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[BLOOD WOLF]

TLBFestus, on 27 August 2014 - 10:41 AM, said:

You started a "PGI Love In, Everything is great because (an arguably) part of CW means we have CW" thread yet again and in that you repeat ad nauseum the same thing, and somehow you don't think what you say is annoying to those of us who don't share your naive enthusiasm?

I haven's seen anybody break your "rule set" with respect to this thread, which was essentially "No name calling", yet there you are trying to stifle legitimate criticism because it offends the cheer-leader like tone you are trying to set.

I will take my pragmatic "fool me once..." and "show me" position any day over a rose colored glasses position like yours simply because past performance supports my cautious approach. Again, PGI throws out crumbs and far too many people fall all over themselves with excitement over relatively trivial progress.

Again, we share something in common in that we both want the game to succeed. The difference is I won't delude myself that the glacial pace of development is a good thing.

I am going to take baby steps in approach to this. Feel and say anything you wish, just no personal attacks, that is all.

I just dont see how anybody can count things against the game and not count the things that did come. It is almost as if CW now is not good enough or not good enough that they cant get this game moving. Just one obtical in the way from a change in feeling. To each his own i guess.

This thread is mainly about where CW will lead us and what can we expect now that major features are getting out the way and clearing up development. I do believe CW is tieing up alot of resources in a way, and in a way it is not.

Do notmake this personal, whatever you do, do not make this personal.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 27 August 2014 - 10:49 AM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Heffay, on 27 August 2014 - 10:40 AM, said:

MWO is the exact opposite of that. The gameplay (and graphics) for MWO are spot on perfect. Everything else is gravy.

Star Citizen is working on the gravy before they start the roast.

Gameplay matters more than anything. The jury is still out on Star Citizen's gameplay. MWO nailed it.

Your expectations for MWO are low then.

Edited by DV McKenna, 27 August 2014 - 10:47 AM.

[Heffay]

DV McKenna, on 27 August 2014 - 10:47 AM, said:

Your expectations for MWO are low then.

Look at DotA or LoL. One map, primitive graphics. However they have fantastic gameplay, just like MWO. Simple to play, difficult to master. Having to make tactical and strategic choices constantly.

Nobody being honest with themselves ever complains about the graphics or gameplay. Complain all you want about communication or hitting deadlines (well, those are 2013 issues, not current), but the *game* of MWO is great. Which is why even the people who complain the most about it are still out there every night blowing each other up.

[BLOOD WOLF]

DV McKenna, on 27 August 2014 - 10:47 AM, said:

Your expectations for MWO are low then.

I think the comparison of the two games is flawed, and holding star citizen on a pedestal of golden age development is silly. Not to mention they also ran into problems, and not to mention they also had people taking the same stances as players do on these forums.

Just think about it, how many games ever have a clean development from start to finish?

MWO is at least on track and has been since January. I have good reason to believe they will finish the year on a strong note.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 27 August 2014 - 10:52 AM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Heffay, on 27 August 2014 - 10:50 AM, said:

Look at DotA or LoL. One map, primitive graphics. However they have fantastic gameplay, just like MWO. Simple to play, difficult to master. Having to make tactical and strategic choices constantly.

Nobody being honest with themselves ever complains about the graphics or gameplay. Complain all you want about communication or hitting deadlines (well, those are 2013 issues, not current), but the *game* of MWO is great. Which is why even the people who complain the most about it are still out there every night blowing each other up.

Yea, I kinda get that feel whenever I met newer players. The ones who came in 2013-2014. A couple of days ago, a clansmen who took a break and came back found the new features fascinating. Of course not everybody feels the same way. If attitudes affected development we would be stuck. You cant deny the development that has has happened and the features that have been added.

That is besides the point, that is all blown steam and views from a time gone past, I think. If you have been here through this year, you would have seen the game change with the release of features almost every month. Most of this is buildup, leading to what we have been angry, asking, wanted, needing this whole time and that is CW. Even after planetary assault I expert the development being shifted to the general improvement of the game.

I am still puzzled now that CW is here knocking at the doorstep the arguments shift and all of a sudden CW is not really anything special. This game is still going nowhere just because of other games that might be better, or that it should have been, or could have been or, some people feeling a sort of way. None of that changes what is, it doesn't change that they are still going to work on the game and Improve it.

