done after CW is implemented.

As far as i am concerned after next year, 2 years ago is irrelevant.

I will make a discontent and or you are wasting your time with MWO if you think it can get better thread if anybody wants me to.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 27 August 2014 - 02:56 PM.

[TLBFestus]

Well, this is going in circles and I'm getting dizzy.

We are different sides of the same coin and we will never see eye to eye. You and yours think we are clinging to the past and that the future is so bright we will have to wear shades, while we base our perceptions on past performance and set our sights suitably low because experience tells us not to get our hopes up.

I will however continue to post my POV on PGI and it's past being a better indication of it's future progress, and act as a warning to players not to expect much, while you do the same in the optomistic vein and tell them that the past is the past and best forgotten.

Oil and Water will never mix (for long), so this thread is a waste of both sides time.

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[Novakaine]

Wolfways, on 27 August 2014 - 05:00 AM, said:

I log in for my first match today and the first thing i see is the unit tag (SEX). Brilliant...

I thought players were going to be joining canon units (Clans/Houses/Merc corps/etc.) instead of just making up stuff, which always ruins games imo.

That why we can't have nice things

[Jacob Side]

Yeah the (SEX) clan was one of the first groups we ran into today.

[Sandpit]

Johnny Z, on 27 August 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

Is Star Citizen even playable. I thought it was in Alpha. I have seen no reviews of the game out yet. Although I have seen the youtubes of the hangar and space fighting. What rating would you give it as this time? And what rating do you expect the reviewers to give it at this time?

Have they gone from huge promises to actual game play? Not sure why Star Citizen peeps are trolling other games forums, or even if it is a good idea.

SC has a strong possibility that it will do everything it has set out to do, and I wish that game, like this game the best. But I will do you a favour, and remind you that the 1st rule of business is to never pay up front. No offense to anyone, just something I like to keep in mind now and then.

???
YOU are the one who brought up SC.
smh

Heffay, on 27 August 2014 - 10:35 AM, said:

You can play it, but there isn't much to it. It has a ton of potential, but right now it's just a battle to see who can turret the best.

uhm
it's got just as much gameplay as MWO

[Johnny Z]

Sandpit, on 27 August 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

???
YOU are the one who brought up SC.
smh


uhm
it's got just as much gameplay as MWO

nope

[Sandpit]

Heffay, on 27 August 2014 - 10:50 AM, said:

but the *game* of MWO is great.

except that's your opinion and not everyone agrees with you
and except

desyncs
lag
broken maps
pebbles that stop mechs cold
no collisions
borked HSR many times
complicated mechanics that aren't needed
ams shooting through buildings
invisible walls
ctd several times per gaming session
poor variety in mechs used
Elo and MM putting new players up against vets

i could keep going if you want...

[Lyoto Machida]

To all the white knights in here...this should sum up everything many of us are thinking about PGI and missed deadlines (albeit clumsily):

Heffay, on 27 August 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

The 90 day quote hasn't been accurate in a long time. The most recent one is what you should be referencing. Otherwise you're whining about stuff that is no longer valid.

It's just a dog whistle to let people know you have no patience.

I'd say he's patient enough.

As evidenced by the fact that he's waited 2 years already (and it still isn't here yet).

[Sandpit]

Lyoto Machida, on 27 August 2014 - 04:39 PM, said:

As evidenced by the fact that he's waited 2 years already (and it still isn't here yet).

that doesn't count because...
well because the PGI cheerleaders don't want it to. So it doesn't count. You're gonig to have to come up with a new argument. You need their approval before your opinion is validated

[Lyoto Machida]

Sandpit, on 27 August 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

that doesn't count because...
well because the PGI cheerleaders don't want it to. So it doesn't count. You're gonig to have to come up with a new argument. You need their approval before your opinion is validated

Give me 90 days and I'll come up with something...

[Sandpit]

Lyoto Machida, on 27 August 2014 - 04:51 PM, said:

Give me 90 days and I'll come up with something...

I'll believe it when I see it

[BLOOD WOLF]

Sandpit, on 27 August 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

I'll believe it when I see it

Below are some conservative estimates of the remaining Community Warfare features that I think we can probably beat.

Conservative Estimates:
- Association: July-Aug[/color]
- Planetary Conquest: Sept-Oct

you have said that before. Now CW is here, we see it, and yet some still dont want to believe it.

Like is said, whether you want to or not does not change what is, and thank goodness for that,

Anyone still using that 90 days statement as a shield, and not acknowledging for the sake of Ego. CW is here, accept it or not, it does not matter. It will arrive all the same.

The point was what we can expect after CW. What big project can we expect to see. One can wonder.

Once Planet assaults come I will make another thread. let's see if that tired viewpoint will still hold.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 27 August 2014 - 05:28 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

The game still needs to Build after CW. There is still a lot of work that needs to be done.

I wonder what they will hit first in approaches to development..

[Sandpit]

BLOOD WOLF, on 27 August 2014 - 05:21 PM, said:

you have said that before. Now CW is here, we see it, and yet some still dont want to believe it.

we've had this discussion 3-4 times in this very thread

CW is NOT here, unit affiliation is. It's a PIECE of CW, now CW. It's not here, accept it nor not, it makes no difference

[BLOOD WOLF]

Sandpit, on 27 August 2014 - 05:30 PM, said:

we've had this discussion 3-4 times in this very thread

CW is NOT here, unit affiliation is. It's a PIECE of CW, now CW. It's not here, accept it nor not, it makes no difference

Are you not understanding something.

" The only items really remaining from the Community Warfare pillar are two items, although pretty big one"-Russ

CW, was never one big feature to be released all at once. They said it was coming in phases.

There is module 1 and module 2. 1 and 2 make up the whole, 1 is a part and 2 is a part.

Association is CW, they are one in the same. Of course CW is made up of many parts, so there is no one object that defines CW. It is Players, Economy, and battles.

The part of CW you want are the battles, to you that is what CW is. that is fine, but that doesn't change that CW is still made up of parts.

Lets play your opinion game. If you said to me it is of my opinion that association is not a part of CW. I would ask why. Russ specially said, and Byran at Launch specifically talked about association being a feature of CW. Do i need to go further, or are you done?

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 27 August 2014 - 05:44 PM.