173 replies to this topic

[pulupulu]

Doesn't matter, clan will still pwn because they got better people, right?

i'm honestly surprised they are trying to nerf IS erll... I know I have been using it ALOT, but I didn't know it is under the nerf radar.

if this go live... i will have to change my nova build that I just settle into =/

I wonder if this is basing on the "tournament" result.

Edited by pulupulu, 28 August 2014 - 10:02 AM.

[Deathlike]

IS LL didn't need nerfing, but if you had to nerf it, increasing it to 1.5s cooldown is overboard. Start small and not that dramatic... except we have CLRMs getting a major cooldown buff.

[Bishop Steiner]

Bhael Fire, on 28 August 2014 - 09:21 AM, said:

Still REALLY confused why two of the least used Clan weapons got punched in the junk so hard.

cERSL and cSPL were in no need of a nerf. In fact, I was hoping they'd get a slight range increase.

novas been ****** them hard, actually Thank the usual suspect, SJR, HoL, etc and all the Compies who minmax boat everything to the point that everything gets nerfed

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Bishop Steiner, on 28 August 2014 - 10:11 AM, said:

novas been ****** them hard, actually Thank the usual suspect, SJR, HoL, etc and all the Compies who minmax boat everything to the point that everything gets nerfed

What have they got to do with anything? Because they play a different style to you?

They don't make PGI make crap balance changes. PGI do that all on their own

[Bishop Steiner]

Vassago Rain, on 28 August 2014 - 06:23 AM, said:

ERLL

• Heat reduced to 8.0 from 8.5
  
• Duration increased to 1.5 from 1.0

CERSL

• Heat increased to 3.0 from 2.0
  
• Range reduced to 150/300 from 200/400

CERML

• Heat increased to 6.0 from 5.0
  
• Range reduced to 400/800 from 450/900
  
• Duration reduced to 1.25 from 1.3

CERLL

• Damage reduced to 11.0 from 11.25
  
• Heat penalty reduced to 4.0 from 12.0
  
• Heat increased to 10 from 9
  
• Range reduced to 740/1480 from 890/1780
  
• Duration reduced to 1.6 from 2.0

CSPL

• Heat increased to 3.4 from 2.4
  
• Range reduced to 150/300 from 180/360

CMPL

• Heat increased to 6.0 from 5.5
  
• Range reduced to 330/600 from 400/800
  
• Duration reduced to 0.85 from 0.9

CLPL

• Damage reduced to 11.6 from 11.8
  
• Heat penalty increased to 4.0 from 2.8
  
• Heat increased to 9.0 from 8.0
  
• Range reduced to 525/1050 from 600/1200
  
• Duration reduced to 1.2 from 1.3

CLRM5

• Cooldown increased to 3.5 from 3.25

CLRM10

• Cooldown reduced to 3.5 from 3.75

CLRM15

• Cooldown reduced to 3.5 from 4.25

CLRM20

• Cooldown reduced to 3.5 from 4.75

CSSRM4

• Cooldown reduced to 5.0 from 5.25

CSSRM6

• Cooldown reduced to 6.0 from 7.0

http://www.reddit.co...s_currently_on/


http://www.reddit.co..._the_pts_xpost/

Have fun, boys and girls.

LRM cooldown is off, as per russ
https://twitter.com/...046833107075072

[Angel of Annihilation]

Carrie Harder, on 28 August 2014 - 09:28 AM, said:

I seriously hope they don't do this for the upcoming cooldown modules as well...

You know, this is probably what this is all about. I mean I can just see PGI nerfing everything so that we have to spend millions upon millions of C-bills just to get the same game play experience we have had for the last year or so.

[Blood Rose]

I.... But... What.....
Nononononono what we need is a reduction in IS SL and ML heat. Back to TT values.
And an increase in PPC muzzle velocity-seriously it stinks.

[DONTOR]

does the level 5 CSPL module get it to around 400M again? If so I'm quite content.

**I meant CERSL**

Edited by DONTOR, 28 August 2014 - 10:17 AM.

[Deathlike]

Bishop Steiner, on 28 August 2014 - 10:11 AM, said:

novas been ****** them hard, actually Thank the usual suspect, SJR, HoL, etc and all the Compies who minmax boat everything to the point that everything gets nerfed

Is it actually fair to blame them? There was a tourney a short while ago for Paul to get telemetry from...

TBH, noone really knows where Paul makes up his numbers... but "touchy feely" or "pie in the sky" is always a great place to start!

[Bishop Steiner]

DV McKenna, on 28 August 2014 - 10:13 AM, said:

What have they got to do with anything? Because they play a different style to you?

They don't make PGI make crap balance changes. PGI do that all on their own

and the point goes over your head.

Tournaments is where they gather data. Comp Teams minmax and run certain weapons and builds into the ground, skewing data pool, PGI nerfs.

Couldn't give two squirts about their play style. Do give one when their use of Dragonslayers and TimberTarts gets all jumpers wrecked. Yes, PGI makes the adjustments, and the Minmaxxers see how they can exploit it.

Takes two to tango.

Just like how the bloody Twolf (and some degree, the Stormcrow) is skewing data on the Clans Chassis and Weapons in general. TWolf will still be vicious with all this. Summoners, Novas, etc? Screwed.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 28 August 2014 - 10:18 AM.

[Roland]

Bishop Steiner, on 28 August 2014 - 10:11 AM, said:

novas been ****** them hard, actually Thank the usual suspect, SJR, HoL, etc and all the Compies who minmax boat everything to the point that everything gets nerfed

Don't blame players who understand the game for poor game balance.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Bishop Steiner, on 28 August 2014 - 10:16 AM, said:

and the point goes over your head.