Association is the start of CW at least. Bryan said CW is coming in three Phases and Phase 1 is association. You dont get to not count it becuase you feel as if it is not CW, like I said before it is as much CW as the other modules.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 27 August 2014 - 11:10 AM.

[Foksuh]

BLOOD WOLF, on 27 August 2014 - 10:59 AM, said:

Yea, I kinda get that feel whenever I met newer players. The ones who came in 2013-2014. A couple of days ago, a clansmen who took a break and came back found the new features fascinating. Of course not everybody feels the same way. If attitudes affected development we would be stuck. You cant deny the development that has has happened and the features that have been added.

I was away for ages. I came back to have a look again. I've played for some days now and I'm going away again for another break because the game has nothing new to offer to me right now.
It's the same old thing as it was when I gave up on it. Two new maps, I think, nice but not that impressive. Same old gameplay, no new modes or anything, never-ending weapon balance issues, with the funny clan-flavour being added in just because we didn't have enough problems with IS weapons?

Oh and the UI. Yes, truly impressed how anyone could actually put something like that out there and then leave it in that state for how many months now?

What are these new features I've missed?

And just so it's not all negative, I still think the game has potential but it'll take some incredible work to get it into an acceptable condition. I've lost my faith with the dev just as all my friends did, the ones who actually got me into this game and persuaded me to become a Founder too.
Maybe it'll take someone elses faith to keep PGI going on.. maybe that'll be the magic they need to fix it.

[Xx Albain xX]

Lets see 24 mechs on the battlefield was too many and it overpowered many things.

ESPECIALLY, LRM' which are a non skilled SUPPORT weapon making the game extremely un-fun to all except those that have boarded the garbage-band wagon.

UI 2.0 is a COMPLETE JOKE. Smurfy's little website is 1,000,000 times better then what PGI worked on for 2 YEARS.

Pgi can't admit when they are wrong or they are being muscled by stupid corporate suits to make INSANE gameplay and transaction decisions, exp LRM, $500 dollar gold mech LOL.

[TLBFestus]

BLOOD WOLF, on 27 August 2014 - 10:45 AM, said:

I just dont see how anybody can count things against the game and not count the things that did come. It is almost as if CW now is not good enough or not good enough that they cant get this game moving. Just one obtical in the way from a change in feeling. To each his own i guess.

Do not make this personal, whatever you do, do not make this personal.

I just don't see how anybody can count things for the game and not count the things that never/still didn't come. It is almost as if CW now is not good enough or not good enough that they cant get this game moving. Just one obtical in the way from a change in feeling. To each his own i guess.

Of course CW now is "not good enough" because it doesn't exist.

If you are going to sum up the game with a simple accounting of development PROS and CONS, I'm okay with that because it supports my position. PGI's goodwill "line of credit" is in the red, and until they get back in the black I'm remaining a harsh critic.

It sorta makes up for the time they gave me rose colored glasses of optimism and them proceeded to tell me about all the awesome things they were doing, while all the time they were undermining everything they sold me on.

[BLOOD WOLF]

BLOOD WOLF, on 27 August 2014 - 04:42 AM, said:

So this is going to be the follow up thread to my UI 2.0 thread and overview thread. This thread is for pure discussion and in no way is negativity going to be tolerated.

So now that association is out, what do we think of the game. Some have said that association is not CW, despite the fact that association is a critical part of CW. Basically we are not getting CW in one big package, instead we are getting pieces of it. I know many players are just all to happy to finally form Units. Which is very cool, we now can see the map of the IS. Basically some of what byran was presenting at the launch event, HE said CW is coming in phases so anybody saying that association is not CW is indeed __________(fill in the blank).

So what do you think of the game as far as what is going to be happening for the next few months.

As much as I want to hear your personal tales of what you experience in the MWO player relation department. I dont, If you dont think much is going to happen after CW gets fully released then the response should be a short one. If you dont think it will exist then why comment.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 27 August 2014 - 11:24 AM.

[Heffay]

TLBFestus, on 27 August 2014 - 11:17 AM, said:

I just don't see how anybody can count things for the game and not count the things that never/still didn't come. It is almost as if CW now is not good enough or not good enough that they cant get this game moving. Just one obtical in the way from a change in feeling. To each his own i guess.

Of course CW now is "not good enough" because it doesn't exist.

If you are going to sum up the game with a simple accounting of development PROS and CONS, I'm okay with that because it supports my position. PGI's goodwill "line of credit" is in the red, and until they get back in the black I'm remaining a harsh critic.

It sorta makes up for the time they gave me rose colored glasses of optimism and them proceeded to tell me about all the awesome things they were doing, while all the time they were undermining everything they sold me on.

CW isn't supposed to be done until the end of the year. This is just one step towards it. They've been hitting their deadlines, so saying "it's not here" is akin to complaining about the meal you ordered at a restaurant right after the server walks away.

"Sure, it's a Michelin 3 star restaurant, but I've been waiting for 0.5 seconds! The food SUCKS here!"

[BLOOD WOLF]

BLOOD WOLF, on 27 August 2014 - 04:42 AM, said:

So what do you think of the game as far as what is going to be happening for the next few months.

For those rehashing old feelings and or same old, same old statements about their stance with MWO. or the developers, Take is somewhere else. Or at least keep it on topic. IT should end with where development is going to head follwing the release of CW.


Which I think will be a good road to development.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 27 August 2014 - 11:29 AM.

[Foksuh]

Heffay, on 27 August 2014 - 11:21 AM, said:

CW isn't supposed to be done until the end of the year. This is just one step towards it. They've been hitting their deadlines, so saying "it's not here" is akin to complaining about the meal you ordered at a restaurant right after the server walks away.

"Sure, it's a Michelin 3 star restaurant, but I've been waiting for 0.5 seconds! The food SUCKS here!"

We've been waiting for couple years now.. getting hungry here.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Heffay, on 27 August 2014 - 11:21 AM, said:

CW isn't supposed to be done until the end of the year. This is just one step towards it. They've been hitting their deadlines, so saying "it's not here" is akin to complaining about the meal you ordered at a restaurant right after the server walks away.

"Sure, it's a Michelin 3 star restaurant, but I've been waiting for 0.5 seconds! The food SUCKS here!"

I do believe CW is tying them up, just as every other major release, they always seem to pool their resources in a particular area to get things done. That can be a good thing, but it can overall lead to slower development.

After CW, I have no doubt map development will be priority. Then can always halt mech production, but that will make people mad.

Foksuh, on 27 August 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

We've been waiting for couple years now.. getting hungry here.

come december, you wait no longer.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Looking back, at the begining of the year. They Took a few good months to make the UI 2.0 and that was leading up to feb. Who knows what they can do from jan-Feb, next year.



I need those three phases to be my Sig

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 27 August 2014 - 11:36 AM.

[Sarlic]

Where is my content, Funcom? After hitting level 80.

The one who recognize this knows what i am talking about.

[Dolph Hoskins]

Sarlic, on 27 August 2014 - 11:37 AM, said:

Where is my content, Funcom? After hitting level 80.

The one who recognize this knows what i am talking about.

That makes as much sense as finding enough people to fill minis on the Fury server.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Sarlic, on 27 August 2014 - 11:37 AM, said:

Where is my content, Funcom? After hitting level 80.

The one who recognize this knows what i am talking about.

Age of Conan

[BLOOD WOLF]

I dont know about the Idea of Player levels, that has me curious.

[TLBFestus]

Heffay, on 27 August 2014 - 11:21 AM, said:

CW isn't supposed to be done until the end of the year. This is just one step towards it. They've been hitting their deadlines, so saying "it's not here" is akin to complaining about the meal you ordered at a restaurant right after the server walks away.

"Sure, it's a Michelin 3 star restaurant, but I've been waiting for 0.5 seconds! The food SUCKS here!"

Except Heffay, I ordered this particular dinner 2 years ago, and was told it was on it's way (in 90 days). So naturally, to use your comparison, I see all manner of things coming out of the kitchen except my meal, which I'm pretty damned sure was ordered first, and being hungry I've become a tad bit testy.

[Heffay]

TLBFestus, on 27 August 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

Except Heffay, I ordered this particular dinner 2 years ago, and was told it was on it's way (in 90 days). So naturally, to use your comparison, I see all manner of things coming out of the kitchen except my meal, which I'm pretty damned sure was ordered first, and being hungry I've become a tad bit testy.

It's still an old complain. The latest timeline they gave *last December* is for it to come out this year. You're complaining about old issues that no longer apply. They've pretty much hit every single deadline they've laid out this year.

You're complaining about old news. It's 2014. Time to let go of the past and accept reality.