Tournaments is where they gather data. Comp Teams minmax and run certain weapons and builds into the ground, skewing data pool, PGI nerfs.

Couldn't give two squirts about their play style. Do give one when their use of Dragonslayers and TimberTarts gets all jumpers wrecked. Yes, PGI makes the adjustments, and the Minmaxxers see how they can exploit it.

Takes two to tango.

Me thinks you should shift your blame unto those that sit here and whine about every weapon system being OP.
Not the ones who understand how to play the game clearly better than the people making it.

And lol at you thinking PGI balances based on data from tournaments.

The comp players didn't make PGI screw the summoner or Nova....PGI did that with poor changes to balance rather than thinking it through

Edited by DV McKenna, 28 August 2014 - 10:20 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Roland, on 28 August 2014 - 10:17 AM, said:

Don't blame players who understand the game for poor game balance.

exploiting the game, and playing follow the lemming for the handful of truly "understanding players" in each clan is far from "understanding the game".

Most competitive players don't understand a dang thing any better. They simply have better reflexes, and play more, in more organized units. Most just follow the meta lead others pioneered.


Lol. Freaking "l33t" arrogance at it's finest.

This notion that just because you play Hol, SJR, Aces, et al, means you have some quasi-mystical degree of game knowledge is truly precious. And mostly idiotic.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 28 August 2014 - 10:22 AM.

[Keeshu]

I didn't look at everyone else's opinion just yet, but I just wanted to state mine.

I'm okay with the patch notes overall. Very interesting patch at least. It seems like they are trying to bring the clan weapons down to Inner Sphere standards with the lasers.
Though I will say, I never see people use Pulse lasers, so I don't see why they need even more nerfs, unless it's just the fact that lasers in general need nerfs. If that's true though, I'm not sure what to think, but I don't want to feel forced to bring ballistics, and well, lights are only really able to use lasers.
Small laser nerf doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

As for the LRMs, I wanna see this happen to the Inner Sphere too. There doesn't really seem to be much of a reason to bring larger launchers before, now it seems like there's more of a debate between taking the different size launchers.

[Sandpit]

What's the point of tests and feedback? PGI isn't going to listen to any of it anyways. They've already got their nerfs and buffs. The most drastic thing you'll see come from this feedback and test is maybe slight modifications to a weapon or two.

They already listened to whoever they're listening to, that's where the nerfs and buffs came from in the first place.

As far as them nerfing ranged weapons, that shouldn't surprise anyone. Russ has stated specifically that they don't want combat taking place over 600m.

Bishop Steiner, on 28 August 2014 - 10:21 AM, said:

exploiting the game, and playing follow the lemming for the handful of truly "understanding players" in each clan is far from "understanding the game".

Most competitive players don't understand a dang thing any better. They simply have better reflexes, and play more, in more organized units. Most just follow the meta lead others pioneered.


Lol. Freaking "l33t" arrogance at it's finest.

This notion that just because you play Hol, SJR, Aces, et al, means you have some quasi-mystical degree of game knowledge is truly precious. And mostly idiotic.

[DAYLEET]

pulupulu, on 28 August 2014 - 10:00 AM, said:

Doesn't matter, clan will still pwn because they got better people, right?

This is what i have been told by clanners. But that was when everything clanner was "as it should", once again according to clanners.

On another note, it's good that they try to balance things out, AND that they change things that were previously balanced to something more reasonable (CERLL) because it gives us hope that they will balance things out in the end.


The CERML changes scares me, it was the very best weapon imo, which is probably why it needs to be tweak like that.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Bishop Steiner, on 28 August 2014 - 10:21 AM, said:

exploiting the game, and playing follow the lemming for the handful of truly "understanding players" in each clan is far from "understanding the game".

Most competitive players don't understand a dang thing any better. They simply have better reflexes, and play more, in more organized units. Most just follow the meta lead others pioneered.


Lol. Freaking "l33t" arrogance at it's finest.

This notion that just because you play Hol, SJR, Aces, et al, means you have some quasi-mystical degree of game knowledge is truly precious. And mostly idiotic.

Lol someones bitter.

If they didn't understand the game better, they wouldnt be doing the things that drive you and the underhive mad that PGI nerf them.
There's a reason why there is tiers of teams from good to bad (the ones who understand and can do, and the ones who don't and can't do)

[Jabilo]

Why change anything by 0.05 of a second (CERML)?

That is 50 milliseconds.

50 milliseconds is 50 thousandths of a second.

Here is an online stopwatch and I defy you to click fast enough to start it and stop it with less than 50 milliseconds on the clock.

http://www.estopwatch.net/

I do not get changing things for the sake of looking good on a spreadsheet, that will make no difference detectable by a human being. Maybe I am missing something.

Edited by Jabilo, 28 August 2014 - 10:27 AM.

[Viges]

He is waiting!

[pulupulu]

Jabilo, on 28 August 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

Why change anything by 0.05 of a second (CERML)?

That is 50 milliseconds.

50 milliseconds is 50 thousandths of a second.

Here is an online stopwatch and I defy you to click fast enough to start it and stop it with less than 50 milliseconds on the clock.

http://www.estopwatch.net/

I do not get changing things for the sake of looking good on a spreadsheet, that will make no difference detectable by a human being. Maybe I am missing something.

Too bad my mouse spring doesnt come up fast enough to reach .05 =(